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Petr posted:Oh thank God for the name change. Now I can read this thread at work again. Fried Chicken encouraging goons not to work. Anyways when is congress back in session officially?
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Happy Labor Day, America. Here's Sarah Palin to learn ya about this special holiday where we celebrate conservative values. Yes, the phrase "union thugs" does make an appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bloRra8lcwQ
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My Imaginary GF posted:I should clarify. Smoking cigarettes is for the poors and the help. Yo, have you seen my custom rig with the eL-290z core and the XL battery?
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Joementum posted:Happy Labor Day, America. Here's Sarah Palin to learn ya about this special holiday where we celebrate conservative values. Yes, the phrase "union thugs" does make an appearance. Todd was in a union where the employees worked well with their employer; the best kind of union workers, subservient ones that know their place.
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Sep 1, 2014 00:02
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SirKibbles posted:Fried Chicken encouraging goons not to work. Anyways when is congress back in session officially? September 8. Yes, they get another goddamn week off after Labor Day  It's good no one lost their vacation time, but this friend was scared at the time she was going to have no money left before they called off the shutdown.
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radical meme posted:Todd was in a union where the employees worked well with their employer; the best kind of union workers, subservient ones that know their place. Unmentioned: Benefits of collective bargaining Absent from Stock Photos: Black People
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:September 8. Yes, they get another goddamn week off after Labor Day This makes me irrationally angry. I mean Americans can't even get a week of guaranteed time off,meanwhile these fucks get whole months. I know it's so they can do other jobs or whatever excuse they came up with but the Senate has how many millionaires?
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SirKibbles posted:This makes me irrationally angry. I mean Americans can't even get a week of guaranteed time off,meanwhile these fucks get whole months. I know it's so they can do other jobs or whatever excuse they came up with but the Senate has how many millionaires? 97% of the members of the House make more than 2 million dollars a year.
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Sep 1, 2014 00:25
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Sure, some folks who legitimately care for their jobs were upset that they couldn't do them for a few weeks. That level of morale is mostly uncommon where I am though, and the woman you were talking to was either not a federal employee or misinformed - none of them lost any vacation time or pay during the process. When the CR was eventually passed, there was a whole lot of grumbling from feds about the vacation being over while the contractors with families were relieved to finally be getting paid again. Feds also weren't getting checks during that time period, so anyone who was paycheck to paycheck was sweating bullets. People giving their employers an interest free loan of unknown duration is a bad thing in general if you're not well off. I had money saved up for that eventuality, and I wasn't exactly the happiest during the event. If you had reached the point where people had missed a paycheck or two (remember the federal government is two weeks behind in pay) I think your perception of people's reactions would have been different.
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Nonsense posted:97% of the members of the House make more than 2 million dollars a year. Source? I knew the Senate was like 2/3s millionaires but I thought the house was a little more equal.
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Sep 1, 2014 00:55
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SirKibbles posted:Source? I knew the Senate was like 2/3s millionaires but I thought the house was a little more equal. It might have been the Senate, but I remember hearing it casually said on MSNBC in a story about Congress putting off minimum wage and other measures while constantly going on recess.
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rkajdi posted:Feds also weren't getting checks during that time period, so anyone who was paycheck to paycheck was sweating bullets. People giving their employers an interest free loan of unknown duration is a bad thing in general if you're not well off. I had money saved up for that eventuality, and I wasn't exactly the happiest during the event. If you had reached the point where people had missed a paycheck or two (remember the federal government is two weeks behind in pay) I think your perception of people's reactions would have been different. Considering I was working for a contractor and didn't get any back pay at all, pardon my lack of sympathy about having to wait a bit longer for a check. You're talking about people with incredibly stable, decently paying jobs. No one is getting rich working for the government, but if a federal employee is going to be wiped out by having to wait a few extra weeks for a paycheck, they should seriously reconsider their life decisions. And that was exactly my experience with all of the federal folks I talked to during and after the shutdown - they fell into one of two camps, (a) excited about the bonus vacation they assumed they would be paid for and disappointed to be back at work when it was over or (b) upset that they were barred from doing work they considered meaningful and important.
