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ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug
Though when it comes to people showing up to a bar and buying 3-4$ bottles of coors light the whole night I do kind of question their sense yeah. Micros are often not really much more expensive on draft than they are bottled.

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a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
i buy draft beer......to feed to my horses!

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Unfortunately, this Williamsburg tasting room isn’t open to the public nightly. That’s why the place is packed every Friday night with hipsters, beer aficionados and single ladies looking for a strong beau and a brew. Owners stick to a bare-bones warehouse vibe with long beer hall tables set up among towering vats. Customers sit on bags of barley when seats run out. No food is served, so pizza guys from the neighborhood parlors constantly deliver. Everyone’s favorite Brooklyn brew wildly varies from their simple crisp lager to their incredibly complex Brooklyner-Schneider Hopfen-Weisse. WOOF!

Trixie Hardcore
Jul 1, 2006

Placeholder.

Crewmine posted:

sorry guys i'll be back in a few, just going to lock myself in a toilet cubicle to eat my sandwich and drink a couple cans, don't want the staff to see me

Find out what kind of plates & glasses the bar uses and buy a set of those to sneak into the bar so your food and beer look like they came from the bar. You should also sew yourself a duplicate of the bar's uniform (this part is easy, sometimes it's just street clothes and an apron) and when you are ready to eat & drink with your friends go to the restroom, change into the uniform, assemble the food & drink from wherever you were hiding it on your person (if they use trays to serve you need to sneak one of those in too), don't forget to disguise yourself and have a quick backstory ready for your "waiter" character in case you are stopped and questioned on the way back to your seat, be prepared to play along and if necessary take some orders from the other patrons and deflect suspicion by bussing a few tables, then deliver your homemade "order", return to the bathroom, get out of your waiter costume, hide or dispose of the evidence and return to your seat to enjoy your meal. If anyone seems suspicious just throw them off track by explaining that you placed your order when you got up and you took so long because you were masturbating/couldn't stop making GBS threads/etc.

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Rusty Cleveland endures regular wisecracks from 30 Rock to LeBron’s free agency. Despite this, or because of it, the city knows its beer. The local brew of choice is Great Lakes, located downtown in a two-storied warehouse brewpub. The seasonal Christmas Ale may be the best holiday beer around with its strength (7.5% ABV) and smooth, hoppy cinnamon flavor. Its popularity spawned a local hit song and packs the building annually when the beer is released. The 20-year-old brewery produces a range of flavorsome, cleverly named brews that are so strong, they wrap Clevelanders in an invisible coat of confidence. WOOF!

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Dry Dock is considered one of Colorado's best microbreweries, which is saying a lot considering the heavy competition of great beers made across that state. The tasting room keeps tight hours and isn’t much on atmosphere, but the beer is so good that the four-year-old company has been voted Best Brewpub in the Denver area three years running. You’ll swear the U-Boat Hefeweizen is straight from Germany and its Urca Vanilla Porter packs more vanilla than an Asher Roth concert. WOOF! WOOF!

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

a starwar betamax posted:

i buy draft beer......to feed to my horses!

Draft Horses? :haw:

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

VendaGoat posted:

Draft Horses? :haw:

and... thank you

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Beer drinkers don’t encounter the word “microbrew” much anymore. One reasons why this is so is because in the rapidly expanding craft brewer scene, popular independent beer brands like Samuel Adams, Sierra Nevada, and Fat Tire are too successful to be considered “micro.” The preferred term now is “craft beer.” But there’s much discussion—and quite a bit of bitterness—about which brews are truly deserving of the label.

The Colorado-based Brewers Association, which represents more than 1,700 brewers in the U.S., has three criteria for a business to be defined as an American craft brewer: It must be small, independent, and traditional. More specifically, the brewer must produce no more than 6 million barrels of beer annually, less than one-quarter of the business can be owned or controlled by a company that’s not a craft brewer, and the products must be made with traditional ingredients such as malted barley.

It’s that second characteristic (the brewer’s independence) that has become the most contentious issue among beer makers. Blue Moon and Shock Top are the two highest-profile examples of brews that are not made by independent companies—their parent companies are MillerCoors and Anheuser-Busch InBev, respectively—yet which market themselves as craft beers. The Brewers Association and others have come to categorize such brews as “crafty” beers because manufacturers and marketers seem to deliberately conceal their true corporate heritage.

