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I mean ok there was a cult of personality sure, but he wasnt fired because he kept winning and was deemed essential to attract large donations, which is incidentally what Old Main was mainly interested at the time because it was basically rebuilding the campus and buying professional schools.
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swickles posted:I have always maintained that its the Cult of Paterno over the cult of football and winning. Even when Penn State was bad, Paterno was never even questioned. No one put him in the hot seat. If it truly was about winning and football above all else, Pateron would have been fired or most likely forced to retire over a decade ago. It was always a cult of personality. This is not even true at all. I went to Penn State when they were really bad. The majority of students I spoke with wanted Paterno to be fired or retire. People began to question in 2001, and it really picked up during the 3-9 2003 season and continued through 4-7 2004. After the season, Curley and Spanier went over to his house to convince him to retire. He was able to talk them into letting him coach in 2005. We'll never really know what was said here. Then after the miracle 2005 turnaround, with the white outs and the Zombie Nation, a new generation of students was indoctrinated into the cult of Paterno. At that point, I think people were content to let him ride it out until he decided he wanted to retire, but by about 2010, we hoped he would retire sooner rather than later.
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Sep 11, 2014 14:20
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Did they want him to retire because he was an old, out-of-touch piece of poo poo or because he got really bad at football stuff?
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Sep 11, 2014 14:55
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Kim Jong Il posted:Of course no one's going to cover up pedophilia. They have no criminal incentive to not cover up academic or amateurism violations. Well yeah, that's why the NCAA exists. To disincentivise stuff that's cheating, but not illegal. General Dog fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Sep 11, 2014 |
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Sep 11, 2014 15:02
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sportsgenius86 posted:Did they want him to retire because he was an old, out-of-touch piece of poo poo or because he got really bad at football stuff? No one knew he was a piece of poo poo until after the scandal, so it wasn't really relevant.
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Sep 11, 2014 15:09
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Komet posted:No one knew he was a piece of poo poo until after the scandal, so it wasn't really relevant. ahahahahahahahahahaha yeah no Maybe its because my parents were faculty but Paterno being a piece of poo poo stories were legendary. He once told a bunch of female graduates at the Honors college to get on their knees in front of the Dean because that was how they were gonna earn their money.
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Sep 11, 2014 16:28
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Well, I stand corrected.
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Sep 11, 2014 16:34
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Yeah Joepa was a legendary pos. That was part of his "charm".
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Sep 11, 2014 16:35
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euphronius posted:Yeah Joepa was a legendary pos. That was part of his "charm". Yeah for years there was an undercurrent of "He's either going to die or finally get caught saying something terrible and retire" No one really expected child rape. The going bet was that he was gonna hit a player like Woody Hayes.
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Sep 11, 2014 16:39
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I will forever be proud of having the privilege of attending the game where Paterno poo poo in his pants right before halftime and then came out for the second half with new pants.
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Sep 11, 2014 16:40
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I remember the time he called basketball a "Jew sport" but I think everyone was too confused to react.
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Sep 11, 2014 17:13
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sportsgenius86 posted:I will forever be proud of having the privilege of attending the game where Paterno poo poo in his pants right before halftime and then came out for the second half with new pants. My favorite paterno story/youtube
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Sep 11, 2014 17:14
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Sash! posted:I remember the time he called basketball a "Jew sport" but I think everyone was too confused to react. Lol it was like 85 years ago. Joepa was old.
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Sep 11, 2014 17:31
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euphronius posted:Lol it was like 85 years ago. Joepa was old. Yeah back when he was a kid men had sex with boys all the time too. Socrates, Leonidas, Pericles, etc.
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hey yall just a daily reminder that football is literally more important than making sure your campus isn't an all you can rape kid buffet
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Sep 12, 2014 01:44
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Mel Mudkiper posted:ahahahahahahahahahaha yeah no As a student, I never heard stories like that. It was always something like "dumb student cut off JoePa's wife, so JoePa got out of the car and cursed the kid out" type of stories. I never would have suspected he was hiding child rape, but it was known that you don't gently caress with JoePa.
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Butthead posted:As a student, I never heard stories like that. It was always something like "dumb student cut off JoePa's wife, so JoePa got out of the car and cursed the kid out" type of stories. I never would have suspected he was hiding child rape, but it was known that you don't gently caress with JoePa. As a kid who grew up in State College, I can confirm.