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Joementum posted:Happy Labor Day, America. Here's Sarah Palin to learn ya about this special holiday where we celebrate conservative values. Yes, the phrase "union thugs" does make an appearance. In this video, Sarah Palin quotes (approvingly) the words and deeds of Peter McGuire - a socialist.
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Defenestration posted:
Congressman Eric Cantor, recipient of three months vacation a year, full benefits, a pension and total health care coverage lecturing us all on the virtues of labor by working on what few holidays the rest of us have. Americans bust their loving asses. gently caress that guy. Joementum posted:Happy Labor Day, America. Here's Sarah Palin to learn ya about this special holiday where we celebrate conservative values. Yes, the phrase "union thugs" does make an appearance. Not clicking this. Not today anyway. Naga Warlord posted:In this video, Sarah Palin quotes (approvingly) the words and deeds of Peter McGuire - a socialist. Still not clicking it. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Sep 1, 2014 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Considering I was working for a contractor and didn't get any back pay at all, pardon my lack of sympathy about having to wait a bit longer for a check. You're talking about people with incredibly stable, decently paying jobs. No one is getting rich working for the government, but if a federal employee is going to be wiped out by having to wait a few extra weeks for a paycheck, they should seriously reconsider their life decisions. And that was exactly my experience with all of the federal folks I talked to during and after the shutdown - they fell into one of two camps, (a) excited about the bonus vacation they assumed they would be paid for and disappointed to be back at work when it was over or (b) upset that they were barred from doing work they considered meaningful and important. "If you don't have tons of money saved up you're an idiot" is a pretty ignorant thing to say fyi
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Naga Warlord posted:In this video, Sarah Palin quotes (approvingly) the words and deeds of Peter McGuire - a socialist. We all know Sarah is secretly a socialist herself 
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Considering I was working for a contractor and didn't get any back pay at all, pardon my lack of sympathy about having to wait a bit longer for a check. You're talking about people with incredibly stable, decently paying jobs. No one is getting rich working for the government, but if a federal employee is going to be wiped out by having to wait a few extra weeks for a paycheck, they should seriously reconsider their life decisions. And that was exactly my experience with all of the federal folks I talked to during and after the shutdown - they fell into one of two camps, (a) excited about the bonus vacation they assumed they would be paid for and disappointed to be back at work when it was over or (b) upset that they were barred from doing work they considered meaningful and important. The number of even well-off people who are paycheck to paycheck is very high anymore. I don't get it either, but I work with people who make bank ($85-90K) and still can't figure out you need 8-12 month's salary saved up in case life goes south. But you see that in the private sector too, so I'm sort of surprised to see anyone make a huge deal out of this case in particular. Plus, you're assuming that piles of GS 4, 6, and 8 admin staff don't exist. Those folks don't make much, and between the 20% cut over the summer and a possible couple of weeks without pay would have them hurting the same as most middle class and lower people. I guess I just don't see the point in making GBS threads on civil servants, since we're going to be mostly gone by the end of the decade anyway.
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rkajdi posted:The number of even well-off people who are paycheck to paycheck is very high anymore. I don't get it either, but I work with people who make bank ($85-90K) and still can't figure out you need 8-12 month's salary saved up in case life goes south. But you see that in the private sector too, so I'm sort of surprised to see anyone make a huge deal out of this case in particular. Plus, you're assuming that piles of GS 4, 6, and 8 admin staff don't exist. Those folks don't make much, and between the 20% cut over the summer and a possible couple of weeks without pay would have them hurting the same as most middle class and lower people. I guess I just don't see the point in making GBS threads on civil servants, since we're going to be mostly gone by the end of the decade anyway. Most people also don't seem to realize how ridiculously expensive the DC area is, even after COLA is taken into account.
