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Previous Jesus posted:CoL sold their Call of Duty team (the best in the world) to EG for 80k iirc. CoD probably pulls less money than League.
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wodin posted:The curse owner (Liquid112) estimated approximately 50k in seed money if you 'want to do it right.' Trigger warning - reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2faoml/ama_steve_liquid112_arhancet_owner_and_gm_for/ck7j12i For sure, but I guess the question right here is whether we can consider CA a successful team that looks like a promising long term investment. None of their players past Saint are very marketable with their current star power, for starters. But say they get in for S5 LCS, do they look like they have the talent to stay there and improve? They're currently considered to be the worst of the three challenger teams in promotion, and with reports of all-Korean teams heading towards NA, it's a risky bet. If they fall out of LCS, they're unavoidably deep in the red for the next X months, which is a difficult issue for League specifically. But raising the bar for success and looking at NA teams past coL and LMQ, EG possibly (too prideful to sell?), I doubt any of them would be for sale at 300k$, whereas more EU teams would be. Just guessing though, what do I know. e: Also worth noting is how Liquid's quote of 50k$ was for starting a new team from scratch. CA was created under different circumstances that might've required a fraction of that seed money. Ihki fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Sep 5, 2014 |
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glomkettle posted:CoD probably pulls less money than League. Oh, definitely. There's one CoD team (OpTic) where the players probably make more than League players who aren't on TSM/aren't named Doublelift/Froggen but beyond that there's a big drop off. It was just one of the few transfers in esports for which I actually know the amount of money exchanged. I agree that the coL CoD team was probably not very profitable for coL, if at all. Previous Jesus fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Sep 5, 2014 |
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Sep 5, 2014 00:04
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There's a video going around from Jan 2012 of some pro players (Hotshot, Doublelift, Dyrus, Wickd) discussing whether or not Koreans are going to be a threat. It's hilarious how wrong Doublelift's prediction is.
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Sep 5, 2014 00:25
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i have never known a dlift prediction to be correct ever
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http://clgaming.net/news/609-montecristo-steps-down-as-coach
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Sep 5, 2014 01:34
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Expected that. I hoped he could become a fulltime coach, but frankly, staying with OGN is a much smarter decision for Monte.
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Sep 5, 2014 01:43
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I am so ready for Coach Zuna.
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Sep 5, 2014 01:49
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Pretty sure everyone saw that coming. And it was clearly the right choice. CLG needs a full time coach to be in house 24/7 to deal with the team and all the issues. Especially during Bo3/5s to keep them from tilting. Hopefully they do find someone good (though I don't know who) to fill the coaching role. Also, agree with people saying CLG should keep the same roster for a while. Changing people out after each split never allows the team to fully mesh correctly. They need to get use to being a team. Hypocrisy posted:I am so ready for Coach Zuna. Who better to teach DoubleLift how to throw as Trist since she is the #1 pick these days?
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Hypocrisy posted:I am so ready for Coach Zuna. This isn't a joke btw for other people reading this post. Zuna was in the CLG house in Doublelift's stream and people are speculating that he's CLG's new coach lol.
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Hypocrisy posted:I am so ready for Coach Zuna. CoachU ZuNa
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Monathin posted:Is it that he doesn't take practice seriously or is it that he's put off by how hard Dexter tries and hounds on teammates to try? You can't just say "he doesn't take practice seriously" without there being an underlying reason, and I wouldn't be surprised if Dexter was tryharding to the point where Link hates practice because of it. It's great that Dexter wants to improve but I think if it's at the cost of team morale and attitude that needs to be looked at. Previous Jesus posted:This isn't a joke btw for other people reading this post. Zuna was in the CLG house in Doublelift's stream and people are speculating that he's CLG's new coach lol.
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Previous Jesus posted:This isn't a joke btw for other people reading this post. Zuna was in the CLG house in Doublelift's stream and people are speculating that he's CLG's new coach lol. I mean, it's not a joke. I love Zuna and am glad to see him getting back into pro play. Plus, he's the perfect lightning rod for CLG while he just hangs out with them and teaches them to be friends!
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Since teams use solo/duo queue as a large part of individual preparation for tournaments you really have to question the quality of the practice when the outcome can potentially be decided by literal children - ragequitting, going AFK for chores etc. Even as a casual player I find it hard to keep going after being matched with a terrible team who waste 20+ minutes of my time, let alone do it for 8 hours a day and expect to gain something from it. The unknown variables of the 'team' you are matched with can be frustrating enough but when even your friends/colleagues refuse to take games seriously due to the unstructured nature of the practice environment I imagine it is incredibly disheartening.
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Sep 5, 2014 03:26
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Regardless of Zuna's coaching ability, the man had a great attitude on his team and just in general. Keeping him on just so the house has a good atmosphere is probably beneficial enough. Also I think XDG kept him for so long because of his game knowledge anyway - it can't hurt to have an ex-pro (who's also close friends with CLG) as a 6th opinion.
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That's why they need sister teams, but Riot hates sister teams in LCS so they can only do so much. The lack of competition in NA hurts a lot too.
