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the talent deficit posted:none of the second toronto team supporters ever seem to acknowledge that gate revenue is basically insignificant to modern sports franchises. expansion is going to go to whatever markets grow their tv audience and merchandise opportunities the most. so seattle, quebec, houston, milwaukee, vegas, et cetera How much do you think TSN would pay to broadcast the Hamilton Humpers games? How much more or less do you think Spike Sports or whatever the gently caress will pay the Milwaukee mother fuckers
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Aug 27, 2014 20:15
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Yeah, I bet Wisconsin/Milwaukee would've gotten a franchise a long time ago if there weren't three pro franchises there already. The only way I could see Milwakuee getting a team is if the Bucks moved to Seattle or something, and the city was still somehow able to build a new arena.
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Aug 27, 2014 20:20
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a false posted:I know Houston is a big city and all but I just do not see it being a good hockey market Yeah, it wouldn't be instant success by any realistic measure and I'm just pissed about losing professional hockey here period, but the Aeros generally had pretty good attendance numbers, they were generally among the top 10 in attendance in the AHL IIRC. I know that doesn't mean much in the long run, but this city is attracting an enormous amount of people from the Northeast and Northwest and I can't help but think to myself, gently caress, it would have to be a stronger market than what the loving Panthers have got right? 
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Aug 27, 2014 20:39
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darkwolf220 posted:According to the SI article, the 4 team expansion/relocation is scheduled to occur in 2017. LeBlanc bought the Coyotes in 2013 and promised Glendale a 5 year out clause. Hmmm, lets do a little math here... 2013 + 5 = 2018 I did the math
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Aug 27, 2014 20:57
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, but more importantly the NHL owes him this windfall for sucking it up and buying the Coyotes and eating the losses for 5 years so they would not lose too much face. This is one big conspiracy
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darkwolf220 posted:According to the SI article, the 4 team expansion/relocation is scheduled to occur in 2017. LeBlanc bought the Coyotes in 2013 and promised Glendale a 5 year out clause. Hmmm, lets do a little math here... So what are you saying, there will only be three actual expansion teams, plus one relocation? Also I don't think you know what TL;DR means.
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Aug 27, 2014 20:59
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shyduck posted:They need four expansion teams, all in Toronto
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Aug 27, 2014 21:24
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hifi posted:2013 + 5 = 2018 Clearly, LeBlanc will break the lease and flee to the greener pastures of Toronto early. Kevyn posted:So what are you saying, there will only be three actual expansion teams, plus one relocation? Also I don't think you know what TL;DR means. No, 2 expansions and 2 relocations. Florida or New Jersey, take your pick. It's Florida
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Aug 27, 2014 21:29
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Franks Happy Place posted:To the people who keep saying MLSE would block this move: please, show your work. All this is moot anyways because Buffalo would block a team in Hamilton. Article 4.1 of the NHL constitution
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Aug 27, 2014 21:31
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techno allah posted:All this is moot anyways because Buffalo would block a team in Hamilton. Article 4.1 of the NHL constitution You also forget that Hamilton is a shithole. At least Detroit was not already a shithole when they got their franchise.
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Aug 27, 2014 21:33
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Awesome Welles posted:Yeah, it wouldn't be instant success by any realistic measure and I'm just pissed about losing professional hockey here period, but the Aeros generally had pretty good attendance numbers, they were generally among the top 10 in attendance in the AHL IIRC. I know that doesn't mean much in the long run, but this city is attracting an enormous amount of people from the Northeast and Northwest and I can't help but think to myself, gently caress, it would have to be a stronger market than what the loving Panthers have got right? everytime i visit houston like half the people i meet, upon finding out i'm from canada reply, 'me too!'. there's a jillion people who either grew up in alberta or spent significant time there in houston
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Aug 27, 2014 21:47
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Apparently i forgot about 90% of my post, explaining what that article is and all the stupid hockey by-laws i dug up and referenced. In summary it just states you can't have a team within 50 miles of another team. Here's the actual bylaw And here's an article about it the first time Balsillie tried moving a team there
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Aug 27, 2014 21:49
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Houston would do just fine with an NHL team. There are TONS of expats there and a lot of them are greedy Canadians after our precious American oil (or maybe its the other way around not sure), the city is just massive, wealthy, and totally obsessed with sports.