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rkajdi posted:The number of even well-off people who are paycheck to paycheck is very high anymore. I don't get it either, but I work with people who make bank ($85-90K) and still can't figure out you need 8-12 month's salary saved up in case life goes south. But you see that in the private sector too, so I'm sort of surprised to see anyone make a huge deal out of this case in particular. Plus, you're assuming that piles of GS 4, 6, and 8 admin staff don't exist. Those folks don't make much, and between the 20% cut over the summer and a possible couple of weeks without pay would have them hurting the same as most middle class and lower people. I guess I just don't see the point in making GBS threads on civil servants, since we're going to be mostly gone by the end of the decade anyway.
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hangedman1984 posted:We all know Sarah is secretly a socialist herself Why is she missing part of her eyeglass framing?
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Brannock posted:Why is she missing part of her eyeglass framing? Got drunk and passed out?
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Brannock posted:Why is she missing part of her eyeglass framing? The cool kids are doing it.
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Ravenfood posted:I get much, much better returns on my money if I aggressively pay off loans instead of saving up for emergencies. In that respect, it makes very little sense for me to not dump most of my excess cash each month into my loans. I can't imagine that many of the federal employees in question are any different. This. Getting clear of home/student/vehicle loans is a big deal.
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Brannock posted:Why is she missing part of her eyeglass framing? She's missing it on both sides, but it's harder to tell on the right side of the picture. Those kinds of frames are somewhat in style right now. My glasses don't have bottom frames.
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Sep 1, 2014 05:32
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Pong Daddy posted:The eyeglass manufacturer quit halfway through. I like this answer.
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So have we heard any more details about the alleged upcoming executive order on immigration?
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:So have we heard any more details about the alleged upcoming executive order on immigration?
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radical meme posted:Todd was in a union where the employees worked well with their employer; the best kind of union workers, subservient ones that know their place. I knew a guy who was in the electricians union and he always said he could never understand why people didn't realize that things would be better for everyone if employers and employees just worked together. Why yes he also said we needed Reagan cause America was just so depressed after the 70s and "MY" generation just can't understand what that was like.
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Pong Daddy posted:The eyeglass manufacturer quit halfway through. 
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KomradeX posted:I knew a guy who was in the electricians union and he always said he could never understand why people didn't realize that things would be better for everyone if employers and employees just worked together. Why yes he also said we needed Reagan cause America was just so depressed after the 70s and "MY" generation just can't understand what that was like. Why yes he also said the Germans needed Hitler cause Germany was just so depressed after WWI and "MY" generation just can't understand what that was like.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Considering I was working for a contractor and didn't get any back pay at all, pardon my lack of sympathy about having to wait a bit longer for a check. You're talking about people with incredibly stable, decently paying jobs. No one is getting rich working for the government, but if a federal employee is going to be wiped out by having to wait a few extra weeks for a paycheck, they should seriously reconsider their life decisions. And that was exactly my experience with all of the federal folks I talked to during and after the shutdown - they fell into one of two camps, (a) excited about the bonus vacation they assumed they would be paid for and disappointed to be back at work when it was over or (b) upset that they were barred from doing work they considered meaningful and important. CRABS IN A BUCKET!!! $1 per pound! PEE IN THE WELL FOR $5!