This summer, the “craft” question came to the forefront thanks to the August issue of Consumer Reports, which included a story rating craft beers—and which included Shock Top, Goose Island, Blue Moon, and other beers that are produced by companies that the Brewers Association doesn’t consider to be craft brewers. The editors acknowledged the Brewers Association guidelines before disregarding them, stating, “For the purpose of this report, we included craft beers that market themselves as such as opposed to making selections based solely on barrel production or company ownership percentages.”

CR’s craft beer report drove beer geeks crazy, especially because Shock Top, which is made by the same people who bring you Budweiser and Busch Light, was rated as one of the best craft ales. The Beer and Whiskey Bros blog wrote that the inclusion of “crafty” beers in the article “makes Consumer Reports look pretty stupid,” and that the editors must have been drunk when putting together the study.

While the presence of Shock Top and Blue Moon in the CR report caused many beer lovers to spit out their drinks in surprise and frustration, the article also included brands like Kona Brewing Company. That brand is part of the Craft Brew Alliance. So surely it’s OK to call Kona a craft beer, right? Not according to the Brewers Association guidelines. One-third of the Craft Brew Alliance, which calls itself an “independent craft brewing company,” is owned by Anheuser-Busch InBev. So Craft Brew Alliance beers aren’t craft brews, per the Brewers Association.

Unsurprisingly, the brewers and businesspeople being accused of producing inauthentic and misleading “faux craft” craft beers aren’t simply swallowing the criticism quietly. Tom Long, CEO of MillerCoors, has been the most outspoken defender of “crafty” brands like his company’s Blue Moon. “Blue Moon Brewing Co. has been around long before the vast majority of craft brewers,” Long said recently in the interview, quoted by Bloomberg News. “What exactly is crafty about that?”


“Whatever style beer you might prefer, all we ask is that you judge us by the quality of the beer in the glass,” Long wrote in an opinion piece at CNN.

Goose Island, a Chicago-based brewer that was purchased by Anheuser-Busch in 2011, continues to think of itself as a craft brewer to this day. “Goose Island is a craft beer, period,” Goose Islander founder John Hall said in a statement when asked for comment. “The so-called definition of craft beer has evolved over the years. Both the brewery size and ingredients have been changed. I believe the beer drinkers are the ones who truly decide what is a craft beer or isn’t.”

And what do beer drinkers think? Last week, Beer Advocate readers began weighing in on the topic via an online poll asking how they define “craft.” Though there haven’t been a ton of votes yet, and the sampling is not random or statistically accurate, the most popular answer has been that the term “relates to the quality of the beer.” Only 14% said that the word relates to the Brewers Association guidelines; an equal percentage agreed with the statement that “craft” does not have any meaning.

Julia Herz, the Brewers Association’s craft beer program director, said via e-mail, “The Brewers Association does not define what craft beer is. That is up to the individual beer lover to discern.” Nonetheless, Herz defended the association’s particular usage of the “craft” label. “Craft brewer is not a marketing term,” she explained. “It is a description of a brewer who is different from the global brewing giants.”

Even more importantly, the Brewers Association sees the battle as one for truth in advertising. “If the lines continue to get blurred and ‘craft’ becomes commoditized, small and independent brewers will have a harder and harder time selling their products, getting shelf space, tap handles and placement on restaurant menus,” said Herz. “When a beer lover cares about transparency in brands that has nothing to do with being snobby. Beer lovers have a right to know when they are purchasing a product from a small and independent craft brewer or from a large globally owned brewery.”

Representing the beer geeks, Jim Galligan of Beer and Whiskey Bros said that while he mostly agrees with the Brewers Association’s guidelines regarding the “craft” label, “I also think a lot depends on if a brewer’s heart is in the right place.”

“The size of the brewery and who owns the brand isn’t the main issue,” he explained. “It’s really about a brewer trying to make the best product they can imagine, putting quality and flavor ahead of dollars and sense.” And Galligan and many others feel that “for mega brewers like A-B InBev and MillerCoors, and their ‘crafty’ brands like Shock Top, Batch 19 and Landshark Lager might look the part, but they really don’t taste the part.”