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Aug 27, 2014 21:50
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techno allah posted:Apparently i forgot about 90% of my post, explaining what that article is and all the stupid hockey by-laws i dug up and referenced. In summary it just states you can't have a team within 50 miles of another team. The bylaw was brought up irt Balsillie because the NHL didn't want to move Phoenix and hated him / didn't want him having a team -- it won't mean poo poo if it applies to an area/owner/franchise where the NHL actually wants a team (at best that team will just get a payoff). quote:“Yes, there are superseding league rules that apply,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in an email in response to whether or not there are by-laws that usurp the constitutional provisions that govern territorial rights. quote:"Yes, that is the League's position, and has been at least since Gary Bettman has been commissioner," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an e-mail. "The League's interpretation in this regard has been consistently applied and communicated to the board since that time." The owners and the league office are pretty much lockstep and there's no way they would go to war over this. T-Bone fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Aug 27, 2014 22:03
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a false posted:I know Houston is a big city and all but I just do not see it being a good hockey market Nobody thought San Antonio could support a basketball team at first and here we are. There's just so many people. And let's not mince words here; a lot of them are rich, white, and northern. bewbies posted:Houston would do just fine with an NHL team. There are TONS of expats there and a lot of them are greedy Canadians after our precious American oil (or maybe its the other way around not sure), the city is just massive, wealthy, and totally obsessed with sports. Montrose is like 90% ex-Pat oil industry workers from around the globe. Surely some of them will enjoy ice soccer.
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Aug 27, 2014 22:03
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You couldnt pay me to live in Hamilton but it's soooooo much nicer than Phoenix
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Aug 27, 2014 22:11
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Just curious, what network would show the games in Vegas? I can't imagine they have a major regional sports network seeing as UNLV is the only major team. Unless there's some chump cable sports network that shows UNLV/U Nevada games and fills the time with high school sports shot with one hard camera. I haven't heard anyone mention tourists buying tickets and filling up the arena if locals/hotels aren't selling out the games. If you're the sort of person that likes hockey and Vegas I could see people saying "Hey, lets fly out for the weekend from St. Louis/Carolina/Minnesota and catch the game. Although I think LA/Anahiem games will be like when Pittsburgh travels to Columbus.
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Aug 27, 2014 22:19
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The American Dream posted:Just curious, what network would show the games in Vegas? I can't imagine they have a major regional sports network seeing as UNLV is the only major team. Unless there's some chump cable sports network that shows UNLV/U Nevada games and fills the time with high school sports shot with one hard camera. Probably Fox Sports West or whatever their local Fox Sports network is.
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Aug 27, 2014 22:29
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I'm actually really curious about how much of a free agent destination Las Vegas would really be.
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Aug 27, 2014 22:38
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Laderhan posted:I'm actually really curious about how much of a free agent destination Las Vegas would really be. I hear it's a place to visit for a weekend and maybe definitely not to live.
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Aug 27, 2014 22:49
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Laderhan posted:I'm actually really curious about how much of a free agent destination Las Vegas would really be. It kinda depends on what your looking for. There are lots of legitimately world class restaurants and bars where rich young guys would really enjoy themselves. so, it might be pretty appealing to those types. for the older guys who are married and have families it would probably look pretty gross
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Aug 27, 2014 23:02
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techno allah posted:Apparently i forgot about 90% of my post, explaining what that article is and all the stupid hockey by-laws i dug up and referenced. In summary it just states you can't have a team within 50 miles of another team. Devils, Rangers, and Isles are all closer than that, and the Islanders are moving even closer. They'll all be within 15 miles. Just funny, is all.
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Aug 27, 2014 23:13
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bewbies posted:It kinda depends on what your looking for. There are lots of legitimately world class restaurants and bars where rich young guys would really enjoy themselves. so, it might be pretty appealing to those types. for the older guys who are married and have families it would probably look pretty gross The suburban areas are just as upscale and suburban-y as they are around any other major city.
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Aug 27, 2014 23:22
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so basically las vegas' advantage is kitsch architecture and vice
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Aug 27, 2014 23:24
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if there was a theoretical expansion and then an expansion draft, who would you protect? the expansion draft rules they used in the 90s are probably pretty much the same as they would use now: 1 goalie, 5 defensemen, 9 forwards or 2 goalies, 3 defensemen, 7 forwards For teams protecting two goalies: Each goalie left unprotected must have played in 10 games in the last season or 25 games over the last two seasons combined ("games" being where they played at least 31 minutes). No restrictions for teams protecting one goalie. Also at least one defensemen and two forwards left unprotected had to meet similar requirements (40 games last season or 70 games over the last two seasons). Pros with two years of experience or less were exempt for all of the drafts but the Wild/Jackets one
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Aug 27, 2014 23:39
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An expansion draft seems a lot harder to do in a Salary Cap league because if you take somebody's best bargain it hurts a team a whole lot more than just the roster spot, if there's no way they can get a free agent of quality the next season at that price. I bet a lot of owners would want a lot more compensation for that.
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Aug 27, 2014 23:50
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henrik zetterberg pavel datsyuk gustav nyquist dan dekeyser?? rest i dont give a poo poo about.
