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Rhesus Pieces posted:Do they not know that people can look this stuff up, or do they just not care? As far as I can tell they're just lying unless some bullshit GOP backed bill died in Congress the past week and it isn't showing on my cursory phone Google search.
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Berke Negri posted:As far as I can tell they're just lying unless some bullshit GOP backed bill died in Congress the past week and it isn't showing on my cursory phone Google search. No see, they believe it's bad business to pay women less and thus the government has no role in mandating it. We're pro equal pay! Just don't use the government to get it.
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Xibanya posted:I'm stunned. This is probably the most blatant lie I've seen from them. This isn't some off-script politician rambling when he doesn't realize the cameras are running or a lie that can be rationalized as some tortured form of the truth. Straight up falsehoods. Christ. Were you living under a rock for the past decade?
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Trabisnikof posted:No see, they believe it's bad business to pay women less and thus the government has no role in mandating it. We're pro equal pay! Just don't use the government to get it. It's never gonna happen unless the government forces it. How convenient for them.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Wait what on earth am I looking at my brain cannot process this. It makes perfect sense. Republicans are (correctly) accusing the White House of having a lower median salary for its female employees. At the same time, they are saying that they do not oppose equal pay, which is true, as a broad concept. Republicans simply oppose a government mandate to enforce equal pay standards, but agree that women should receive equal pay and that it is in the best interests of businesses to pay women equally. Therefore, any employer who, absent a law requiring it, fails to pay women equally must not be a Republican. And look, the White House both doesn't pay women equally and is run by a Democrat.
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Perhaps they mean that men should be paid less in wages so that theyre equal to a woman's average wage.  Edut: GOP working off of policy reports from the think tank Evil Monkey Paw Foundation. Berke Negri fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:Were you living under a rock for the past decade? Cute but this is egregious even by recent standards.
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ewe2 posted:So this storify just adds to the Ferguson fun: https://storify.com/DKShan/backoffice-politics-and-misdealings-in-missouri Jesus Christ. What the actual gently caress is wrong with us. Knowing how hosed things are in this country, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that this sort of thing is the norm and not an exception.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I can't believe someone used a "if you can't tell me the ordinance you can't arrest me" argument to challenge a cop. This isn't Dungeons and Dragons. There is no Protection From Law Enforcement spell that a citizen can utter that makes police have to leave you alone. Unless you have Power Word Diplomatic Immunity and its required components you don't challenge a cop like this (and I still wouldn't risk it). The whole "tell me the ordinance number" thing is a bit extreme, but it is a law that you have to be told why you're being arrested or detained if you ask the officer and you have the right to ask "what law am I breaking, Why am I being detained?, etc. Look at any piece of literature published by the ACLU, CopWatch, or other organizations which regularly try to educate people on interacting with police. Cops shouldn't be allowed to harass citizens, even though it's basically the status quo. But you already know this because you included the only difference between this dude and anyone who gets away with questioning police on the regular, which is: Evil Fluffy posted:Unless you're white Case in point: https://vine.co/v/M9XlePrPBAm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHL5My6SNZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGhIRwQPZdM http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/29/minnesota_taser_video_christopher_lollie_of_st_paul_tased_in_front_of_children.html It's not about dude breaking the law, or being unreasonable with the cop by asking for an ordinance number. They wanted to harass him and let him know that they had power over him, which they did, and if there hadn't been people around to witness the encounter, along with him taping it, he probably wouldn't have emerged from the situation unscathed.
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None of this excuses the cops going overboard but challenging a cop's authority is never a good idea.
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Evil Fluffy posted:There needs to be a federal law that prohibits "resisting arrest" being charged against anyone unless they were actually being arrested with cause. It also needs to reinforce that resist has to be physical because I'm pretty sure the COTB threads had 'verbal resisting' in some of the more blatant cases of abuse. Yeah, "resisting arrest" seems like one of those charges police can abuse the living poo poo out of since it's their word against yours. I'm pretty sure you can legitimately get charged with resisting arrest for going limp civil-disobedience style, but cops don't seem to be above charging you just for verbally objecting to being arrested. All they have to do is slap the zip-cuffs on you and if you make any sudden move or yell at the cop for restraining you for no good reason you're "resisting arrest". edit: Here's an article about police abusing the "resisting arrest" charge in Florida: http://www.ocalapost.com/officers-abusing-charge-resisting-arrest/ Xibanya posted:I'm stunned. This is probably the most blatant lie I've seen from them. This isn't some off-script politician rambling when he doesn't realize the cameras are running or a lie that can be rationalized as some tortured form of the truth. Straight up falsehoods. Christ. This isn't new at all. It reminds me of about this time in 2012 when the Romney/Ryan campaign started making poo poo up out of whole cloth about everything from Medicare and whether auto companies were moving jobs out of Detroit to how fast Ryan could run a marathon. They'll lie with abandon and absolutely not give a poo poo if they think they can get away with it.
