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Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Are they supporting some particular action, or just general "ISIS is bad and something should be done" statements?

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 05:40

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# ¿ Apr 24, 2024 06:33

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Haters Objector posted:

Isn't this the kind of poo poo we have drones for? Apart from bombing weddings and orphanages, of course.

Last I'd heard our potential involvement in Iraq III was going to be only logistical (with a likelihood of special forces), with the possibility of bombing stuff.

# ¿ Sep 1, 2014 09:35

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Lizard Combatant posted:

Yeah I can see this happening.

On one hand it'd be so sweet to see Hockey, Pyne and Abbott given the boot and demoted (dead wood, have to go), the prospect of The Bishop of Asbestos at the helm is particularly worrying considering that she's the most competent one the LNP have.

Bishop outranks Hockey and Pyne currently though.

Being positioned as the next leader doesn't mean she'll be taking over soon, especially given she's deliberately avoided most of the leadership challenges thus far.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 04:39

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Anidav posted:

I fully expect the PUP senators to be loyal LNP subjects within a year.

I dunno, Palmer's essentially funding them at the moment, and I don't know what the Coalition could offer them that he couldn't.

Gough Suppressant posted:

It took Tony Abbott almost a year, and significant concessions, to get a mining magnate to vote to decrease his own tax bill.

I don't think it says much about the negotiating skills of Abbott and co. PUP was their only chance to get the bill through, and Palmer knew it.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 07:59

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Cleretic posted:

He's got a bit part in a musical, and apparently isn't very good in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX7QMz76JPA

# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 08:22

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Yeah, I dunno what was up with Martin's article. He's usually better than that.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2014 04:40

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Troy Buswell quit rip in peaces

So many chairs will go unsniffed.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2014 13:12

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Sinodinos and Loughnane are CC'd in an email talking about how a property developer's donations were to be used. Both the developer and Sinodinos' lawyer say that it doesn't actually mean the money would be used for NSW campaigns, because that would be illegal.

Also Mike Gallacher knows in his heart that he isn't corrupt.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 05:26

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Seems like a few other people are trying to tell ICAC "No, we obviously meant to donate to the Federal Liberal party_{_{despite what the email says and the fact it's a few months before a state election}}"

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 06:18

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

It used to be pretty good, but that's 2-3 decades ago.

Even ACA had higher (still poo poo) standards earlier though.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 07:25

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

It's over a decade, and it's choosing specific forms of death. Around 140-150k people die each year in total.

ABS posted:

KEY CHARACTERISTICSThere were 2,535 deaths from intentional self-harm in 2012, resulting in a ranking as the 14th leading cause of all deaths. Three-quarters (75.0%) of people who died by suicide were male, making suicide the 10th leading cause of death for males. Deaths due to suicide occurred at a rate of 11.0 per 100,000 population in 2012.

Suicide as proportion of total deaths

While suicide accounts for a relatively small proportion (1.7%) of all deaths in Australia, it accounts for a greater proportion of deaths from all causes within specific age groups (see graph below). For example, in 2012, over a quarter of deaths of males in the 20-24, 25-29 and 30-34 year age groups were due to suicide (28.7%, 26.5% and 27.5%, respectively). Similarly for females, suicide deaths comprise a higher proportion of total deaths in younger age groups compared with older age groups (32.6% of deaths of 15-19 year olds and 25.2% of deaths of 20-24 year olds).

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 09:39

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Those terrorism deaths would have to be mostly Australians killed overseas wouldn't they? Bali bombing plus a few others?

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 12:15

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Mr Chips posted:

Would they be counted as suicides, or deaths by terrorism?

Potentially accidental deaths, if they weren't intending to be suicide bombers.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 12:21

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Alex Hawke is such a massive fuckwit that Alan Jones thinks he's a cancer on the Liberal Party.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 00:40

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

For someone that thinks "the two greatest forces for good in human history are capitalism and Christianity", he sure doesn't want to keep the sabbath day holy.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 01:03

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

I've read conflicting stuff about whether Hawke's a true believer. He was certainly associated with the crazy religious right in NSW (see David Clarke and Opus Dei), but whether it's genuine or not I don't know.

Hawke himself is basically the distilled form of a Young Liberal.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 01:15

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

quote:

PENETRATION TESTER

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 01:25

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Mills posted:

So I don't understand why it's not a more popular job with older single people. It obviously has the potential to pay quite well compared to Sydney's (?) median salary.

An absurdly niche career with average pay and a lovely work environment?

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 02:06

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Mills posted:

I'm not sure what 'average' pay is in Sydney but I seem to recall the median being 45k so it's pretty disingenuous to attempt to negatively associate the word average here.

It's about that if you include part-time workers. Median full-time is about 10k higher. Not that I was being disingenuous.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 02:16

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

T-1000 posted:

One of the big winners has been the Star casino, they're outside the lockout area. Presumably once the new casino is built it'll be exempt too.

Probably, but the policy is up for review before it's finished.

Pyrmont Bridge Hotel is just outside the lockout area too, for some reason.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 05:18

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Jesus Christ, why bring up birther poo poo about Tony Abbott.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2014 07:50

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Haters Objector posted:

I actually don't give a flying gently caress about the internal machinations of the Liberal party and neither should anyone else

It has a pretty obvious impact on policy and politics.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2014 13:08

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Haters Objector posted:

No it doesn't. It's a bunch of politicians and apparatchiks playing Fisher Price Babies First House Of Cards with no consequence to anything.

