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a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

i'll give YOU a colon calamity, motherfuckere

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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Stalin

The Droid
Jun 11, 2012

Wasn't a good portion of Stalin's poo poo incompetence at various levels, too? IIRC he had one of the heads of the purges purged because "woah dude, you're taking this whole purging thing too far"

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!
look u bougie fucks its not my job to educate u

putting down student rebellions in e euro w/ tanks just had to be done otherwise theyd fall to western oppression

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
hitler actually killed more people according to timothy snyder, who is a pretty hardcore anti-communist and anti-stalinist.

Kyrie eleison
Jan 26, 2013

by Ralp

The Droid posted:

Wasn't a good portion of Stalin's poo poo incompetence at various levels, too? IIRC he had one of the heads of the purges purged because "woah dude, you're taking this whole purging thing too far"

in other words he let him take the blame

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
stalin thought he was the engineer of history and human beings got turned into his grease.

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!

Kyrie eleison posted:

in other words he let him take the blame

so pol pot was stalin 2.0 makes sense

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Kyrie eleison posted:

in other words he let him take the blame

basically he was upper management material

facebook jihad
Dec 18, 2007

by R. Guyovich

coloncalamity posted:

killing more people doesn't make you a worse person, dumb-dumb. if i kill one million people, and you kill one million and one people, does that make you a worse person? what if i torture my million and but you give yours all quick deaths? i am obviously the worse human being in this case.

hitler is the worse person because he oversaw the systematic extermination of several minorities and conquered peoples based on pseudo-scientific prejudice and scapegoating nonsense, and moreover, sought to rob them of their dignity and humanity in the process. he brought order to brutality. the genocides perpetuated by the nazis weren't a series of frenzied war crimes that burst up in the heat of the moment, they were extremely well thought out, meticulous planned mass murders. its so hosed up i can barely wrap my head around it. stalin doesnt even compare. only the japanese war crimes really come close.

for stalin it was all politics. killing political dissidents is hosed up. holodomor was hosed up. but it wasn't as hosed up as the holocaust. how do you fail to grasp that what hitler did comes from a darker place than what stalin did?

also, i have a friend who thinks stalin was pretty good. politically, this is like the only thing we disagree on.

e: whoops i took this thread seriously

doesn't matter. stalin still killed a fuckton of people. just don't see why he gets a pass while hitler is universally reviled.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


DeusExMachinima posted:

look u bougie fucks its not my job to educate u

putting down student rebellions in e euro w/ tanks just had to be done otherwise theyd fall to western oppression

agree unoronically

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

getting mad about poo poo that happened a century ago is the reason people wont stop killing eachother in the middle east

The Droid
Jun 11, 2012

modern stalin/ussr fans in russia are a pretty strange lot, as they are generally nationalists but still idolize how strong the USSR was

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
there's a free game called "stalin's dilemma" where you simulate the five-year plans. it's just a spreadsheet with a bunch of population, economic, industrial, military-industrial and agricultural numbers you fiddle with before hitting the "GO" button.

after i did some tweaking i hit "GO" and got a pop-up that said "3 million people have starved to death." then you make your next move.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

The Droid posted:

modern stalin/ussr fans in russia are a pretty strange lot, as they are generally nationalists but still idolize how strong the USSR was


lol at the thinly veiled nazi uniform

Lightanchor
Nov 2, 2012
Industrialization fucks you up

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!
my ethernet access & dnd postin really allowed me to understand class struggle, down w/ nations

Kyrie eleison
Jan 26, 2013

by Ralp
the story of yezhov is hosed up because he was appointed as head of the secret police and was super loyal to stalin and did all these killings and stuff and then when the purges became too unpopular he just gets taken into the same dungeon he's killed so many in and is tortured and shot himself, with stalin's name on his lips as his dying words, then he gets airbrushed out of photos. that's your grand reward for loyalty to stalin

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

facebook jihad posted:

doesn't matter. stalin still killed a fuckton of people. just don't see why he gets a pass while hitler is universally reviled.
stalin was the lesser of two evils. i think the logic is that while stalin was just another fuhrer, the soviet union at least had the potential to improve, which it did after uncle joe hit the bucket. but nazism wasn't ever gonna do that.

Manifest
Jul 7, 2007

HELLO THERE I COME FROM THE FUTURE
Stalin was a beta who repeatedly tried to kill Trotsky out of jealousy.
Seriously, Trotsky was happy living in his compound in Mexico City, writing books, loving Frida Khalo, and drinking mescal. Leon was living it up until he finally got ice picked.

Mr. Soul
Nov 5, 2011

The Droid posted:

modern stalin/ussr fans in russia are a pretty strange lot, as they are generally nationalists but still idolize how strong the USSR was



I wish I had a time machine to go to the meeting where everybody decided on those clothes

Lightanchor
Nov 2, 2012
If you kill enough counter-revolutionaries there eventually won't be any more

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Mr. Soul posted:

I wish I had a time machine to go to the meeting where everybody decided on those clothes
and tell them that yes, unabashedly, unconditionally, yes, they should go for those clothes?

