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timp
Sep 19, 2007

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I think I said the same thing at the beginning of last season, but I always enjoy this show a ton when it's on, and I recommend it to a lot of people, but the premiere always sneaks up on me and I feel like I've completely forgotten the show even exists, if that makes any sense at all.

I really hope we see the start of the Van Alden-Eli buddy cop movie tonight.

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Sep 19, 2007

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olylifter posted:

What this episode was really missing for me (aside from, you know, explanation of what happened to all the characters) was another 10-35 minutes of some woman's monotonous voice reading a poem which appears to be longer than recorded history.

They should have had that for the entire episode, with everything happening in the background.

I'm almost positive that was Gretchen Moll, so I thought we were going to get a final shot of Gillian Darmody inside her asylum.

I'm such a sucker for the world-building and general aesthetic of this show, there's no chance in hell I'd ever stop watching. But I did notice some stuff that, in a less pretty show, would have been pretty jarring, or even outright bad. Some thoughts:

The dialogue between the Commodore and, um, whoever that was on the porch before Nucky gets caught was so stilted it sounded like they were reading off the scripts right in front of them. Maybe the actors/director were trying to illustrate how people spoke differently back then and how formal speech was between educated people, but they missed the mark because it just came across like community theater.

muscles like this? posted:

I was kind of sure that the guy looking for his hat was going to rape lil Nucky.

So did I, it was pretty creepy. Unfortunately there's still time for that to happen so let's hope it doesn't.

Bacontotem posted:

Most awkward jail break ever

Yeah! What the hell man? They were building and building to something really terrible with all the shots of Chalky's No Good Very Bad Day so that you thought he would snap, then suddenly some rando in the back pickaxes a guard out of NOWHERE while another guard stands with his gun raised and watches, then shoots. I want to say it was the victim of a hasty rewrite or cut.

But there were some positives...all the Luciano/Masseria stuff was great. Nucky's new business venture in Cuba is a fresh idea and I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out for him. The flashback stuff was slow, even boring at times, but it is kind of interesting to see how the Commodore impacted his life. I think the one new thing to this season I'm excited about is the singing (ex)prisoner. That dude is just so happy about everything even though his life is absolute poo poo, I couldn't help but smile. Did anybody catch his name?

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Sep 19, 2007

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Snark posted:

Ugh. I get how it would fit into the Young Nucky narrative, but I'm not looking forward to watching this play out.

Now that you mention it I can see this being a really important scene. Can't say I'm looking forward to it. The gravity of the whole affair didn't really dawn on me until I remembered how young they both were when it happened.

Anyone hoping for a Rothstein death scene flashback or a Valentine's Day Massacre flashback or anything from the end of the 20's is going to be disappointed, calling it now. It's already been rumored that all of the flashbacks are concerning Nucky's childhood and I highly doubt the flashbacks will deviate from that story.

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Sep 19, 2007

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Felix_Cat posted:

The bodyguard goes with Sally because Nucky instructs him to do so. He gives him a nod that means hey this lady is leaving and it's raining, so go be her escort and umbrella holder.

That doesn't sound like something Nucky would do, at all.

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Sep 19, 2007

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Felix_Cat posted:

It's exactly the sort of thing he would do. For all his rudeness he can be quite polite and courteous when he wants to be, particularly so with women.

Which is why I think he would do it himself, not shovel it off onto his bodyguard

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Sep 19, 2007

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ParliamentOfDogs posted:

"Why must it always be pandemonium!"

PLEASE make this the new thread title.

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Sep 19, 2007

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ParliamentOfDogs posted:

Requested.

That was a really loving solid episode. They are thankfully not wasting any time in escalating the Luciano stuff. Also Sepinwall pointed something out in his review that I completely missed. That Mike DeAngelo guy who was with Van Alden and Eli in the elevator is a fed. He was the agent who was antagonistic to Knox last season.

Narcisse next episode.

I only picked up on that because when Eliot Ness was giving his speech Mike was walking right by him and eventually ended up in his own office, meaning he must be a gov't employee.

By the way, was that Pryzbylewski from The Wire as Eliot Ness? imdb isn't telling me who played him.