The two ballots that got Abbott the leadership of the party happened the way they did because of internal party games. The reason NSW has underperformed for the Liberals at the last two Federal elections is because the incompetent hard-right faction here has enough of a grip on the preselection (Jaymes Diaz wasn't preselected by accident). Factional stuff affects who gets key jobs, and who gets key seats, just as it does in Labor.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Sep 7, 2014

# ¿ Sep 7, 2014 13:23

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

GhostWhoVotes posted:

ReachTEL Poll

QLD State Primary Votes: LNP 41.2 (+0.2) ALP 36.0 (+1.6) PUP 9.5 (-3.1)

QLD State 2 Party Preferred: LNP 51 (-1) ALP 49 (+1)

# ¿ Sep 7, 2014 14:33

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Gough Suppressant posted:

Paul Sheehan article trip report:

quote:

History will record that the largest criminal organisation in Australia was protected by the first woman prime minister of Australia.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 03:00

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Mungo MacCallum died?

hooman posted:

This is the question the editor of the Australian asks him or herself every day.

No matter the answer however, they still end up with a lovely rag.

Noice.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 04:49

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

SKY COQ posted:

No, people reported it without actually checking. He's currently having a coffee over the road from the Byron Shire Times, iirc.

Yeah, saw people saying stuff on Twitter, wasn't sure what was happening.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 05:19

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ghost Who Votes posted:

Newspoll

Primary Votes: L/NP 39 (-1) ALP 35 (+1) GRN 14 (+3)
2 Party Preferred: L/NP 48 (-1) ALP 52 (+1)

Abbott: Approve 35 (-1) Disapprove 54 (-1)
Shorten: Approve 36 (-3) Disapprove 43 (+3)
Preferred PM: Abbott 37 (-2) Shorten 37 (-3)

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 13:31

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

EvilElmo posted:

Well, I guess we're about to go to war.

Speaking of which...

Ghost Who Votes posted:

#Newspoll Action taken in Iraq so far by Australian Govt: Support 62 Oppose 25

# ¿ Sep 8, 2014 13:47

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Barry O'Farrell is guest starring on today's episode of ICAC.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 01:30

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

You Am I posted:

BOF has told Icac that "The Big Man" isn't him, instead it is Nathan Tinkler

Some other highlights from ICAC (from Kate McClymont's twitter)

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[Developer] Brinkmeyer is saying it never occurred to him to donate directly to the Liberal Party. Despite knowing nothing about FEF, he chose it

quote:

Brinkmeyer: "Liberal party, of Australia?" "I'm not talking about any other countries sir"

quote:

Brinkmeyer: "I took my father's advice" re donating $20k to FEF." "Did your dad knowing anything about the FEF?" "I doubt it very much".

quote:

�If it the money found its way into the Greens party, you would have been content?� Brinkmeyer: �Very much so. Wait did you say content? NO!�

This was after the former State Liberal President said she didn't know who the major Liberal donors were.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 04:02

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

I don't see a problem with it.

They're very clearly trying to avoid a "no carbon tax under the government I lead" situation by leaving room to bring in a different mining tax. Rudd playing everything too close to the chest and not consulting adequately was a problem throughout his leadership, and they completely hosed up how they handled the mining industry.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 06:11

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

open24hours posted:

This kind of poo poo is exactly why everyone hates them. Just be straight up about what you're going to do instead of playing some ridiculous game like this. If you're not hiding anything you can't be exposed.

SMH posted:

[West Australian Labor MP Alannah MacTiernan] backed her leader's comments on Tuesday, but said there could be a chance in the future to reintroduce a profits based tax if it offered her home state a greater share of revenue to compensate for the "dreadful inequities" she says WA currently experiences under the GST-sharing agreement.

"We should not be panicked out of revisiting the mining tax but we've got to go back to the fundamental concept of the mining tax as envisioned by the minerals tax and the Henry tax review, which is a profits based system which replaces the royalties system and then we would need to lock in legislatively a profit-sharing arrangement with the states," she told Fairfax Media.

That's a fairly clear statement of intent to me. It's 18 months to 2 years from an election, announcing specific policy details is fairly pointless considering how much could change in that time.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 06:42

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

webmeister posted:

Unless you're John Hewson, in which case it's fatal.

There's not an Opposition Leader in the country that didn't learn from Hewson.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 06:58

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ghost Who Votes posted:

#Essential Poll

Primary Votes: L/NP 39 (-1) ALP 38 (0) GRN 10 (+1) PUP 4 (-1)
2 Party Preferred: L/NP 48 (0) ALP 52 (0)

Abbott: Approve 35 (-2) Disapprove 52 (-2)
Shorten: Approve 35 (+1) Disapprove 36 (-4)

Preferred PM: Abbott 35 (-2) Shorten 36 (0)

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 08:34

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ragingsheep posted:

Is the opposition leader's approval always that bad when you have a PM that's widely disliked or is it just a case of Shorten being poo poo?

I'm not sure about Essential's figures specifically, but Opposition Leaders can and have had much, much lower figures.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 08:46

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Kevin Bonham (in 2011) on polling when both leaders are unpopular.

Anidav posted:

- Checking his notes to see what he believes.

Rudd wanting to conduct a poll to find out what his core belief should be is one of the funniest things in Australia politics.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 09:24

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

I got the impression it was a massively conservative seat?

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 09:56

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

According to the WA Electoral Commission the closest races in Vasse in the past 25 years have been between Buswell and an ex-Liberal MP, and that ex-Liberal MP a Nat candidate.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 10:56

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# ¿ Apr 24, 2024 06:33

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

QandA posted:

Suzanne Cory - Molecular Biologist & Boyer lecturer
Peter Doherty - Nobel Prize Winning Immunologist
Brian Schmidt - Nobel Prize Winning Astrophysicist
Marita Cheng - Engineer and founder of Robogals
Ian Chubb - Australia�s Chief Scientist

Might be worth a look for a change.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 13:27

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