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Elerion posted:Italy, Germany, Spain and France all have a significantly larger share of domestic players in their top league, allowing young players far better opportunities to develop. The best players get siphoned into the 2-3 best teams and then go play in european competition. English teams absolutely dominated in Europe from the late 1970's till the European ban at a time where every team was made up of 90% British players, and the English teams of then did no better than they do now!
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Maybe it's a mix of both coaching problems and thus a lack of domestic players in the top flight. Doesn't help that good players at unfashionable clubs get overlooked either.
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Sep 2, 2014 23:51
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Some Premier League streaming operation got shut down in Manchester. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-bust-illegal-premier-league-4150731 The article mentions that streaming costs the TV industry £10 million each year. Doesn't seem like much to me. Just over half a Welbeck
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Sep 3, 2014 00:18
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Elerion posted:Italy, Germany, Spain and France all have a significantly larger share of domestic players in their top league, allowing young players far better opportunities to develop. The best players get siphoned into the 2-3 best teams and then go play in european competition.  How are these countries different than England? It is openly admitted English players are over priced in the English transfer market and almost no English players play abroad. Italy, Germany, and Spain all built incredible identities around tactics. Italy has been using a version of their system before most posters were born. Spain is built off of Tiki-Taka, and Low/Klinssman reinvented Germany to a offensive powerhouse. What is England's tactical identity? The top clubs in England can maximize the English talent, but why not the national manager?
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Sep 3, 2014 00:20
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Spain were shite for ages, got good briefly and are now shite again.
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Sep 3, 2014 00:31
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It's absolutely a coaching issue. There's no surprise that the nations that made big leaps and bounds (first Spain then Germany) did so by spending a poo poo load of cash getting more coaches better training. I remember seeing somewhere that during their peak Spain had, depending on their qualification level, 5-15 times as many trained youth coaches as there were in England. Then I think the Germans went even more extreme and blew those numbers out of the water. For all the talk of "grass roots football" it's hard to beat lots of well trained professionals working with kids from a young age to develop the fundamental skills properly.
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Elerion posted:Italy, Germany, Spain and France all have a significantly larger share of domestic players in their top league, allowing young players far better opportunities to develop. The best players get siphoned into the 2-3 best teams and then go play in european competition. It has nothing to do with foreigners. It has everything to do with the vast majority of academies being total garbage and how poo poo the system is for small clubs who actually produce a talented player rarely.
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Sep 3, 2014 00:32
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Ninpo posted:Doesn't help that good players at unfashionable clubs get overlooked either. Shawcross/Noble/Delph/Howson would have won us the world cup.
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Sep 3, 2014 00:43
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It's no one issue. Just take a punt on fixing the coaching by drilling players in a system from the ground up because it's actually doable and don't knee jerk if it doesn't pay off quickly. That's all that can be done really.
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sebzilla posted:Shawcross/Noble/Delph/Howson would have won us the world cup. Not with Hodgson managing, he's shithouse.
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Sep 3, 2014 01:05
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I want to see England institute a coherent system. Bring Pulis in.
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K U N T Z posted:Not with Hodgson managing, he's shithouse.
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Sep 3, 2014 01:48
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TheBigAristotle posted:Some Premier League streaming operation got shut down in Manchester. Seems kind of oddly low, those types of piracy figures are usually inflated.
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Sep 3, 2014 02:11
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Primpod posted:It's no one issue. Just take a punt on fixing the coaching by drilling players in a system from the ground up because it's actually doable and don't knee jerk if it doesn't pay off quickly. That's all that can be done really. just spend more resources on educating more/better youth coaches. do like the dutch who show up in every wc final but have a population of like 15 million
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Sep 3, 2014 04:11
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Earthy Ape Unit posted:By all accounts the transfer poo poo during Moyes'reign was in spite of Moyes' best efforts, not because of them. So watch what happens as United glide to a smooth 6th place finish this year, because that's what would have happened.
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Sep 3, 2014 04:41
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Falcao is a little short for a center back imo.
