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Helical Nightmares posted:Interesting. Why is that and do you happen to have an anthropologist or biblical scholar reference for this interpretation that goes into more depth? nah, just my interpretation. it's true they occasionally appear with human features (as the human-faced angel which appears with the lion-faced, eagle-faced, and ox-faced angels around the throne in revelation; and these are basically the same angels indicated by kings 2 as the "machinery" of god's throne); this, however, seems to me not to be an expression of will from the angels themselves but an expression of god's will. it's pretty clear from genesis that only humans have "free will." being admittedly underinformed, i don't know of any cases where angels appear where they are not fulfilling a strictly utilitarian function, and in my opinion they are not separable from their function. sometimes they have a messenger function, sometimes an impregnation function, and in the famous 2 kings example they function as the actual divine structure of god's chariot-throne. so they seem to me to be a mechanical expression of god's functive will as lord of creation, and in every case where god has to intervene in the world (except in job and 2 kings), he does it through an angel (or, arguably, through some other minion like satan); the holy ghost would be an exception for a few special cases.
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Last Buffalo posted:Not really. There's not a great amount of proof that he was ever a real person, certainly nothing from his lifetime. That said, there's not really much proof that Muhammad or Socrates walked the earth either. It's very plausible that Jesus did not exist, and given that the majority of Western historians have been Christ-believing Christians, saying "most historians have always accepted it" doesn't really do the idea justice. muhammad and socrates existed stupid
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can you really prove anything's real, though I mean what if you're all in my imagination, and your so called 'proof' of your existence is equally imaginary
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Sep 19, 2014 18:55
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Tubgirl Cosplay posted:can you really prove anything's real, though
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Sep 19, 2014 18:57
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Cubone posted:53Also a clown was there 54Honk honk, the clown said to Jesus' followers 55And he too fled, his shoes squeaking along
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Sep 19, 2014 22:05
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Parallax Scroll posted:muhammad and socrates existed stupid Probably. Point is, there's no written accounts of them during their lifetime and no more proof they were around than Jesus, you ugly retard.
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Last Buffalo posted:Probably. Point is, there's no written accounts of them during their lifetime and no more proof they were around than Jesus, you ugly retard. There are written accounts of both of them during their lifetimes. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Troll Bridgington posted:jesus did exist and he was a gay black person hth That wasn't Jesus.
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Sep 20, 2014 12:47
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Last Buffalo posted:Probably. Point is, there's no written accounts of them during their lifetime and no more proof they were around than Jesus, you ugly retard. yeah there totally aren't any written accounts from muhammeds life, i mean aside from that one book he wrote that became the basis of a major world religion
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Sep 20, 2014 13:38
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Last Buffalo posted:Probably. Point is, there's no written accounts of them during their lifetime and no more proof they were around than Jesus, you ugly retard. I was bothered that I didn't provide a source so here is a good source about Socrates: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socrates/#ThrPriSouAriXenPla talking about three people that knew socrates during his lifetime and wrote about him in different perspectives. The argument that says we don't know whether socrates really existed or not is bogus.
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yeah well jesus is in a book, and that book is called the bible, i suggest you get to reading it before the big guy upstairs gives you the ultimate pop quiz
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Tiler Kiwi posted:yeah well jesus is in a book, and that book is called the bible, i suggest you get to reading it before the big guy upstairs gives you the ultimate pop quiz Who wrote that?
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Cream_Filling posted:Lol all i ever do is point out raally boring mainstream consensus beccause goons are super ignorant of normal scholarship versus millions of words from some internet sperg on rationalist revilution dot com lol "normal scholarship" aka "appeals to authority"
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The Quran Gum posted:yeah there totally aren't any written accounts from muhammeds life, i mean aside from that one book he wrote that became the basis of a major world religion The Quran wasn't written down until after Muhammad died, and was recorded from several oral accounts. Also, it's full of fantastic poo poo, so maybe not a super reliable text. What we don't have is a contemporary account by someone who met or heard about Muhammad during his lifetime. I'm not saying this proves he didn't exist, but it doesn't prove he does either. My point is that if you deny the historical Jesus was real, there's plenty of other figures who don't have a lot if great proof they're real either.
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ashgromnies posted:lol "normal scholarship" aka "appeals to authority" yeah i get all my history from the internet, gently caress all them professor bitches
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Last Buffalo posted:My point is that if you deny the historical Jesus was real, there's plenty of other figures who don't have a lot if great proof they're real either. I wonder if anyone else figured that out yet.
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naem posted:Fun fact- baphomet, the goat man guy, not a real thing. Fun facts: The crusader/Templar Baphomet didn't involve any goat imagery at all. That sculpture is clearly based off of Eliphas Levis drawing of Baphomet (The Sabbatic Goat) from the 19th century. Baphomet =/= Satan (you can blame LaVey for that confusion). If you're going to be smug about being right about evil at least get it right.
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EmptyVessel posted:Fun facts: Seems like it's easy enough to reconcile this by saying Baphomet is the form Muhammad took on after he died and Satan made him a demon lord as a reward for creating another religion to rival christianity
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Cream_Filling posted:yeah i get all my history from the internet, gently caress all them professor bitches the arguments on those links i posted from rational-revolution.lol.com stand on their own. g.a. wells and robert price have also written good and convincing books on the subject. the "consensus" arguments that jesus definitely existed, meanwhile, are not very satisfying in comparison. believe what you want though, appeals to authority and "lol internet spergs" and all that.
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Sep 20, 2014 19:01
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EmptyVessel posted:Fun facts: Yes I too read the Wikipedia article
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LifeSizePotato posted:the arguments on those links i posted from rational-revolution.lol.com stand on their own. g.a. wells and robert price have also written good and convincing books on the subject. the "consensus" arguments that jesus definitely existed, meanwhile, are not very satisfying in comparison. believe what you want though, appeals to authority and "lol internet spergs" and all that. yees im going to ignore experts who spend decades studying primary texts and archaeology and instead spend hours of my own time reading someones html page filled with bible quotes if i wanted to that id become a christian
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Cream_Filling posted:yees im going to ignore experts who spend decades studying primary texts and archaeology and instead spend hours of my own time reading someones html page filled with bible quotes just keep waving that hand
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quote:Despite arguments put forward by authors who have questioned the existence of a historical Jesus, there remains a nearly universal consensus agreement among historical-critical biblical scholarship that Jesus lived,[7][8][9][10][11][12][13] but they differ about the accuracy of the accounts of his life quote:nearly universal consensus can we stop with this poo poo now
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Sep 20, 2014 19:41
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naem posted:Yes I too read the Wikipedia article There's a wikipedia article?* (And if you did read it why'd you make your mistakes?) *I own LaVeys 'Satanic Bible' and Levis 'Transcendental magic' in hardcopy. Relics of a mis-placed youth pre-internet, I'm ancient.
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Sep 20, 2014 20:01
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Aren't there actual bloodlines tied to Muhammed, though? Jesus got the crux before he could boff a chick.
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Sep 20, 2014 20:26
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I sacrificed a cat for the power to get past the maze, then found out they show you on the last page.
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Sep 20, 2014 20:38
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^^^Silly. Everyone knows that it's mice that are good at mazes.
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EmptyVessel posted:^^^Silly. I don't know how Satan worship works. I just kill stuff and hope Satan is happy.
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EmptyVessel posted:There's a wikipedia article?* I called baphomet slenderman and the goatman for comedic purposes here on general bullshit, the forum for cattes
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less words more epic shops
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EmptyVessel posted:*I own LaVeys 'Satanic Bible' and Levis 'Transcendental magic' in hardcopy. Oh it's that guy
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