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Inevitable posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-25844448 According to a lovely website, i'm 43% polish, 34% German, 12% Sweden, 9% Scotsman, and 2% Egyptian. So heres the thing about independence. You're gonna get into a lot of wars you don't want to be, but you have to do it. YOU HAVE TOO. Otherwise the world stage will look at you and call you lily white bitch with no balls. So yeah, be independent, expect more wars though. Also, most civil was happen between 40~60 years a democracy is formed, keep that in mind.
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if scotland goes independent they should be banned from speaking english and be forced to speak gaelic again imho not that i really care one way or another but it would be mildly amusing. ireland too for that matter
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Sep 3, 2014 00:58
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lovely little breakaway regions are like a Slash solo album. Just pointless and bad.
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Maoist Pussy posted:lovely little breakaway regions are like a Slash solo album. Just pointless and bad. The UK is already pointless and bad, this would functionally drive a stake through it's heart and make one less pointless and bad thing in the world.
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Sep 3, 2014 07:43
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people get so angry about countries  should stop this as a species imo
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Sep 3, 2014 07:52
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imo England should just rebuild Hadrian's wall and let Scotland deal with its own problems.
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Sep 3, 2014 08:03
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Boogaleeboo posted:The UK is already pointless and bad, this would functionally drive a stake through it's heart and make one less pointless and bad thing in the world. I only like really obscure nation-states. You've probably never heard of them.
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Sep 3, 2014 08:37
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 You best check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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Man_at_desk posted:
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I don't get the pound debate can't Scotland just use the euro like everyone else in Europe whose heads aren't stuck up their own butt
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Lichy posted:I don't get the pound debate can't Scotland just use the euro like everyone else in Europe whose heads aren't stuck up their own butt Watch UK throw a shitfit and veto a scottish application to join the EU out of spite.
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Sep 3, 2014 10:24
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Man_at_desk posted:
show this picture on every billboard and building you can find 100% yes vote
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Sep 3, 2014 10:36
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lilljonas posted:Watch UK throw a shitfit and veto a scottish application to join the EU out of spite. Nah, most of the EU don't want an independent Scotland so would veto membership anyway. Spain in particular, as it would set a precedent for Catalan independence. Scotland wants to rejoin NATO as well. The only thing they'd bring to the table is instability on one of the three primary NATO nuclear arsenals by trying to get rid of Faslane.
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Plucky Brit posted:Nah, most of the EU don't want an independent Scotland so would veto membership anyway. Spain in particular, as it would set a precedent for Catalan independence. also apparently there is some EU banker guy that is like 'ahahah no loving way would we let you in if you don't have either your own currency or the euro' also Scotland wants to join nato but doesn't want to have anything to do with nuclear weapons and Salmond (quite rightly) points out that the current head of NATO is from a country that is a non-nuclear nation. but he neglects to mention that Norway have both a historical background in NATO and they actually think that disarmament is a good thing to do (they're right) but they also think that it's not something that's going to happen over night and everyone needs to climb down off their ladders which means putting a norwegian in charge of nato is actually a p. fukken smart move imo. salmond also says that the last few leaders of nato have not been from nuclear nations and that's just bollocks - denmark has nukes on Greenland, the dutch have american nukes on their soil, there was an italian guy in charge of it for an hour once upon a time, the british were in charge of it and we have nukes so idgi
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so independence would make scotland poorer and it would destabilize the region. so what else does the SNP have except mel gibson-infused cultural nationalism?
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ColdReaches posted:According to a lovely website, i'm 43% polish, 34% German, 12% Sweden, 9% Scotsman, and 2% Egyptian. So heres the thing about independence. You're gonna get into a lot of wars you don't want to be, but you have to do it. YOU HAVE TOO. Otherwise the world stage will look at you and call you lily white bitch with no balls. Gonna lol if isis tries to take over because itll be a hell of a lot easier to destabilize and gain control in the coming years than any other euro nation
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I really don't understand Scottish independence. I doesn't make any sense. Are they not aware that to be an independent country you have to have an economy? Are they planning to be dependent on north sea oil? Are they planning on becoming a petro-state? And then I guess in a couple decades when it runs out they'll join back with the UK?