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Sep 3, 2014 04:53
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TheBigAristotle posted:Some Premier League streaming operation got shut down in Manchester. Not to mention that the 'cost' attributed to streaming is probably calculated the same way downloads were at the height of the RIAA persecution of people that had downloaded 'It's in his kiss' on Limewire. Number of people streaming does is not equal to number of people that would be otherwise subscribing, and streaming has provided access to a far vaster audience than ever before, which has no doubt added value to deals like MU's new shirt. It all evens out in the end. corpuscollossus fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Sep 3, 2014 |
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Primpod posted:It's no one issue. Just take a punt on fixing the coaching by drilling players in a system from the ground up because it's actually doable and don't knee jerk if it doesn't pay off quickly. That's all that can be done really. Coaching badges in the UK are loving horrendously expensive too.
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corpuscollossus posted:Not to mention that the 'cost' attributed to streaming is probably calculated the same way downloads were at the height of the RIAA persecution of people that had downloaded 'It's in his kiss' on Limewire. Number of people streaming does is not equal to number of people that would be otherwise subscribing, and streaming has provided access to a far vaster audience than ever before, which has no doubt added value to deals like MU's new shirt. I'm surprised they didn't assume for calculation purposes that every single stream was a full-cost season ticket not sold!
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Modus Trollens posted:I do wonder what would have happened had it been all Moyes on transfer front - 50m on Baines? Well that would have actually been a sensible buy
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webmeister posted:I'm surprised they didn't assume for calculation purposes that every single stream was a full-cost season ticket not sold! The RIAA would have assumed four people on the sofa who would have all bought a season ticket, two hotdogs, a burger a program and four drinks, plus all visited the club shop. At Arsenal. I'm the club level because normal fan season tickets are on a waiting list system. Yes your honour. That stream of Hull v Sunderland cost the premiership more than the GDP of the UK. And it's happening ten times a week thanks to monsters like the plaintiff!
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Ninpo posted:Coaching badges in the UK are loving horrendously expensive too. Maybe they should spend some time coaching players instead of badges haha
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Sep 3, 2014 10:22
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Danny Welbeck hasn't scored many goals in his career I don't see what the fuss is about?
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African AIDS cum posted:Maybe they should spend some time coaching players instead of badges haha cull english players imo
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Sep 3, 2014 10:26
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Fat Lowtax posted:I want to see England institute a coherent system.
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Sep 3, 2014 10:36
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Pissflaps posted:Danny Welbeck hasn't scored many goals in his career I don't see what the fuss is about? 1 in 4 or less at every club hes been at, i dont think hes very good
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tbp posted:1 in 4 or less at every club hes been at, i dont think hes very good just looked it up and he even had 1 in 4 at PNE wtf
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tbp posted:1 in 4 or less at every club hes been at, i dont think hes very good He's OK. But he's no big shakes.
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Sep 3, 2014 11:52
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tbp posted:1 in 4 or less at every club hes been at, i dont think hes very good How was Sturridge at Chelsea?
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Sep 3, 2014 12:03
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Sturridge at Chelsea was still better than Welbeck at Man united
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Sep 3, 2014 12:07
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I believe in Danny he deserves a chance to play regularly up front in a team with a competent midfield who can actually create chances. If he still misses most of them all then well they've got two Olivier Girouds.
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Sep 3, 2014 12:18
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TelekineticBear! posted:Sturridge at Chelsea was still better than Welbeck at Man united I'm craving some advanced stats.
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Sep 3, 2014 12:24
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ephex posted:I'm craving some advanced stats. let me pull up my DZBTS CASHZ spreadsheet
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Sep 3, 2014 12:29
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ephex posted:I'm craving some advanced stats. I would be surprised if there were many people that would chose Welbeck over Sturridge.
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Ewar Woowar posted:I would be surprised if there were many people that would chose Welbeck over Sturridge. Enter Roy Hodgson
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Welbeck isn't as good as Sturridge obviously but he's decent and I think a new start at a top club ("but he went to Arsenal" jokes notwithstanding) will see him improve a fair bit
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Ewar Woowar posted:I would be surprised if there were many people that would chose Welbeck over Sturridge. They might have done a couple of years ago
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Sep 3, 2014 12:40
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I woulkd have had Welbeck over Sturridge before Sturridge went to Liverpool, amazing what a consistant run in the team does for a player.
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The Big Taff Man posted:I woulkd have had Welbeck over Sturridge before Sturridge went to Liverpool, amazing what a consistant run in the team does for a player. I thought Welbeck has played a lot for you guys.
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Lots of people making fun of Welbeck, not enough making fun of the fact that we're literally one injury away (if Koscielny doesn't recover over the break) from playing Nacho Monreal at centre-back and Flamini at full-back.
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