Though some may view the whole “craft beer” labeling debate as annoying and pretentious, Galligan sees the discussion as important for beer lovers everywhere. “People demanding an honestly good product is a good thing,” he said. It’s not remotely snobby or silly that people care enough about good beer to want to protect the scene from corporate brewers “who are simply looking to cash in without making meaningful contributions to craft beer culture,” Galligan said.

Ultimately, it all comes back to producing the best product possible, he said. “I think most people just want delicious and interesting beers to drink, and the size of the brewery that makes them matters far less than the quality of what’s in their glass.”

WOOF, WOOF.... WOOF!

Monday_
Feb 18, 2006

Worked-up silent dork without sex ability seeks oblivion and demise.
The Great Twist
What I don't get is the construction workers who go to the bar during lunch and order $6 bottles of Budweiser when you can get a pint of decent craft beer for $7.

Also if a beer costs $3 you live in the middle of loving nowhere.


Edit: Now that I think about it the bar I used to drink at had $3 domestic bottles on Wednesdays and that was back when Budweiser was making American Ale which was actually decent.

Monday_ fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Sep 17, 2014

Grin and Tonic
Oct 20, 2008

having a blast online

Robo Reagan posted:

oh good another loving thread where some retard is unable to comprehend why people do things

Cnut the Great
Mar 30, 2014
i admit i would prefer it if beer cost less at bars. like if it was free that would make me really happy. i'm pretty spergy though. i'm a sperglord

Themistocles
Nov 7, 2003

Fighting for democracy since 483 BC

Robo Reagan posted:

oh good another loving thread where some retard is unable to comprehend why people do things

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
ME: walking into local micro brewary for some tasty craft brews with my friends
(this is what you can see p much any friday!)

naem
May 29, 2011

Trixie Hardcore posted:

Find out what kind of plates & glasses the bar uses and buy a set of those to sneak into the bar so your food and beer look like they came from the bar. You should also sew yourself a duplicate of the bar's uniform (this part is easy, sometimes it's just street clothes and an apron) and when you are ready to eat & drink with your friends go to the restroom, change into the uniform, assemble the food & drink from wherever you were hiding it on your person (if they use trays to serve you need to sneak one of those in too), don't forget to disguise yourself and have a quick backstory ready for your "waiter" character in case you are stopped and questioned on the way back to your seat, be prepared to play along and if necessary take some orders from the other patrons and deflect suspicion by bussing a few tables, then deliver your homemade "order", return to the bathroom, get out of your waiter costume, hide or dispose of the evidence and return to your seat to enjoy your meal. If anyone seems suspicious just throw them off track by explaining that you placed your order when you got up and you took so long because you were masturbating/couldn't stop making GBS threads/etc.

SaMe

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Shadow Puppet Of posted:

You are going to love life when China becomes a true superpower and begins to spread its cultural wings.



that piss from a child a chinese mom let her son do in public, also poo poo

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Nonsense posted:

that piss from a child a chinese mom let her son do in public, also poo poo

also better known by the popular national brand name, Tsingtao

Dely Apple
Apr 22, 2006

Sing me Spanish Techno


a starwar betamax posted:

ME: walking into local micro brewary for some tasty craft brews with my friends
(this is what you can see p much any friday!)



nice pupys

EMILY BLUNTS
Jan 1, 2005

Parallax Scroll posted:

op has a point though, that beer only costs the bar a quarter since they buy the bags of beer syrup in bulk and mark it way up

PBR is like when you order 7up and they dont know the syrup has run out so it's just bubbly water

Musket
Mar 19, 2008
Booze markup is a lot more profitable than food markup vs labor costs. Shut up OP.

neonburzt
Jul 25, 2010

Trixie Hardcore posted:

Find out what kind of plates & glasses the bar uses and buy a set of those to sneak into the bar so your food and beer look like they came from the bar. You should also sew yourself a duplicate of the bar's uniform (this part is easy, sometimes it's just street clothes and an apron) and when you are ready to eat & drink with your friends go to the restroom, change into the uniform, assemble the food & drink from wherever you were hiding it on your person (if they use trays to serve you need to sneak one of those in too), don't forget to disguise yourself and have a quick backstory ready for your "waiter" character in case you are stopped and questioned on the way back to your seat, be prepared to play along and if necessary take some orders from the other patrons and deflect suspicion by bussing a few tables, then deliver your homemade "order", return to the bathroom, get out of your waiter costume, hide or dispose of the evidence and return to your seat to enjoy your meal. If anyone seems suspicious just throw them off track by explaining that you placed your order when you got up and you took so long because you were masturbating/couldn't stop making GBS threads/etc.