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Robo Reagan posted:Gonna lol if isis tries to take over because itll be a hell of a lot easier to destabilize and gain control in the coming years than any other euro nation
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I believe the general pitch is "The English are cunts and we'd rather die than be associated with them for another minute". e: Possibly literally. Mulva fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Prettz posted:I really don't understand Scottish independence. I doesn't make any sense. It's because; 1) a lot of scottish poors are xenophobic, hate the english and right wing tories, and think braveheart was a documentary 2) the scottish nationalist party gets votes from these people promising them independence and a socialist paradise with free buckfast for every single mother 3) SNP get a majority and now they have to deliver on the referendum promises they've been making for 80 years. the case for independence is shaky at best, and in all likelihood will involve scotland going bankrupt in 4-8 years time.
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Maoist Pussy posted:gently caress independence, traitors, splitters, secessionists and various other fail-nation sorts. gently caress Scotland and gently caress Ireland. Chief O'Brien would like a word with you. Maoist Pussy posted:lovely little breakaway regions are like a Slash solo album. Just pointless and bad. You are locked in a room for the next 48 hours. You have to decide between Slash's catalog of solo projects, or Chinese Democracy.... on repeat. Which do you choose? Kempo Yellow Belt fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Omi-Polari posted:so independence would make scotland poorer and it would destabilize the region. so what else does the SNP have except mel gibson-infused cultural nationalism? uhhhhhh a fairer, and more equal society with a greater sense of social justice and more days of sunshine. Prettz posted:I really don't understand Scottish independence. I doesn't make any sense. scotland does have a good economy though. like, a really healthy one! whiskey exports are p. big, oil exports are p. big, see-you-jimmy hats are a huge export market, tourism is a big deal, fisheries are a big deal and so is videojames. the weird thing is that scotland trades more with, like, yorkshire than it does with the whole of north america and adding another level of complexity and import/export tariff to that doesn't seem like a smart thing to do I guess? Like there are people that reply to that with 'there are plenty of countries in Europe and the wider world with smaller populations and less resources that are doing pretty well' and I am like 'sure, but that doesn't answer the question. I'm asking you a question but you're saying "yeah but puppies exist.".' also tourism is supported p. widely by europeans that can come to scotland without having to apply for visa's due to schengen region stuff and that disappears for a while unless scotland can get in on that like ireland and norway or whoever the gently caress else there is (iceland?). the videojames thing is mostly run by american companies so I'm not sure how much tax they pay in the UK and oil is owned by american companies so I think you'd have to buy them back also north sea oil has been over/under/cross estimated every year in terms of revenue for the last decade and a half so no one has a loving scooby how much it is worth and building an entire economy off the back of a hugely volatile product seems kind of goofy. but i guess there's whiskey, short bread and tartan crap? also there are people that think that the nhs would be better off under a scottish govt than a uk govt which it might be but i have a feeling it would become more like the welsh NHS ie. poo poo. additional factor to remember: one of the reasons the nhs is as cost effective as it is when it comes to getting drugs is that the UK has collective bargaining of like 60 million potential customers for drug companies which isn't a thing that the US had which is a big part of the reason why health care in the us is more expensive than it is in the uk and if scotland hosed off by itself that collective bargaining power would become 6 million rather than 60 million do you seriously think that a drug company is gonna be as sweet to 6 million people as it is to 60.
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Sion posted:one of the reasons the nhs is as cost effective as it is when it comes to getting drugs is that the UK has collective bargaining of like 60 million potential customers for drug companies which isn't a thing that the US had which is a big part of the reason why health care in the us is more expensive than it is in the uk and if scotland hosed off by itself that collective bargaining power would become 6 million rather than 60 million do you seriously think that a drug company is gonna be as sweet to 6 million people as it is to 60. I really like reading estimates of costs of independance, because they are making loads of assumptions that absolutely nothing fundamental will change after independence, that poo poo like tax setting up a tax collection agency, or a border agency will be insanely cheap, or negotiating a whole new healthcare service. Every corporation who can will bend scotland over the negotiating table, and give them a good old unlubed seeing to, before loving off to the UK/random tax haven. Scotland will have to drop corporation taxes just to keep business from loving off over the border, and the people will end up bearing the brunt of paying for their new impoverished scotland. Independence had a balls-hair chance of working during boomtimes, but doing during a worldwide economic downturn is superretarded.