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Ravenfood posted:I get much, much better returns on my money if I aggressively pay off loans instead of saving up for emergencies. In that respect, it makes very little sense for me to not dump most of my excess cash each month into my loans. I can't imagine that many of the federal employees in question are any different. Good luck paying your rent with repaid student loans if you lose your job / crash your car / whatever happens and you can't work for 6+ months. Having an emergency fund of at least a few months is very very basic personal finance must-do for absolutely everyone except the desperately poor.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Considering I was working for a contractor and didn't get any back pay at all, pardon my lack of sympathy about having to wait a bit longer for a check. You're talking about people with incredibly stable, decently paying jobs. No one is getting rich working for the government, but if a federal employee is going to be wiped out by having to wait a few extra weeks for a paycheck, they should seriously reconsider their life decisions. And that was exactly my experience with all of the federal folks I talked to during and after the shutdown - they fell into one of two camps, (a) excited about the bonus vacation they assumed they would be paid for and disappointed to be back at work when it was over or (b) upset that they were barred from doing work they considered meaningful and important. Thanks to health care in this country literally everyone with less than several hundred thousand dollars in liquid assets could be living paycheck to paycheck at any time through no fault of their own, hth
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SedanChair posted:Thanks to health care in this country literally everyone with less than several hundred thousand dollars in liquid assets could be living paycheck to paycheck at any time through no fault of their own, hth My stepdad hurt his back (outside of work, because he's getting up there in the years) and his workplace ended up firing several employees less than a week later, him being one of them, and through some strange coincidence most of them were older and despite being dedicated employees for nearly a decade they were replaced by younger people who were getting paid less and less benefits  If he wasn't covered under my mother's insurance through her work (since it was better than his) there's a rather significant chance we'd have been unable to afford to get his poo poo sorted out. American healthcare system!
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SedanChair posted:Thanks to health care in this country literally everyone with less than several hundred thousand dollars in liquid assets could be living paycheck to paycheck at any time through no fault of their own, hth A lot of the responses to my post seem to ignore that we are talking about federal employees, not folks generally. They will not have extreme out of pocket healthcare costs because they have generally excellent health insurance, as well as life and ST disability insurance. The pay, while somewhat lower than most private industry comparable positions, is still consistent with meeting the needs of a middle class lifestyle even with a family. There are adjustments to the pay depending on cost of living in the area. They cannot be summarily fired without due process. Their salary increases over time based on tenure and performance. There are generous vacation and sick pay allowances. Overtime is appropriately measured and paid out. These are all of the things that most everyone in this thread, myself included, are interested in expanding to all workers. It is one thing to say that "personal responsibility" is a ridiculous expectation for a McDonald's assistant manager who works for 50 hours and gets paid for 40, might have to skip a day's pay to go to the doctor's office or care for a child, might have to pay out of pocket for healthcare, and can just plain lose their job at any given moment for no reason. But when all of those absurd risks of the semi-feudal private American employment system are out of the way, I don't think it's unreasonable to consider the decisions being made by an individual that finds themselves in a tough spot. That is not to say that they deserve to be abandoned without assistance, but it is much harder to lay the blame on the system generally in such cases.
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Maybe you know, expecting the US government to manage to pay its salaries should not be an emerency to ready up for. Despite the civil war in Syria, they have managed to pay their employees.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:A lot of the responses to my post seem to ignore that we are talking about federal employees, not folks generally. They will not have extreme out of pocket healthcare costs because they have generally excellent health insurance, as well as life and ST disability insurance. The pay, while somewhat lower than most private industry comparable positions, is still consistent with meeting the needs of a middle class lifestyle even with a family. There are adjustments to the pay depending on cost of living in the area. They cannot be summarily fired without due process. Their salary increases over time based on tenure and performance. There are generous vacation and sick pay allowances. Overtime is appropriately measured and paid out. You're still going on about this? Sorry you hate federal workers but your argument is dumb. There are a zillion reasons a federal worker doesn't have some big emergency fund stashed and you're a fool for even making this about them instead of the idiots shutting down the government in the first place.
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Berke Negri posted:It's like smoking. Sure it's fun but at the end of the day it is just a pricey habit and increases your chances dramatically of an early death. Nothing like smug goons living in cities and/or unemployed to swoop in and make everything about bicycles.
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SirKibbles posted:This makes me irrationally angry. I mean Americans can't even get a week of guaranteed time off,meanwhile these fucks get whole months. I know it's so they can do other jobs or whatever excuse they came up with but the Senate has how many millionaires? The "job" of representing the good people of the United States is almost entirely raising money. Their "time off" is literally spent running from fundraising meeting to fundraiser and back again with the odd town hall thrown in if it seems helpful.
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