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Sep 19, 2007

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Illinois Smith posted:

REALLY glad that scere in the attic didn't progress to "Head Nurse is using Gillian for her Secret Lesbian Desires"

Is this sarcastic? I thought that was exactly what was happening...

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Sep 19, 2007

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muscles like this? posted:

It looked more like it was just trading away her nice clothes for the paper.

Oh gotcha. That's...weird.

This episode was great. The DP, wardrobe, scenery, etc was all top notch as usual but I also feel that the story elements a lot of us were disappointed about were better. Van Alden delivered on all fronts, and despite Eli reverting to a piece of poo poo I'll be rooting for him as always. I'm also really interested to see what unfolds with his son Will. He said in his interview that he hated his crime-laden and corrupt family, especially Nucky, and wanted desperately to serve justice from now on. Then later on he's shown eating dinner with Nucky and lying to him about whether or not Nucky's name came up in the interview. What kind of game is he playing?

And god how amazing was Capone in this episode. He's finally at the top and we're seeing just how insane it's become to even know him. He's living in a completely different reality than anyone else in the show, but he's so rich, influential, and, um...charismatic? that everyone around him is dying to be accepted by him. He's practically a zealot at this point and it's amazing to watch. Stephen Graham is just phenomenal in this role.

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Sep 19, 2007

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Shadow posted:

Someone earlier in the thread had said that there's something about this show that makes them nearly forget all about it until back to watching it. When I'm watching it, I love nearly every moment of it and tell people I know that they'd love it and to check it out. Then until literally a week or two before the season premier, I won't have given it a second's thought. Not sure why that is because I really do love the show. With Mad Men or Breaking Bad, however, even Dexter (sigh), I was counting down the days and timing a rewatch of the whole series (or at least previous season) before starting up the new season. I didn't even bother rewatching the last season Boardwalk before watching last week's premiere. No idea why that is.

tbh there are parts of some episodes that I think I've kind of suppressed and tried to forget about because they were so goddamned depressing. Not that they weren't good, just so heavy. Also what ParliamentOfDogs said.

How loving crazy is it that Torrio is still walking around and talking and breathing and stuff like that? If him surviving his assassination attempt wasn't 100% factual I would have been insulted that the show expected me to believe he didn't die.

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Sep 19, 2007

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Libertine posted:

When Nucky had the sit down early in this episode with Johnny Torrio, and they just mentioned off the cuff about Rothstein being dead I was really shocked and had to go back and Wikipedia/Google both the show and the real person to figure out why such a major character would just die off-screen (I guess as a result of the time shift). I guess I don't know how they would have written it in but I'm surprised that they had that character doing things from Season 1 all the way up to the finale of last season and then this season he's just mentioned as being dead off-screen in the second episode as an incidental conversation.

It was mentioned in the first one too, only much more subtly

Max posted:

It goes by so quickly that I can't even believe I caught it. I knew to look out for it because of history. It gets mentioned once, in passing, when Nucky mentions the last time he saw Meyer. Meyer just says, "at AR's funeral."

That's it.

timp
Sep 19, 2007

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Is anybody else having trouble with HBOGo? The Adobe plugin keeps crashing even though FireFox says it's up to date. I've even tried redownloading the newest version but still nothing. Even trying with Safari doesn't work. gently caress

Alternately, anybody know of a way I can watch it through HBOGo but without needing Flash?

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Sep 19, 2007

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KoRMaK posted:

What the gently caress was Capone going on about when he beat that dude?

He was basically repeating the joke Luciano made that the lackey laughed at when they were watching the Capone news reel, meaning he didn't forget, took it personally, and had been waiting for an opportunity to lash out. The joke was comparing him to some larger-than-life actor who was famous at the time but it wasn't someone I recognized, maybe someone else in the thread will know.

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Sep 19, 2007

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EvanSchenck posted:

He probably contracted syphilis in the 1920s when he was managing Torrio's brothels. He was first diagnosed in prison but he'd had it for years, and it had advanced to neurosyphilis and his brain was wrecked, and he progressively lost his faculties and became basically helpless by the time of his release. Present day in the show, it's entirely possible that a combination of early neurosyphilis, years of heavy cocaine use, and growing megalomania have made him a little... harder to deal with than he used to be.