Fart.Bleed.Repeat.
Sep 29, 2001

qunatity over quality

Boinks
Nov 24, 2003



I dunno why anyone would want to order draft when you get get it... ice cold... in the bottle!

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

Boinks posted:

I dunno why anyone would want to order draft when you get get it... ice cold... in the bottle!

quoting for the ban

Boinks
Nov 24, 2003



a starwar betamax posted:

quoting for the ban

No I actually get my Miller Lite in the bottle. It comes in this weird bottle with a twisted neck that makes it taste better.

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
lol if youre not imbibing all liquids by means of vortex

Boinks
Nov 24, 2003



a starwar betamax posted:

lol if youre not imbibing all liquids by means of vortex

Hell yeah for reals.

Hobohemian
Sep 30, 2005

by XyloJW

Boinks posted:

Hell yeah for reals.



Wait, what's the point of a special bottle if you pour it into a glass? Doesn't that defy the entire point?

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Hobohemian posted:

Wait, what's the point of a special bottle if you pour it into a glass? Doesn't that defy the entire point?

Please cleanse the rational thoughts from your head with more malted hops.

Musket
Mar 19, 2008

Hobohemian posted:

Wait, what's the point of a special bottle if you pour it into a glass? Doesn't that defy the entire point?

CUZ ITS A POUR FRIENDLY BOTTLE!!!!

Hobohemian
Sep 30, 2005

by XyloJW

VendaGoat posted:

Please cleanse the rational thoughts from your head with more malted hops.

They should introduce non-screw lids. Sealed extra tight for extra flavor.

the Pixies fukken SUCKED
Jul 16, 2003

Figure 2 in a series of 3
i guess some people really dont get the whole 'discretionary income that i dont spend on videogames' thing

Razorwired
Dec 7, 2008

It's about to start!

Melchior posted:

i guess some people really dont get the whole 'discretionary income that i dont spend on videogames' thing

I don't know why you losers go out "to da club" all the time. All I need is half a can of pabst and Destiny to have a good time #gameryolo #menhaveclass #fedoraswag

the Pixies fukken SUCKED
Jul 16, 2003

Figure 2 in a series of 3
whats really funny is that i agonize about buying a $15 game on steam but then i go to the bar for a gig and easily spend that much without trying and don't even give a poo poo

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Hobohemian posted:

Wait, what's the point of a special bottle if you pour it into a glass? Doesn't that defy the entire point?
I believe they claimed the vortex bottle reduced resulted in a gentler pour with less foam. I'm pretty doubtful it does anything other than look novel though.

Modern Day Hercules
Apr 26, 2008

Melchior posted:

whats really funny is that i agonize about buying a $15 game on steam but then i go to the bar for a gig and easily spend that much without trying and don't even give a poo poo

That's because you're a human being.

Hobohemian
Sep 30, 2005

by XyloJW

ArbitraryC posted:

I believe they claimed the vortex bottle reduced resulted in a gentler pour with less foam. I'm pretty doubtful it does anything other than look novel though.

No, I can imagine people who drink coors don't know how to lift and tilt a glass 45 degrees before pouring.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Hobohemian posted:

No, I can imagine people who drink coors don't know how to lift and tilt a glass 45 degrees before pouring.
The best part is for most beers you're supposed to pour vigorously and let the head die down a bit before drinking, sort of similar to how you are supposed to let wine "breath" so its a problem that really doesn't even need to be solved in the first place.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


a starwar betamax posted:

i buy draft beer......to feed to my horses!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4

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nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
lookit this guy has no friends to go to the bar with doesn't "get" socializing or "having a good time"

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