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R. Mute posted:how can you tell when somebody is trolling and when somebody isn't? Don't troll me bro.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:10
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R. Mute posted:how can you tell when somebody is trolling and when somebody isn't? Great question. When someone states openly multiple times that their responses in a given thread are a conscious attempt to troll others by pretending to believe things they don't and take positions they don't have, that's usually a decent clue. This is often buttressed by said person being actually probated for announcing this, which actually happened last month. So thanks for helping me articulate why this shouldn't even be a topic for discussion! Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Aug 28, 2014 |
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Aug 28, 2014 21:12
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Unzip and Attack posted:Great question. When someone states openly multiple times that their responses in a given thread are a conscious attempt to troll others by pretending to believe things they don't and take positions they don't have, that's usually a decent clue. This is often buttressed by said person being actually probated for announcing this, which actually happened last month. So thanks for helping me articulate why this shouldn't even be a topic for discussion!
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Aug 28, 2014 21:16
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Yeah I mean how can you know if someone is a racist if they don't begin every sentence with "I am a racist"? I mean how can you be sure???
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Aug 28, 2014 21:27
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yeah I mean how can you know if someone is a racist if they don't begin every sentence with "I am a racist"? I mean how can you be sure??? Can you quote your replies to R. Mute to another thread? I'm trying to read responses to Amergin and you responding to Mute's trolling and derailing the thread is really annoying.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:30
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This is a thread specifically created for troll responses so your false equivalence is a big swing and a miss.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:32
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yeah I mean how can you know if someone is a racist if they don't begin every sentence with "I am a racist"? I mean how can you be sure??? Unzip and Attack posted:This is a thread specifically created for troll responses so your false equivalence is a big swing and a miss.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:34
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Unzip and Attack posted:Hey, please answer my question as to why Amergin's trolling, which got him probated in July, is now not against the rules? Be specific, thanks. You know what's funny? I actually checked the rules out (because this is d&d and all) and trolling appears no where in them! There is a lovely post rule here in D&D which allows mods and admins to decide when to probate/ban for bad posting. But thats for them and not you to decide!
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Aug 28, 2014 21:35
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OP there's a QCS forum how about you make this thread there, maybe you'll get the positive feedback you're looking for..
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Aug 28, 2014 21:36
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Raskolnikov38 posted:You know what's funny? I actually checked the rules out (because this is d&d and all) and trolling appears no where in them! There is a lovely post rule here in D&D which allows mods and admins to decide when to probate/ban for bad posting. But thats for them and not you to decide! Ah this explains why people get probated for trolling then.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:36
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So ban reasons are forum rules now? According to the leper's colony there is now a forum wide rule against prairie dog racism.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:39
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I thought the USPOL thread was a pseudo chat thread anyway. The last times I was in there there was a ton of posts about violent revenge fantasies and excessive drinking, surely that's as trollish as anything the Amergin fellow has said.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:41
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Raskolnikov38 posted:So ban reasons are forum rules now? According to the leper's colony there is now a forum wide rule against prairie dog racism. Yes, trolling and prairie dog racism are comparable in terms of how they affect posting quality. You guys are really having to stretch here and it's hilarious.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:41
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Unzip and Attack posted:Great question. When someone states openly multiple times that their responses in a given thread are a conscious attempt to troll others by pretending to believe things they don't and take positions they don't have, that's usually a decent clue. This is often buttressed by said person being actually probated for announcing this, which actually happened last month. So thanks for helping me articulate why this shouldn't even be a topic for discussion! Not to be pendantic, but doesn't formal debating explicitly involve being assigned positions on issues randomly, often forcing you to argue for positions that are in direct opposition to your own personal beliefs? Really seems as though it's just keeping the Debate in Debate and Discussion.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:41
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Posts up! Don't Troll!
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Aug 28, 2014 21:42
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tbp posted:I thought the USPOL thread was a pseudo chat thread anyway. The last times I was in there there was a ton of posts about violent revenge fantasies and excessive drinking, surely that's as trollish as anything the Amergin fellow has said.  it is and the idea that its anything else is a liberal lie
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Aug 28, 2014 21:42
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yes, trolling and prairie dog racism are comparable in terms of how they affect posting quality. You guys are really having to stretch here and it's hilarious. It actually Isn't.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:42
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yes, trolling and prairie dog racism are comparable in terms of how they affect posting quality. You guys are really having to stretch here and it's hilarious. nah it's more like the rules are actually written out and you can't arbitrarily add to them just because you don't like someone's posting
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Aug 28, 2014 21:43
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tbp posted:I thought the USPOL thread was a pseudo chat thread anyway. The last times I was in there there was a ton of posts about violent revenge fantasies and excessive drinking, surely that's as trollish as anything the Amergin fellow has said. No, saying you like a certain mixed drink, while off-topic, is not "as trollish" as someone who says Michael Brown deserved to be shot because he robbed a store, even though they don't believe that, in order to see "what pushes their buttons" to quote this person. Not even close.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:45
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If you go on about how it is trolling and how others should not listen to them and continue to put a lot more effort into it than they have put into it, you have been successfully trolled, the pants have been trolled the heck off of you. The terrorists have won, except it's forums terror and you are the sad crying american liberal talking to foreigners about 9/11 like it's the only bad thing that's ever happened to anyone ever.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:48
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Unzip and Attack posted:No, saying you like a certain mixed drink, while off-topic, is not "as trollish" as someone who says Michael Brown deserved to be shot because he robbed a store, even though they don't believe that, in order to see "what pushes their buttons" to quote this person. Not even close.
