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etalian posted:I'm disappointed EU/US didn't hit Russia where it really hurts with a Adidas and Nike embargo. poo poo son, that WW III provocation right there.
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Imagine being Uncle Joe as you visit Berlin. You fly over a bombed out shell of a city, ruins still crackling to the tune of raging fires. Nothing but a blackened hellscape. A smile comes across your face, you turn to your aids and say "Good job everyone!"
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Koivunen posted:Imagine being Uncle Joe as you visit Berlin. You fly over a bombed out shell of a city, ruins still crackling to the tune of raging fires. Nothing but a blackened hellscape. A smile comes across your face, you turn to your aids and say "Good job everyone!" The American plan was more brutal. Originally we were just going to permanently deindustrialize Germany and turn them into France's agricultural fiefdom. We started breaking down all their factories. Eventually we sent Herbert Hoover (former president, autist, and man who made his fortune from a Chinese treasure map) to see how it was going. He was like "great. I mean we're going to kill 80% of them but yolo." The state department quickly rethought their plan. Meanwhile all their factories were sent to Russia lol owned
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Stalin was worse only in the sense that he was an abusive drunk and none in his inner circle was safe from him. Hitler was a split personality who was nice to those around him for whatever that is worth. Also, BRING BACK LF.
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FizFashizzle posted:I wish he'd been more thorough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUJVMzADyq0
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quote:Adidas and Nike Abibas and Mike! 
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FizFashizzle posted:The American plan was more brutal. Originally we were just going to permanently deindustrialize Germany and turn them into France's agricultural fiefdom. We started breaking down all their factories. Eventually we sent Herbert Hoover (former president, autist, and man who made his fortune from a Chinese treasure map) to see how it was going. That was only 1 Jewish guys idea in the cabinet, everyone else thought it was a horrible idea.
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MechaStalin posted:Stalin was worse only in the sense that he was an abusive drunk and none in his inner circle was safe from him. Hitler was a split personality who was nice to those around him for whatever that is worth. Hmm. Hitler was also a vegetarian and loved dogs. Did Stalin love dogs? Did he love anything. I'm rethinking my list with this new information.
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ninotoreS posted:Communism sucks
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MechaStalin posted:That was only 1 Jewish guys idea in the cabinet, everyone else thought it was a horrible idea. Heh jews love genocide huh Link plz
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Oberleutnant posted:actually communism owns
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stalin story: he got a job at a factory where the owners promised a reward for any employee who helped save the factory in event of diaster/fire/etc. stalin sets the factory on fire and then helps fight the fire, to get the reward the owners refuse to pay out the reward to the workers because they suspect an inside job, so stalin convinces the workers to go out on strike. the owners+government bring in troops to control the strike stalin convinces the other striking workers to charge the troops, telling them that there's no way the troops will shoot because it'd be a national scandal the striking workers get shot by the troops exactly as stalin expected, which makes the entire situation 10x worse lol
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newreply.php posted:has anyone itt defended trotski yet because he was a beta human being that never committed atrocities simply because he never got the chance to? trotsky built the loving red army and schooled the anti-bolsheviks in every major battle
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who actually cares about the people stalin killed? lol
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John Denver Hoxha posted:Revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another 
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FizFashizzle posted:The American plan was more brutal. Originally we were just going to permanently deindustrialize Germany and turn them into France's agricultural fiefdom. We started breaking down all their factories. Eventually we sent Herbert Hoover (former president, autist, and man who made his fortune from a Chinese treasure map) to see how it was going. Well I'll be damned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan
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Randarkman posted:from thats what I love about this Koba guy, man. I get older, he stays the same age
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hearing leftists talk all favorably about mass murder does harden my heart a bit when it comes to considering their welfare, i have to say.
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Kyrie eleison posted:hearing leftists talk all favorably about mass murder does harden my heart a bit when it comes to considering their welfare, i have to say. Slavery is worse than war. Morgenthau was one of those old school Jewish socialists sort of like Bernie Sanders, he was just mad pissed. MechaStalin fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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redshirt posted:7. Franco Are people really this upset about the Doobie Dogs thread getting gassed?
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Kyrie eleison posted:hearing leftists talk all favorably about mass murder does harden my heart a bit when it comes to considering their welfare, i have to say. Because there has been so much of that sincerely happening itt 
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Nonsense posted:trotsky built the loving red army and schooled the anti-bolsheviks in every major battle Trotsky got owned by Poles
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Effectronica posted:Stalins economic policy was just a softened version of Trotsky's and both of them were basically trickle-down economics with rich people replaced by Gosplan bureaucrats. They at least had the fear of being shot to motivate them, and an economy simple enough for a handful of people to collectively understand. How did Stalin have a softer version of Trotsky's policy? Industrialisation was full on under Stalin according to most people, so it'd be good to know what Trotsky was going to do differently. I don't know how you get the idea that it was trickle down economics either, that's a weird way of putting it.