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Sion posted:uhhhhhh a fairer, and more equal society with a greater sense of social justice and more days of sunshine. lol if you genuinely believe your country is somehow not full of lovely assholes just like every other nation in the world
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cynic posted:I really like reading estimates of costs of independance, because they are making loads of assumptions that absolutely nothing fundamental will change after independence, that poo poo like tax setting up a tax collection agency, or a border agency will be insanely cheap, or negotiating a whole new healthcare service. Every corporation who can will bend scotland over the negotiating table, and give them a good old unlubed seeing to, before loving off to the UK/random tax haven. Scotland will have to drop corporation taxes just to keep business from loving off over the border, and the people will end up bearing the brunt of paying for their new impoverished scotland. Independence had a balls-hair chance of working during boomtimes, but doing during a worldwide economic downturn is superretarded. more or less. like, whenever you bring this up with nationalists they will say 'yeah but it's always stormy waters, you have to just go for it sometimes.' and i am like 'if i am gonna put my balls in a blender, i want to make sure that blender is not even loving plugged in before i do it. i don't want to do it while the blender is actively spinning around in linquidate mode'
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Robo Reagan posted:lol if you genuinely believe your country is somehow not full of lovely assholes just like every other nation in the world I think the line is that the lovely assholes in england have different values from our lovely assholes in scotland, and therefore commit financial suicide to get rid of pimms-sipping anglo-fag politicians and replace with hairy special-brew swigging intelligible celtic fats? This will make scotland a great nation again because of ???
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cynic posted:the case for independence is shaky at best, and in all likelihood will involve scotland going bankrupt in 4-8 years time.
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I'm Crap posted:4-8 seconds if they were to be held liable for the costs of bailing out their banks. It's too much for the entire UK to deal with let alone Scotland. i remember that in 2008 holy poo poo. there was a moment where RBS went under and it was like 'welp, to do this bailout is going to be the entire GDP of scotland.' If scotland had been an indipendent nation in 2008 it'd be like greece but with less sunshine right now
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I'm Crap posted:4-8 seconds if they were to be held liable for the costs of bailing out their banks. It's too much for the entire UK to deal with let alone Scotland. I'm charitably assuming that someone will loan scotland lots of money at high rates and it's going to take a few years of legal wrangling argentinia-style for things to go totally to poo poo.
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There are a bunch of examples of Scotland going it alone, for example their professional sports teams. Which aside from the GB curling team win gently caress-all and are generally getting worse and worse. If anybody wants to learn about how the union formed in the first place, have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme Essentially they tried to set up some colonies after England's successes, however they failed so spectacularly that they bankrupted Scotland and required England to bail them out. Almost the same as the collapse of the Scottish banks in 2008.
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Prettz posted:I really don't understand Scottish independence. I doesn't make any sense. Its the best idea they have had since the Darien scheme.
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Fumble posted:Its the best idea they have had since the Darien scheme. 
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Unhinged Vulcan posted:You are locked in a room for the next 48 hours. You have to decide between Slash's catalog of solo projects, or Chinese Democracy.... on repeat. The sweet embrace of death.
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Sep 3, 2014 17:45
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Remember that Simpsons episode where Homer becomes garbage commissioner, promises Springfield the world and fucks things up royally? That is pretty much what will happen to Scotland with a Yes vote.
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Sep 3, 2014 17:52
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lmao can you imagine if Scotland vote yes and Westminster have to break it to them that it was all a joke and there's no way in hell they're going to actually let them leave, imagine the look on their Scottish faces
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Bolian Blues posted:lmao can you imagine if Scotland vote yes and Westminster have to break it to them that it was all a joke and there's no way in hell they're going to actually let them leave, imagine the look on their Scottish faces i really dont think taht england, in its current bitchified state, wants to encourage scotland to get back in touch with its crazyfuck roots
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The SNP's bullshit claims of an improved NHS, more benefits, higher wages and greater economic freedom as an independent nation runs in contradiction to what they've actually done when they've been in power. It sounds super tinfoil-hat-ey but I genuinely think the SNP want to line their own pockets with oil money and breaks on corporation tax to stick a finger up to Westminster. I'm northern Irish so people here are assuming we'd be next if Scotland voted yes, which scares me because gently caress being part of the Republic of Ireland and the disgustingly large masses of national debt and Irish people that come along with it.
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I have Scottish ancestry, my name is Scott and I'm going to Scotland this fall
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