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Invalid Validation posted:That's why they need sister teams, but Riot hates sister teams in LCS so they can only do so much. The lack of competition in NA hurts a lot too. That's always puzzled me.. like the presence of sister teams in OGNs makes for such great storylines.. "Frost and Blaze practice together.. now only one can escape groups. who will it be" etc. especially with the move to 10 teams
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Korean players are talking about how good Froggen is, that's always great to see. They used to give Doublelift and Diamond a lot of respect too, but they've fallen hard. @insideKLoL: NGTV Caster JoyLuck - "KR teams that have scrimmed against Alliance are saying 'Froggen is the real deal'." I'm really excited to see Alliance play this season, they really got their poo poo together and they look like world beaters.
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Flameingblack posted:Korean players are talking about how good Froggen is, that's always great to see. They used to give Doublelift and Diamond a lot of respect too, but they've fallen hard. Froggen is one of the guys who dominated the KR soloqueue ladder the last time he was in Korea, so its no surprise he is owning. That owns
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It's impressive to me that Froggen has been so consistently good for such a long time. What other players can really match that?
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Previous Jesus posted:It's impressive to me that Froggen has been so consistently good for such a long time. What other players can really match that? dyrus maybe xspecial
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Previous Jesus posted:It's impressive to me that Froggen has been so consistently good for such a long time. What other players can really match that? I don't know about longevity but Rekkles gets a lot of Korean love too. For those of you interested in watching NA/EU superstars possibly trying hard in soloq, you can find streams showing the games pretty easily. There are also a couple of sites following their progress such as http://koreagrind.altervista.org/ . Kind of neat. It seems like everyone is pretty much stomping the mid-tier diamond queues right now which supports the claims that the Korean ladder is pretty similar to NA/EU until you get to Diamond 1 50+ lp.
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Previous Jesus posted:It's impressive to me that Froggen has been so consistently good for such a long time. What other players can really match that? Dyrus maybe? How long has Lemonation been playing? He's like 25 or something which is pretty old for a pro player.
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Previous Jesus posted:It's impressive to me that Froggen has been so consistently good for such a long time. What other players can really match that? xPeke I guess.
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I'd say the West has a few players who are definitely on the same level as some KR pros. Froggen, Rekkles, Dyrus, Bjergsen, Meteos, Balls. Wildturtle owns at soloqueue so I wonder if he is going to try to grind high on challenger and if he can. But in competitive I don't think he hs on those other guys levels.
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Previous Jesus posted:It's impressive to me that Froggen has been so consistently good for such a long time. What other players can really match that? Flame, Weixiao?
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I'm not super comfortable putting dyrus up there; he's pretty mediocre when he's mediocre but he turns on hard sometimes. balls has also been kinda unimpressive lately. My westerners that could hang in Korea list is like.. Bjerg and aphro and maybe xspecial
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Austrian mook posted:Dyrus maybe? How long has Lemonation been playing? He's like 25 or something which is pretty old for a pro player. Dyrus has been solid since Season 1 though on Epik gamer, I think he deserves it. Maybe he's had some ups and downs but he's never been bad. http://www.ongamers.com/articles/the-top-10-decisions-reginald-has-made-for-tsm/1100-2167/ Speaking of Dyrus, Thorin complimenting Reggie, a rare sight.
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Damiya posted:I'm not super comfortable putting dyrus up there; he's pretty mediocre when he's mediocre but he turns on hard sometimes. 
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Dyrus is one of two people in the world (the other being yellowstar) to have played in every single world championship is he worth big bucks because of this
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On the same note, TSM is the only team that will have competed in all worlds tournaments.
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Dyrus has been playing top lane since S1 and he's always been in the top 2 or 3 in his region. Say all you want about NA top lane talent, that is still impressive. He's one of only two players in the entire world that has been at every single Worlds event and at this rate he'll be at the next four. Even at his worst he's reliable and when Dyrus is on he's red hot. He's earned his spot as one of the best in the world. If not mechanically, then certainly based on results.
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Watch has been good, for a very long time.
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Freaksaus posted:On the same note, TSM is the only team that will have competed in all worlds tournaments. Fanatic also has, right? Or were they not in season 2?
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Sexpansion posted:Fanatic also has, right? Or were they not in season 2? They missed S2, im not sure why though.
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Freaksaus posted:They missed S2, im not sure why though. S2 WC qualification was based on a circuit point system, which fed into the regional qualifiers. The top 2 or 3 (depending on the region) from the qualifier qualified for the WC. For EU, these 3 teams were M5 (1st), SK (2nd), CLG EU (3rd). CLG EU beat Fnatic in the 3rd place match for the last spot.
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SK made the big upset by beating CLG.EU in the semis.
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How the hell did I forget that, I was even there at Gamescom when that happened.
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Damiya posted:I'm not super comfortable putting dyrus up there; he's pretty mediocre when he's mediocre but he turns on hard sometimes. I'd say Xpecial, and maybe Yellowstar although he's changed positions. Bjerg and Aphro are recent so don't have the track record Froggen does. Froggen has just always been one of the top midlaners.
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Froggen carried Wickd, Snoopeh, Yellowpete and Krepo to the finals of OGN Champions and semifinals of Worlds. Even if he slumped a bit in Season 3 he has still been the overall best western player in my opinion. Diamondprox is the only close contender off the top of my head.
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