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Aug 28, 2014 21:51
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it is impossible to not like mojitos so that wouldnt work
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Aug 28, 2014 21:54
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maybe i'm double-trolling e: guy that really hates trolls, how do you feel about double-trolling?
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Aug 28, 2014 21:55
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R. Mute posted:what if i post that i like mojitos while in reality i'm not all that fond of them? I don't think anyone would really be surprised to hear you sold out for the mojito lobby, whore of babylon
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Aug 28, 2014 21:56
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The USPol thread is talking about news articles and this thread is full of terrible arguments. It's too early to declare victory, but so far this thread is everything I hoped it would be. Keep it up, guys!  We can do it!
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Aug 28, 2014 22:09
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drat you've trolled us into trolling this thread to death i am slain
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Aug 28, 2014 22:15
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If I were a mod and cared about this I'd declare posting about posting in this subforum a 1 month probation offense and if there's an actually serious problem to take it to QCS. e: that is, posting about posting in a thread that's not about that, I would keep threads like this open. 
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Aug 28, 2014 22:17
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Assume nobody is a troll, even if they admit to it. Act with no sense of irony. Feel no shame about "falling for the troll", "feeding the troll", etc. That plays into their hand. The troll does not care if they are outed as a troll. All they care about is attention, and anger. They want negative attention because they're hosed in the head. What would really gently caress with them is if we expressed sympathy for them and asked them to seek therapy.  You are not smart for determining someone is a troll. You are a moron for playing into their hand. That said, Amergin is not a troll in the traditional sense, and you all are tremendously dense for not seeing the distinction. He's a Devil's Advocate. That's pretty much exactly how he's described himself. He wants to challenge our assumptions, see how we respond to opinions we strenuously agree with. When we just scream about him being a troll, and try to shoo him into a quarantine zone, we make ourselves look like pricks. He is a true debater. Hell, dude was probably in Debate Club or something in high school. He's a mercenary trying on arguments as an intellectual exercise. This is not to praise him, or defend him as some kind of hero, but only to clarify what he actually is, for the benefit of the nattering nabobs.
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Aug 28, 2014 22:17
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shut down D&D bring back LF
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Aug 28, 2014 22:28
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bring back lf on the condition that the only thing they can do is troll d&d
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Aug 28, 2014 22:32
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Going by D&D's rules, the reportable posts are the ones by people who want all the Amergin-responders to shut up, and not Amergin himself nor people responding to him.
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Aug 28, 2014 22:34
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If you're such a baby you can't scroll past posts you don't like or aren't interested in maybe you should read a different forum OP 
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Aug 28, 2014 23:00
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Wolfsheim posted:If you're such a baby you can't scroll past posts you don't like or aren't interested in maybe you should read a different forum OP If you don't think that threads should have topics or that people should try to stick with them then maybe you shouldn't read forums.
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Aug 29, 2014 00:36
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Raskolnikov38 posted:like we had the exact same loving debate over tbp and guess what? Ignoring him and not making a big deal over his posting means he comes around less. I like tbp
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Aug 29, 2014 00:39
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seriously though, what are people's favourite mixed drinks?
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Aug 29, 2014 00:41
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Someone with lovely opinions may or may not hold them in earnest. If you want to reply to them, cool. If not, also cool. Posting is not a scarce resource. Whining about people responding to someone who has opinion shared by a significant portion of the public, in a forum that is literally devoted to arguing, is dumb. That person may be a troll, but who cares?
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Aug 29, 2014 01:00
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:shut down D&D Also this. Though mocking people for having hilariously stupid opinions is more accepted these days.
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Aug 29, 2014 01:00
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Jimbozig posted:If you don't think that threads should have topics or that people should try to stick with them then maybe you shouldn't read forums. You're not really talking about banning liquorchat or whatever though, you're talking about a guy who posts about US politics in the thread about US politics. Granted, that posting is deliberately incendiary and probably not earnest, but it's not really off-topic either.
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Aug 29, 2014 01:12
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If someone wants to be contrarian in the politics thread, it's on topic. Maybe they're for real, maybe not. Replying isn't really offtopic.
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tbp posted:I thought the USPOL thread was a pseudo chat thread anyway. The last times I was in there there was a ton of posts about violent revenge fantasies and excessive drinking, surely that's as trollish as anything the Amergin fellow has said. We actually had to make a separate thread for that because people wouldn't shut up about how depressed they are and how alcohol is the proper way to deal with it. The system works!
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