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Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

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sure, experiments are fun

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Jan 2, 2005

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confirmed

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Jan 2, 2005

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Lumpen posted:

I look forward to having some challenge data to analyze. I want to gauge the effectiveness of my skills in this new context.

I don't feel that I need powers to find Scum. I intend to remain Vanilla.

i think buying stuff is good just to try and make sure scum doesn't have it.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Mills posted:

Hi. I'm at work / busy day / deadline in Beard Mafia. I'll read and contribute tomorrow morning AEST. Thanks.

i have also been horribly busy all day. this will get my attention when i get home.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Harold Krell posted:

Regardless of whether you're at work or at home, if you can post a message like this, you can post an actual response. These types of messages in Mafia are absolutely pointless.

bullshit.

i can't access pms from my phone, and i wanted to be able to take a look at my own stats before i jumped on the train of casing people based on contribution to the challenge, or lack thereof. i'd rather let people know i'm reading and keeping up than just being totally awol, especially when this game has been so ACTION-PACKED.

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Jan 2, 2005

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oh hey, now that i look at it, literally your only contribution since 'confirmed' was that little gem. i think that makes you even less productive than tastee.

anyway, i'm in the camp that just doesn't understand why rascyc would be so eager to claim his meager contribution if he was scum. something about that doesn't sit right. then again, he's been both offering and denying more information than anybody has asked of him, which isn't quite sitting right.

i don't even with merk. and i'd raise an eyebrow at rarity's aggression, but the numbers did add up, but there were compelling enough arguments for scum to want to pass the first couple of these, so it's turning real wifom real fast with her.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Rascyc posted:

What's your point here about merk?

context suggests there is a serious meta with him and i will not pretend to understand it.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Harold Krell posted:

Okay, it's been two days without a single person posting. Can you guys put in a little more effort now since the deadline is coming up tomorrow?


First of all, I have been swamped in my career so I lack the time to catch up on this thread at all hours of the day, but at least I can read it whenever I have the opportunity seeing how it's the weekend and NO ONE has been posting at all. Secondly, I am unfamiliar with the format of this type of mafia game so of course I am going to need some time to adjust to get my bearings straight. Would you rather have me speak with an uneducated opinion and only bring townies down even further? This is a legitimate question that deserves a legitimate answer.


It is impossible to 100% correctly determine scum without a shadow of a doubt on day 1 due to the fact that there is so little evidence to be aware of. However, such a behavior is incredibly detrimental to the game and regardless of whether or not this person is scum, their actions are still outright disrespectful and people like this should be open to scrutiny if they continue to act in such a way.

this type of post is useless. you may as well not post at all.

to be clear: just because you used 500x more words than i did doesn't mean you said anything different than i did.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Harold Krell posted:

However, now that you're here, I'd like some more questions answered. How experienced are you at playing mafia? Is this your first game? Do you know what evidence is and how to use it in order to make decisive facts? I want to know what level of ignorance you have regarding this game in general.

a) not very

b) no

c) wow. rude.

d) wow. rude.

i did actually check you out on votefinder, and you are not that much more experienced than i am. way to be condescending, flippant, and completely unhelpful.

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Jan 2, 2005

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hey taste you're not wrong.

Harold Krell posted:

It is impossible to 100% correctly determine scum without a shadow of a doubt on day 1 due to the fact that there is so little evidence to be aware of. However, such a behavior is incredibly detrimental to the game and regardless of whether or not this person is scum, their actions are still outright disrespectful and people like this should be open to scrutiny if they continue to act in such a way.

i dunno dude. this guy should practice what he preaches before slamming me with baseless attacks.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Rarity posted:

Krell, can we go back to the time when you didn't play mafia?

:laugh:

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Jan 2, 2005

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Opopanax posted:

I don't really see anything wrong with that post. At least he's doing something

no he isn't. his posting is the model of how to be verbose without actually saying anything. it's meant to look like he's putting in effort, but he's passing the buck hardcore.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Harold Krell posted:

I am not being rude. I am just not letting my emotions get the better of me. The key to finding scum is to think RATIONALLY and not be flippant anytime makes an accusation. You would benefit from knowing that fact.