The Droid
Jun 11, 2012

Mr. Soul posted:

I wish I had a time machine to go to the meeting where everybody decided on those clothes

No you see, it is national BOLSHEVISM not national SOCIALISM, totally different.

Lightanchor
Nov 2, 2012
Slavoj Zizek says Stalin was worse than Hitler fwiw

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Lightanchor posted:

Slavoj Zizek says Stalin was worse than Hitler fwiw
slavoj zizek is all :qq: he messed up my communism

Manifest
Jul 7, 2007

HELLO THERE I COME FROM THE FUTURE

Lightanchor posted:

Slavoj Zizek says Stalin was worse than Hitler fwiw

He probably was. Stalin killed not based on racial or ethnic background, (though he did that too) but on whether or not you were inconvenient or not.

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010

Lightanchor posted:

Slavoj Zizek says Stalin was worse than Hitler fwiw

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


facebook jihad posted:

doesn't matter. stalin still killed a fuckton of people. just don't see why he gets a pass while hitler is universally reviled.

most of those deaths were pretty indirect. the evidence linking stalin to the famines isnt tight, a lot of legit historians disagree with some of the more absurd numbers like 20 million. its clear he was directly responsible for the purges however, but that ONLY killed like half a million, which i guess makes him not as bad of a person?

stalin was a dick evil poo poo with severe paranoia but he wasnt hitler. there are a few us presidents with as much blood on their hands as stalin.

id say Beria was Hitler level evil though. dude was hosed up

Kyrie eleison
Jan 26, 2013

by Ralp
stalin killed most of the surviving bolshevik revolutionaries so they wouldn't be a threat to his power

more just desserts. reminds me of robespierre and danton

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Manifest posted:

Stalin was a beta who repeatedly tried to kill Trotsky out of jealousy.
Seriously, Trotsky was happy living in his compound in Mexico City, writing books, loving Frida Khalo, and drinking mescal. Leon was living it up until he finally got ice picked.

stalin was basically the worst type of crazy Ex

Lightanchor
Nov 2, 2012

He claims he keeps those posters just to piss people off, which I can respect

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Manifest posted:

He probably was. Stalin killed not based on racial or ethnic background, (though he did that too) but on whether or not you were inconvenient or not.
true. but then you had psychopathic 1945 hitler who ordered all of germany to basically throw itself into one big funeral pyre.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Omi-Polari posted:

stalin was the lesser of two evils. i think the logic is that while stalin was just another fuhrer, the soviet union at least had the potential to improve, which it did after uncle joe hit the bucket. but nazism wasn't ever gonna do that.

from




to





improvement?

DeusExMachinima
Sep 2, 2012

:siren:This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!:siren:

Put this loser on ignore immediately!

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

most of those deaths were pretty indirect. the evidence linking stalin to the famines isnt tight, a lot of legit historians disagree with some of the more absurd numbers like 20 million. its clear he was directly responsible for the purges however, but that ONLY killed like half a million, which i guess makes him not as bad of a person?

stalin was a dick evil poo poo with severe paranoia but he wasnt hitler. there are a few us presidents with as much blood on their hands as stalin.

id say Beria was Hitler level evil though. dude was hosed up

look not sayin stalin was perfect here but it is every citizens final duty to go into the tanks anyway, you get me

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
ooh charismatic leader dick slurp slurp slurp

:goonsay:

Tuxedo Gin
May 21, 2003

Classy.

stalin wasn't so bad, if you look at it all in context


you just need to change your perspective a little

fuck the ROW
Aug 29, 2008

by zen death robot

coloncalamity posted:

killing more people doesn't make you a worse person, dumb-dumb. if i kill one million people, and you kill one million and one people, does that make you a worse person? what if i torture my million and but you give yours all quick deaths? i am obviously the worse human being in this case.

hitler is the worse person because he oversaw the systematic extermination of several minorities and conquered peoples based on pseudo-scientific prejudice and scapegoating nonsense, and moreover, sought to rob them of their dignity and humanity in the process. he brought order to brutality. the genocides perpetuated by the nazis weren't a series of frenzied war crimes that burst up in the heat of the moment, they were extremely well thought out, meticulous planned mass murders. its so hosed up i can barely wrap my head around it. stalin doesnt even compare. only the japanese war crimes really come close.

for stalin it was all politics. killing political dissidents is hosed up. holodomor was hosed up. but it wasn't as hosed up as the holocaust. how do you fail to grasp that what hitler did comes from a darker place than what stalin did?

also, i have a friend who thinks stalin was pretty good. politically, this is like the only thing we disagree on.

e: whoops i took this thread seriously

kill yourself you fuckin retard

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
if the ukrainians had checked their food privilege maybe they wouldn't have starved to death right???

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old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
The only thing that could have made Stalin more dapper is some of Hitler's Hugo Boss.

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