It's "possible"? That's a loving understatement, :lol:

I'm restarting the series with a friend who said they were interested, and it's downright surreal, especially the second episode. Mickey Doyle gets thrown in jail after Van Alden and his team of prohies roust Nucky's warehouse, and Nucky refuses to bail him out. Seeing Gillian's reaction to Jimmy when he comes to her work is really hosed up when you know what happened the last time they saw each other. But the most jarring thing of all was seeing Nucky and The Commodore having a drink together, just shooting the poo poo and talking shop.

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Sep 19, 2007

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raindrop posted:

It would be hard to create a happy ending for someone as unhappy as Van Alden that didn't feel fake, or like it was just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Even if we ended the series with him still alive in my imagination he'd go on to some terrible mishap yet again.

It will be interesting to see what Eli does next week; I can't see him with a happy ending, either.

Probably gonna kill himself. :smith:

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Sep 19, 2007

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Illinois Smith posted:

Man, if you didn't see Mickey's death coming from a mile away after that moment they had in the club I have no idea what to tell you.

So the finale's gonna have Capone getting arrested, the big conference that people in this thread have mentioned since the show started, some kind of last scene with Margaret, Young Nucky giving Gillian to the Commodore and Old Nucky arriving at the asylum too late to prevent Creepy Doc from fixing her brain? I sure hope between that and Nucky's obligatory Last Stroll Down That Boardwalk the writers somehow find the space to poo poo on Eli one last time.

If you're referring to The Atlantic City Conference I'm afraid we've missed that in the time skip. It was one of the largest complaints of doing a time skip because seriously, it would have owned. I agree with everything else in your post though.

I enjoyed the beginning montage...I liked how each character was shown quickly looking over their shoulder as someone enters, but it was never an enemy.

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Sep 19, 2007

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JethroMcB posted:

In a perfect would there would have been a stopgap movie between seasons 4 and 5 that opened with AR's death and culminated with the Atlantic City Conference, to better sell Lansky and Luciano's consolidation of power.

I think I want this movie more than I want that fabled Deadwood movie. Despite knowing "what happens" I would still watch the poo poo out of that.

Jose posted:

Trying to buy Luciano as a serious threat when he's been mostly an idiot all throughout the show was a problem. The scene of how he recovered from getting caught selling heroin so he was no longer a laughing stock should have been a thing too

I'd agree with this. Luciano didn't really carry himself any differently in the last season than he did in the first. Obviously he rose in power by making the right plays but he didn't seem all that changed as a person by the end of the series. I think the acting was fine, but something about the combination of the directing and the writing kind of missed an opportunity. Luciano should be one of my favorite characters but he doesn't hold a candle to Van Alden, Harrow, Chalky, Owen, etc, etc...

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Sep 19, 2007

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Cojawfee posted:

So you like everyone who died.

Everyone I liked died. :smith:

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Sep 19, 2007

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Shadow posted:

Yeah, seriously. Even one episode as the season premier where they hit every major plot point that would have bridged the seasons together would have been enough.

Missed opportunities!!

:ssh: That'll be the focus of the Boardwalk Empire movie!

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Sep 19, 2007

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Shadow posted:

DONT YOU LIE TO ME

I'm sorry, that's not a real thing. Just a thing that I wish would happen :smith:

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Shadow posted:

Wait, I know why the movie's being made. It's to give Adrian Grenier something to do. I don't think the guy's done poo poo since Entourage.

Probably because he's a bad actor, lol.

I really loved binge-watching Entourage when I didn't have cable, but I caught up to the last season as it aired live and stopped watching the moment after I heard an actress unironically deliver the line "Turtle. I'm totes kidding with you" Goddamn that show got lovely.

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Sep 19, 2007

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Shadow posted:

Is that the hispanic chick he ends up with? Holy poo poo that girl was horrible and treated him like poo poo. It makes sense for the character though. Turtle pretty much gives off the aura of "pushover bitch boy" for a girl looking to take advantage.

And yeah, he is a pretty bad actor. I think Entourage worked because it seems cheap to make and Vince being the worst actor was fine since he's depicted as a self-important drama queen. So his direction was simply, "Adrian... act disinterested and tired."

Nah, it was one of his employees at the shoe factory or tequila store or whatever the gently caress he was doing.

fake edit: I just remembered, it was the hot girls limo company.

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