Also, saying "no" and "rude" does not count as an adequate response. Please give me better responses soon.

no was the truthful answer. rude calls them dumb questions. poo poo talk all you wish, but do not insult my intelligence.

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Jan 2, 2005

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torn between him and rascyc

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Jan 2, 2005

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Kerro posted:

I don't know about 'we', but I'm voting him because he's been actively responding with meaningless posts to some of the posts calling him out for being mean, while ignoring/not responding to any of the posts (including my own) asking for commentary on who he thinks is scum/the outcome of the challenge etc.

I haven't played in a while so I have no idea what people's normal play is like, so maybe merk regularly doesn't read the thread/pay attention to what's going on and Krell normally noise-posts all over the place, but it seems scummy to me.

Harold Krell posted:

No. That is NOT a truthful answer. You are either not understanding what I am saying or you are deliberately bypassing the issue.

Do you not understand that YOU are insulting your own intelligence by giving half-hearted responses?

This is what I am going to do:

##vote Propaganda Machine

Do you see that?

That is a single vote against you.

I'm not sure you are paying attention to anything else in the game right now, but you are beginning to irritate a lot of people in this game. You are constantly hounding specifically me and you are side-stepping important issues, and this type of antisocial behavior is starting to bring this game to a halt at a critical time. Now, if you continue to be stubborn, it won't be long until everyone else turns against you. If you really are town, then you should be able to have actual responses to these questions since they don't even reflect upon your alliances in this game. Otherwise, you are actively misleading people and are attacking people just for the hell of it and whether or not you are town or scum, people will refuse to keep you in the game anyways.

this guy is hilarious. he is also apparently "a lot of people." finally, today i learned that d1 is "a critical time."

[b]##vote krell[b]

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Jan 2, 2005

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Propaganda Machine posted:

this guy is hilarious. he is also apparently "a lot of people." finally, today i learned that d1 is "a critical time."

##vote krell[b]

oh god dammit.

[b]##vote krell

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Jan 2, 2005

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##vote krell

also my diplomacy is too low for me to be able to volunteer in good conscience. good luck, guys!

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Jan 2, 2005

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Opopanax posted:

I forgot add "But at least the ones on ras have reasoning behind them"

i was sorely tempted. also, you haven't voted yet. you've basically just been telling everybody that their reads and votes are stupid.

whatcha thinking?

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Jan 2, 2005

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##unvote

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Jan 2, 2005

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Kerro posted:

Somehow 6/25 which I mentioned beforehand so that people could plan around it looks more scummy to you than 6/27 or 5/27 which are not announced? I don't even know what to say to that.

Unrelated but something else to bear in mind, whichever scum sabotaged this check would have known that they would be a potential target for votes, and so (if they'd thought this far ahead) would likely have believed that there was someone else already contributing who would be easier to paint as a target. In hindsight, this makes my case against aC look bad, but I stand by my reasoning on it. It also makes me lean towards thinking merk is town since I doubt he would have wanted to attract more scrutiny, but I'm curious to see what he makes of the challenge result.

in addition to what merk pointed out, this seems like it's meant to look quite humble, reasonable, etc., not to mention the longish post later where he ends by insisting a challenge participant should be lynched. as scum, it would guarantee him to nail a town death and buy some time for somebody else to look bad.

feels like a calculated gambit.

Poison Mushroom posted:

Mea culpa. I didn't read the thread well enough and didn't fully understand the mechanics of the challenge. Still not sure I do, but I agree that there's guaranteed scum here.

##unvote

Not sure who of the other three to vote but I agree that it's a good idea to restrict voting to the four of us.

this seems genuine. granted, i've never played with pm before.

anyway

##vote krell

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Jan 2, 2005

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hahaha oops. those k names :v:

i just woke up, okay?

vote kerro

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Jan 2, 2005

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:mad:

##vote kerro

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Jan 2, 2005

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Poison Mushroom posted:

let it not be said that I do not also blow.

:haw:

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Jan 2, 2005

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merk posted:

I want to vote PM because I am pretty sure that I'm right about the Mills meta.

this is fair, but it's possible that they both takes the challenge, especially if pm didn't have the chance to check scumdoc before volunteering. which case do you like better?