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Berke Negri posted:Perhaps they mean that men should be paid less in wages so that theyre equal to a woman's average wage. Makes sense, because the Republican plan for job creation, hell, economics in general is basically "pay everybody less." Unless you're a job creator of course.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:They really have turned doublespeak into an art form. They're Davinci and the democrats are Jackson Pollock. Just look at that loving thing and awe in its glory. Doublespeak implies an intention to deceive, which I don't think is the case here. It's just a framing of the argument that you may, reasonably, disagree with. For example, Republicans also agree that everyone should have healthcare, they just don't think that the government should mandate or subsidize it.
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Joementum posted:Doublespeak implies an intention to deceive, which I don't think is the case here. It's just a framing of the argument that you may, reasonably, disagree with. For example, Republicans also agree that everyone should have healthcare, they just don't think that the government should mandate or subsidize it. Some republicans, and only the Right Kind of People. I think once you get to national level politics you could give a poo poo as long as AHIP is writing the checks. Even the base supports healthcare for everyone unless you're a lazy welfare queen, so that's not strictly true either.
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Shear Modulus posted:I guess they figure people on The Twitters are all progressive enough to support equal pay so they'll customize their messaging to the audience. Running anti-GOP ads on Limbaugh's show would be pissing away money. When Santorum was running for reelection and lost, Clear Channel stations in Pittsburgh played an ad about how he pretends to be tough on illegals but had Spanish info on his site (or something stupid) which had Quinn and Rose bashing the poo poo out of it constantly. On their radio program. Which Clear Channel carries (or did, if he's not still around). If those ads against Santorum worked it was because they were being run on other stations and not as ads for conservative talk radio. It probably helps that Quinn's an extreme rear end in a top hat and Rose is a batshit insane Christian, and they're much less effective speakers than Rush.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:They really have turned doublespeak into an art form. They're Davinci and the democrats are Jackson Pollock. Just look at that loving thing and awe in its glory. The White House really did hand them one, though. To make their case for equal pay legislation, the White House used the overall pay gap, not the "unequal pay for equal work" gap because the overall gap is bigger. But this opened them up to the legitimate accusation that using their own measurements, the White House doesn't pay women equally.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Running anti-GOP ads on Limbaugh's show would be pissing away money. When Santorum was running for reelection and lost, Clear Channel stations in Pittsburgh played an ad about how he pretends to be tough on illegals but had Spanish info on his site (or something stupid) which had Quinn and Rose bashing the poo poo out of it constantly. On their radio program. Which Clear Channel carries (or did, if he's not still around). I'm old enough to remember when Quinn was a harmless morning zoo guy on the big Top 40 station in Pittsburgh. Something about that job must make people snap.
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Joementum posted:Doublespeak implies an intention to deceive, which I don't think is the case here. It's just a framing of the argument that you may, reasonably, disagree with. For example, Republicans also agree that everyone should have healthcare, they just don't think that the government should mandate or subsidize it. Ainsley Hayes quickly sums up the traditional Republican position on various equal rights for women issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPLirJRGDQ
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ReindeerF posted:Yes, it's not lying or twisting anything, it's just being disingenuous. There's a problem, it shouldn't be there, but it's not our job to fix it! Being a Republican in government must be a killer gig. You spend all your time taking payoffs from lobbyists and anytime someone tells you to eat your carrots you scribble out a 500 word internally consistent, but completely irrelevant excuse for why you're not going to eat your carrots and then smirk. I don't understand how people who actively want government to be reduced just military and the judiciary and everything else being left up to private industry are not considered totally bonkers in the 21st century. edit: Forgot to mention they don't like the federal government and want politics to basically be on the state level it's like how do you plan on getting anything done. Honestly they want a confederacy when you get down to it (not the confederacy though there are some of those too)butt there's a reason we stopped that (no one paid their taxes and we had no money) SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:I can't believe someone used a "if you can't tell me the ordinance you can't arrest me" argument to challenge a cop. This isn't Dungeons and Dragons. There is no Protection From Law Enforcement spell that a citizen can utter that makes police have to leave you alone. Unless you have Power Word Diplomatic Immunity and its required components you don't challenge a cop like this (and I still wouldn't risk it). Being charged for resisting arrest without being charged for anything else is basically "you got arrested for contempt of cop."
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Evil Fluffy posted:I can't believe someone used a "if you can't tell me the ordinance you can't arrest me" argument to challenge a cop. This isn't Dungeons and Dragons. There is no Protection From Law Enforcement spell that a citizen can utter that makes police have to leave you alone. Unless you have Power Word Diplomatic Immunity and its required components you don't challenge a cop like this (and I still wouldn't risk it). The guy knew he was going down, why not point out that the cop is arresting him for no reason? He wasn't some freeman on the land who thought he had a magic spell, he was a black man who was about to get arrested and wanted to make a point.
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SirKibbles posted:I don't understand how people who actively want government to be reduced just military and the judiciary and everything else being left up to private industry are not considered totally bonkers in the 21st century. Similar motivations to the EU members, I imagine.