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No greater shame. Andio get in this thread and let's celebrate our pathetic polish heritage.
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MechaStalin posted:That was only 1 Jewish guys idea in the cabinet, everyone else thought it was a horrible idea. And who runs the government? QED
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 Deep Thought posted:How did Stalin have a softer version of Trotsky's policy? Industrialisation was full on under Stalin according to most people, so it'd be good to know what Trotsky was going to do differently. I don't know how you get the idea that it was trickle down economics either, that's a weird way of putting it. Trotsky's plan for the USSR was basically to keep revolutioning, and make every effort to spread the revolution to neighbouring countries. Essentially constant war against neighbours until they are all reds, dunno how that translates into economic policy but it is quite possible that they would have to prioritize poo poo differently if they planned to be constantly at war and in revolution.
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FizFashizzle posted:And who runs the government?
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Lenin: holding pattern until Germany gets it poo poo together Trotsky: revolution everywhere Stalin: kill them all and let god sort it out
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He probably got really mad and complained to Lenin for hours about how the Poles cheated his genius
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Nonsense posted:He probably got really mad and complained to Lenin for hours about how the Poles cheated his genius Trotsky was a pussy bitch 
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Randarkman posted:Trotsky was a pussy bitch ____________/
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Nonsense posted:He probably got really mad and complained to Lenin for hours about how the Poles cheated his genius Bitch looked like Elliot Rodgers. 
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FizFashizzle posted:Bitch looked like Elliot Rodgers. And Stalin looked kind of like borat at times 
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Randarkman posted:And Stalin looked kind of like borat at times
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FizFashizzle posted:Bitch looked like Elliot Rodgers. Again, terrific hair.
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So Stalin's policy of industrialisation that got them the tanks, guns and supplies needed for war was the softer version of Trotsky's policy of declaring war on everybody immediately. That kinda makes Stalin the pussy bitch of the two.
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MechaStalin posted:Slavery is worse than war. so jews pretend to care about principles until it affects their tribe personally? interesting MechaStalin posted:That was only 1 Jewish guys idea in the cabinet, everyone else thought it was a horrible idea. and yet somehow it was almost implemented anyway hmm...
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Deep Thought posted:How did Stalin have a softer version of Trotsky's policy? Industrialisation was full on under Stalin according to most people, so it'd be good to know what Trotsky was going to do differently. I don't know how you get the idea that it was trickle down economics either, that's a weird way of putting it. Dekulakization and collectivization were policies of Trotsky and the left wing of the Bolsheviks during the period after Lenin died, prompted by Yevgeni Preobrazhensky, who argued that the only way to achieve industrial development was to suck as much money out of the rural peasantry as possible and use it for centralized capital investment. Stalin, on the right wing of the Bolsheviks, opposed those policies, but eventually adapted them after exiling Trotsky and rendering Bukharin irrelevant, starting in 1929. However, where Trotsky urged immediate destruction of the kulaks and collectivizing farms, Stalin implemented it more slowly, rendering it at least somewhat softer than the original idea, though he did cut urban workers's wages below survivability to force women into the workplace. Trotsky did a 180 on those policies in exile, either (if you're a cynic) because of opportunism and Stalin implementing them or (if you're an idealist) because he didn't consider the human cost until seeing them in action. In any case, the basic idea of wealth in the hands of the poor/working class only being used for the purchase of goods and services and concentrating it with an elite of wealthy investors/trained bureaucrats is something common to both voodoo economics and Preobrazhensky's interpretation of Marxism in light of the USSR's circumstances. It's hard to argue with the results, since it took the USSR to the point of challenging the USA in less than twenty years, but of course it started to show its failures as the USSR transitioned into a consumer economy.
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there's some article floating about the internet that shows it would take modern supercomputers literally decades to figure out optimal economic planning for just one year in the soviet economy of the 1980s. and it's assuming the data fed to the computers is 100% accurate and nobody fudges any numbers or lies about production. and that's for an economy like a tenth the size of the US's modern economy, and it gets exponentially harder as the economy grows
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icantfindaname posted:there's some article floating about the internet that shows it would take modern supercomputers literally decades to figure out optimal economic planning for just one year in the soviet economy of the 1980s. and it's assuming the data fed to the computers is 100% accurate and nobody fudges any numbers or lies about production. and that's for an economy like a tenth the size of the US's modern economy, and it gets exponentially harder as the economy grows wait.. you're saying a planned economy is both stupid and impossible?
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