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Jan 2, 2005

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merk posted:

I want to vote PM because I am pretty sure that I'm right about the Mills meta.

*tanked (phone post)

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Jan 2, 2005

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yeah, that's what people think happened.

i think it's more unlikely just from benefit of the doubt for the replacement, but it's still one of the three of you.

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Jan 2, 2005

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apostateCourier posted:

It's either you, or merk, or we're all just phenomenally stupid and someone hit the wrong key when sending their volunteer PM to somber.

at least the townie we lynched admitted that votes on him would be valid.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Opopanax posted:

Why rarity instead of aC? There is for sure at least 1 scum on that last mission.

yeah, rarity claimed high in the challenge that succeeded. what's your case, pm?

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Jan 2, 2005

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Propaganda Machine posted:

at least the townie we lynched admitted that votes on him would be valid.

merk posted:

I'm pretty sure it's apostateCourier. He's hiding in plain sight by fronting the contribution of 8 points. With this bid, he knows other people will bid less and when the challenge fails he won't get immediate scrutiny.

yeah, i buy it.

##vote aC

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Jan 2, 2005

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...i should know better than to cast morning votes, but i'm going to be hella busy all day, so...

##vote aC

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Jan 2, 2005

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Poison Mushroom posted:

Well, I contributed my full 5, so someone's definitely lying.

Admittedly, I was a little desperate to prove myself town since Mills completely bailed with nothing to show for it, but the math adds up that we still should have passed. Barely, but passed.


a "full 5" is not valid if only four people can contribute.

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Jan 2, 2005

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ugggggh

yeah, i'm with you guys on this one. sorry i wasn't around to volunteer in time. losing challenges stinks. and that was very, very openly reckless of pmush. if she knows she looks suspicious anyway, it seems like she's trying to tank us while she still can.

##vote mushroom

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Jan 2, 2005

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Tremendous Taste posted:

Stop voting good loving lord

fine.

##unvote

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Jan 2, 2005

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eh, just wait for the next mission. then it's lynch time.

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Jan 2, 2005

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merk posted:

In other news, I think Harold Krell might be a parachute account.

any idea who?

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Jan 2, 2005

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##volunteer

I am contributing the average acceptable amount (6).

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Jan 2, 2005

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sorry i'm a bit late here but i'm an intelligence specialist.

i actually pmed somber with a contribution before i had to leave home for the day yesterday. by the time i had a chance to check the thread on my phone, the intel challenge had been declared and all the volunteer spots had been filled.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Crossover from Mafia Discussion Thread...

This game was just unfortunately timed, I think. A lot of people are burning out on Mafia, many others (including myself) are getting a bit too busy for it, and there have been a bunch of non-traditional games recently so even if people are keen to play, they're getting a bit wacked out in the head trying to navigate each new game and its weirdo-awesome rules.

I don't sign up for things I'm not willing or able to stick with through the end. Obviously, whatever happens with those three will have an impact on the game, so I'm just going to cool my heels until we know stuff about them and their roles one way or the other.

Anyway, even if this game ends up being a bust, Somberbrero was very upfront about its experimental nature, and I really appreciate how the challenges have really driven early maneuvering and scumhunting. That's cool.

...

okay screw that back to mafia

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Jan 2, 2005

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##volunteer

i can definitely help with that. somber, just dump all of my violence points into that check. i'm just a bit busy getting something else together at this precise moment.

and yes, i am an intelligence specialist. i thought i claimed that. maybe not. gotta love phone posting.

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Jan 2, 2005

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Harold Krell posted:

Where are you getting your information from? What does it mean to say that I have intelligence?

As an overview for everyone, I usually try to post when I'm not currently at my career so I haven't really discerned anything of importance aside from standard mafia play. However, as I delved into more recent posts, I've noticed that people had been role claiming into some weird categories such as violence, intelligence, tech, and diplomacy. Does this have anything to do with the stat points with the same naming convention? I believe this is an important point that needs to be addressed immediately before the lynch.

um, your role should have you listed as some kind of specialist.

maybe if you're scum you are not noted as any kind of specialist.

this is very interesting.

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