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Stultus Maximus posted:The White House really did hand them one, though. To make their case for equal pay legislation, the White House used the overall pay gap, not the "unequal pay for equal work" gap because the overall gap is bigger. But this opened them up to the legitimate accusation that using their own measurements, the White House doesn't pay women equally. EDIT: Off the top of my head, "The white house used the 'unequal pay for equal work' gap, which is SMALLER than the overall pay gap. They're not after actual pay equality they're just scoring political points" In that alternate universe, with the above reasoning, we'd end up with this: 
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This is fake, right? : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/02/report-missing-libyan-jetliners-raise-fears-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-11/ When I search the topic, I only get hits at Fox News and BrietBart, so I'm thinking it's bullshit.
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End of Life Guy posted:This is fake, right? : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/02/report-missing-libyan-jetliners-raise-fears-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-11/ There's been fighting at Tripoli's airport but I don't think any airplanes are unaccounted for. I read a discussion about it on airliners.net that suggested some had been repossessed by lessors.
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End of Life Guy posted:This is fake, right? : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/02/report-missing-libyan-jetliners-raise-fears-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-11/ Its real in that there can be an unknown number of planes that can be in the hands of some unknown terrorist groups, but flying planes into buildings in Northern Africa isn't really an effective form of terrorism for that area. It's absurd to bring up any 9/11 references to it.
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End of Life Guy posted:This is fake, right? : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/02/report-missing-libyan-jetliners-raise-fears-suicide-airliner-attacks-on-11/ This is just pregaming for 9/11, the right always talks about the threat of 9/11 anniversary attacks in early September.
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So we sent a few troops in to guard diplomatic places in Iraq. Less hope this doesn't implode somehow.
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SirKibbles posted:So we sent a few troops in to guard diplomatic places in Iraq. Less hope this doesn't implode somehow.  Nothing good can come of all this, but I'm not sure what the Hell else you do at this point. Our dick is so far into the mashed potatoes that every answer from a full on withdrawal to a full on occupation is going to have shitloads of blowback.
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ReindeerF posted:Did you see the Pinoy peacekeepers that had to escape in Golan the other day? I feel like if I pretend this might not implode it won't. Back the Kurds I guess like we should've done the first time even that's not a great solution it's like asking which poo poo sandwich you want to eat and loving Bush is off loving painting or something.
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SirKibbles posted:I feel like if I pretend this might not implode it won't. Back the Kurds I guess like we should've done the first time
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SirKibbles posted:I feel like if I pretend this might not implode it won't. Back the Kurds I guess like we should've done the first time You go to the table with the sandwich you have, not the sandwich you might want. Or something.
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Chantilly Say posted:You go to the table with the sandwich you have, not the sandwich you might want. Or something.
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Bhaal posted:They wouldn't miss a stride in constructing the same messaging if the white house used the other metric. My guess is they just flat out don't care if it's true or not, or what metric was used. They know that the vast majority of their base will never do any kind of fact checking on this issue. Ya, we know it's complete bullshit, but we're not their target demo. You don't have to be right or truthful, you just have to say something that sounds good to your base, and they'll believe it. If they never checked the facts or heard the rebuttals (and there's very good odds that they won't), what you just said has just become the truth to these people. You can pretty much get away with saying anything you want that your base can't immediately tell is a lie and get away with it. By the time voting comes around, all they will remember is what you originally said.
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ReindeerF posted:Yes, it's not lying or twisting anything, it's just being disingenuous. There's a problem, it shouldn't be there, but it's not our job to fix it! Being a Republican in government must be a killer gig. You spend all your time taking payoffs from lobbyists and anytime someone tells you to eat your carrots you scribble out a 500 word internally consistent, but completely irrelevant excuse for why you're not going to eat your carrots and then smirk. Ugh, I remember that clip. So she doesn't need an additional law to give her any rights because she feels that rights aren't handed down by a bunch of men and doesn't need any of their help, but seems to be fine with the 14th amendment. Um, how does she think the 14th amendment came to be?
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Fried Chicken posted:I don't know how to get the address of a vine embedded in a tweet clear of the tweet itself on my phone ap, so I'll just link the tweet itself. I thought Gutfield was supposed to be a libertarian?
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zamin posted:My guess is they just flat out don't care if it's true or not, or what metric was used. Actually I think that this could be construed a RINO behavior by Freeper/Teabagger types. They pretty expressly don't want women to get equal pay (or anything else).
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Yeah, "resisting arrest" seems like one of those charges police can abuse the living poo poo out of since it's their word against yours. I'm pretty sure you can legitimately get charged with resisting arrest for going limp civil-disobedience style, but cops don't seem to be above charging you just for verbally objecting to being arrested. All they have to do is slap the zip-cuffs on you and if you make any sudden move or yell at the cop for restraining you for no good reason you're "resisting arrest". Wow. I just watched that video and I'm incredibly disgusted. That officer's name is David Marcinik, he lied on a police report, threatened to put a bullet in the head of one citizen who was quietly sitting in a car, threatened to break the arm of an 18 year old girl, was flippant and dismissive while pointing a presumably loaded pistol at confused, scared people, and faced no repercussion except for an eventual hush hush retirement after a federal lawsuit was filed against him. Once again that's David Marcinik. If you ever run into this man please strike in the testicles until he stops breathing. When did ACAB become less of a generalization and more of a 100% true statement.
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