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Aug 27, 2014 23:51
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Gio posted:henrik zetterberg You forgot "double first rounder" kyle Quincey.
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Aug 27, 2014 23:57
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fits posted:if there was a theoretical expansion and then an expansion draft, who would you protect? Nashville would probably lose one of their kajillion 3rd line centers: Goalie: Rinne expose: Hutton Forwards: Fisher Smith Neal Jarnkrok Wilson Nystrom Cullen Gaustad Forsberg if they need to protect tweener prospects, otherwise Jokinen expose: Bourque, Clune, Roy, Ribiero, Stalberg Defense: Weber Josi Ellis Jones Ekholm expose: Volchenkov, Bartley
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Aug 28, 2014 00:40
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Filboid Studge posted:Vegas couldn't support an ECHL team. The Wranglers are actually coming back next season with a new arena downtown. With Zappos having put their headquarters there and gentrification spreading around that area, I wouldn't be surprised if they do much better than they did at the Orleans.
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Aug 28, 2014 00:44
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If this furthers the cause to get Seattle a NHL team, then I'm all for it. It would potentially help with getting expansion to get Seattle an NBA team back, too. I think we'd be doing the city a disservice if we call the team anything other than the "Seattle Freeze." Vegas makes little to no sense though, considering there hasn't been a major league team that's made it there, and the locals aren't exactly high rollers since it's all a service industry there. My understanding is desert areas lack interest in an ice-related sports too.
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Aug 28, 2014 00:47
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seiferguy posted:If this furthers the cause to get Seattle a NHL team, then I'm all for it. It would potentially help with getting expansion to get Seattle an NBA team back, too. I think we'd be doing the city a disservice if we call the team anything other than the "Seattle Freeze." Seattle Totem...if not for it being offensive to native americans would be a bitching name/color/logo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Totems_(junior_hockey) It's a junior league team fwiw.
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Aug 28, 2014 00:51
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joboo002 posted:The Wranglers are actually coming back next season with a new arena downtown. With Zappos having put their headquarters there and gentrification spreading around that area, I wouldn't be surprised if they do much better than they did at the Orleans. Oh, that's cool. Getting nostalgia from the Houston Aeros chat, them vs Milwaukee in I think 2002 was the first North American hockey game I saw in the flesh, as a Euro-fan.
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Aug 28, 2014 01:01
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seiferguy posted:I think we'd be doing the city a disservice if we call the team anything other than the "Seattle Freeze." Seriously though, if I see "Seattle Sockeyes" in the comments section of seattletimes/pi again I may throw up on my keyboard. Fraisers joke aside: there are people up here that seriously want to name it all manner of hokey/stupid/silly/beer league/ECHL-esque names. Any of the old school Totems franchise's names would work for me at this point after seeing the majority of the stupid poo poo people have come up with.
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Aug 28, 2014 01:02
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Lumius posted:You forgot "double first rounder" kyle Quincey. i hope the expansion draft allows you to force a player on another team
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Aug 28, 2014 01:13
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Laderhan posted:Yeah, I bet Wisconsin/Milwaukee would've gotten a franchise a long time ago if there weren't three pro franchises there already. The only way I could see Milwakuee getting a team is if the Bucks moved to Seattle or something, and the city was still somehow able to build a new arena. Lloyd Pettit was really close to bringing an NHL team to Milwaukee in the late 80's/early 90's. The then brand new Bradley Center was primarily designed to be a hockey arena, the Admirals were drawing close to 10,000 people per game in the loving IHL, and the city was in relatively good shape economically then. Unfortunately, Bill Wirtz was the head of the expansion committee and more than likely demanded an exorbitant expansion fee. Lloyd dropped his bid and looked to buy an existing franchise to move here, but it all fizzled out. Basically, gently caress Bill Wirtz. Infidel Castro fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Aug 28, 2014 01:15
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I think Las Vegas getting a team would be Atlanta all over again, again. Again. How many teams has it taken to figure out that Atlanta hockey is best played in Canada? I do believe that the best reason to expand to Las Vegas is to give Quebec a chance to get another team called the Nordiques... but this time, without the Pong-style logo.
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Aug 28, 2014 01:37
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tarlibone posted:I think Las Vegas getting a team would be Atlanta all over again, again. Again. How many teams has it taken to figure out that Atlanta hockey is best played in Canada? Why does Vegas have anything to do with Atlanta in your mind?
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Aug 28, 2014 01:41
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tarlibone posted:I think Las Vegas getting a team would be Atlanta all over again, again. Again. How many teams has it taken to figure out that Atlanta hockey is best played in Canada? Look at how wrong you are. My god. Reading that was a personal low point, and I post in the Playoff GDTs
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the nordiques had one of the best logos in the nhl and if you think otherwise you can get out
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