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Sep 14, 2014 00:30
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Armani posted:The statue of the little boy in the upper left is an unfortunate thing to put into the frame of the shot ahahahahahaha holy poo poo
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Armani posted:The statue of the little boy in the upper left is an unfortunate thing to put into the frame of the shot
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Sep 14, 2014 00:52
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Butthead posted:but it was known that you don't gently caress with JoePa. See this is the problem and this is why this school deserved the death penalty. I don't know if it was out of the normal jurisdiction of the NCAA. But PSU was never going to take the appropriate measures to fix this issue as we can see from the reaction from people involved with the school still. Football should be abolished there I am sorry folks who are fans but you are pretty much a monster if you think having a football program is more important than the health and well being of your community. Like seriously take a step back. Komet posted:This is not even true at all. I went to Penn State when they were really bad. The majority of students I spoke with wanted Paterno to be fired or retire. People began to question in 2001, and it really picked up during the 3-9 2003 season and continued through 4-7 2004. After the season, Curley and Spanier went over to his house to convince him to retire. He was able to talk them into letting him coach in 2005. We'll never really know what was said here. Then after the miracle 2005 turnaround, with the white outs and the Zombie Nation, a new generation of students was indoctrinated into the cult of Paterno. At that point, I think people were content to let him ride it out until he decided he wanted to retire, but by about 2010, we hoped he would retire sooner rather than later. The fact that they had to ask him to retire and he said no is really indicative of the problem. I don't think you realise what you are actually writing here is proving the point. Vire fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Armani posted:The statue of the little boy in the upper left is an unfortunate thing to put into the frame of the shot holy poo poo
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Sep 14, 2014 01:52
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Vire posted:The fact that they had to ask him to retire and he said no is really indicative of the problem. What? People are asked to retire at jobs all the time, say no, and basically dare the company to fire them. Then the company doesn't and they go on doing a lovely job.
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Sep 14, 2014 03:13
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He was a football coach, the fact that they came at it not as "firing" but as "asking to retire" is really indicative of the problem imo
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Sep 14, 2014 03:52
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football fuckerman posted:He was a football coach, the fact that they came at it not as "firing" but as "asking to retire" is really indicative of the problem imo Lots of coaches go that way, particularly old, respected coaches where they want to avoid an ugly scene. Lloyd Carr at Michigan was convinced to retire rather than be fired, Mac Brown at Texas retired rather than getting fired. Bobby Bowden forced them to fire him, and a shitstorm ensued. You're going out of your way to invent something to be mad about.
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Sep 14, 2014 03:57
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what is this mad? I do not feel any mad no you're right, i was just saying that's what Vire was going for
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Sep 14, 2014 04:00
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He was an employee (position and title irrelevant) and it happens all the time. You never worked somewhere with an old incompetent guy they repeatedly ask to accept an early retirement and he's just like "nah" and keeps on trucking?
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Sep 14, 2014 05:07
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I was arguing that position and title are relevant, that I think you'll find college football coaches get fired a lot more frequently than the general population and to your second question, no, we've never worked together
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Sep 14, 2014 05:15
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Have we reached the point yet where more people rape/get raped in college than get a job that requires a degree afterwards? I think we may have, being completely non-sarcastic.
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Radbot posted:Have we reached the point yet where more people rape/get raped in college than get a job that requires a degree afterwards? I think we may have, being completely non-sarcastic. It's really hard to even know, to be honest. Schools way, way underreport it for obvious reasons. One of the people I work with is doing a lot of research on it and its pretty depressing.
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Sep 15, 2014 20:14
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I said in another thread I think that on campuses, all sexual contact should be preceded by a written agreement or waiver and I'm not joking.
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euphronius posted:I said in another thread I think that on campuses, all sexual contact should be preceded by a written agreement or waiver and I'm not joking. JJReddickAbortionContract.jpg
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euphronius posted:I said in another thread I think that on campuses, all sexual contact should be preceded by a written agreement or waiver and I'm not joking.
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euphronius posted:I said in another thread I think that on campuses, all sexual contact should be preceded by a written agreement or waiver and I'm not joking. Contract signed under duress, get in jail
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Sep 16, 2014 00:16
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Sash! posted:I remember the time he called basketball a "Jew sport" but I think everyone was too confused to react. well, in Pennsylvania, it actually was... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Sphas
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Sep 16, 2014 00:24
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I don't understand why it's a good idea for colleges to have an entire judicial process separate from their municipality, and why college punishments are like suspension or expulsion instead of jail or probation
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Sep 16, 2014 00:24
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football fuckerman posted:I don't understand why it's a good idea for colleges to have an entire judicial process separate from their municipality, and why college punishments are like suspension or expulsion instead of jail or probation Because colleges can have rules for student conduct that differ from municipal law that applies to everyone, students or not. Cheating on a test doesn't violate any laws, but colleges would like to have a way of keeping their students from doing it. I don't really see what this has to do with PSU's NCAA sanctions.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:35
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The first picture commemorates the moment when Jay explained to Joe that it was possible for a man and boy to have inappropriate sexual relations.
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Sep 16, 2014 16:46
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Yeah, the Cult of Paterno has really been culled in light of everything that's happened.quote:Roll up the cuffs on your khaki pants. Put on your dark glasses. Tie on your black shoes. There’s going to be a “Joe-out.” http://www.centredaily.com/2014/09/15/4355859_penn-state-fans-plan-joe-out-for.html?rh=1
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Ive been talking to people about town about Joe because of this thread etc and the idea I get is that the following assumption is not consensus: Joe Paterno engaged in criminal conspiracy to cover up Sandusky's crimes. In fact there is quite a lot a doubt about it. So when you see stuff like the above, remember that most if not all of these people are giving Joe the benefit of the doubt.
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