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SHISHKABOB posted:I mean, it's true that the way "civil disobedience" is taught to use in school shows all the people who did it as heroes. This isn't really deniable. We look at the people who are being dicks and are like "don't let that black girl in the school!" and they are bad, and it's right. And we look at the guy in a peaceful march getting blasted by a firehose and he is a cool guy and the people doing that are bad, and that's right. i cant believe u wrote something so coherent. if i need a post, i just paste something relevant because i'm a miserable sack of poo poo in a comfortable position (flaming on the principal's doorstep) can i offer u drugs and/or alcohol to calm your hysteria?
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i went to golden high. im glad i didnt have to deal with lovely conservative history class while i was there.
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Sep 26, 2014 02:55
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this is also racist as gently caress, because you know by civil disobedience they really mean the civil rights movement
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Sep 26, 2014 02:56
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Moridin920 posted:this is also racist as gently caress, because you know by civil disobedience they really mean the civil rights movement why couldn't those black people just be nicer about it?
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Sep 26, 2014 02:57
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Moridin920 posted:this is also racist as gently caress, because you know by civil disobedience they really mean the civil rights movement I think they mean, "questioning the government". Each citizen should know his place in the line and stop pestering the officials with this freedom non-sense.
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Sep 26, 2014 02:59
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Attention Whore posted:
Gee, I wonder why? 
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won't someone protect the poor billionaires
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Sep 26, 2014 03:01
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Trochanter posted:Gee, I wonder why? That's just your liberal education talking.
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Drink Cheerwine posted:*farts philosophically* How can we be certain you did not smell it? This smacks of revisionism all the way.
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Branded: Corporations and our Schools by Jennifer Rockne February 2002 “If you own this child at an early age, you can own this child for years to come.” –Mike Searles, former president of Kids-R-Us children’s clothing store, on marketing to kids Competition in the corporate marketing arena is fierce. No news there. But as companies vie for brand recognition, brand loyalties, and market share, schools have emerged as lucrative marketing venues. Ongoing funding challenges faced by public schools have enabled marketers to jump in with “donations”-free or low-cost supplemental materials, equipment, and cash. What does this mean for our kids and schools? The following excerpt, from a letter to principals of School District 11 in Colorado Springs, Colorado, from John Bushey, the district’s director of “school leadership,” demonstrates one effect of corporate influence in our schools. One year into an $8 million exclusive vending contract with Coca-Cola Corp., Bushey wrote: Dear Principal: Here we are in year two of the great Coke contract.we must sell 70,000 cases of the product.. Here is how we can do it: Allow students to purchase and consume vended products throughout the day. If sodas are not allowed in classes, consider allowing the juices, teas and waters. John Sheehan, vice president of the Douglas County, Colorado, school board, was the sole dissenter to a 10-year, $27.7 million deal struck between a three-school district consortium and Coca-Cola. Sheehan explains vividly the challenge of providing quality public education on a tight budget: Education and marketing are like oil and water. Public education has an agenda that is already crowded enough. When we become marketers and distributors, we confuse our mission. I worry about a time when our educational goals might be influenced or even set by private companies targeting our students with their own narrow messages. . .Yes, schools need money, but turning to commercial sales for income is a cop-out. It sends the message to our voters and legislators that we can let them off the hook-that advertising and sales of consumer products can fill the gap when it comes to supporting education. Are corporations, with priorities of profit and shareholder return, proper partners for public education? The Commercialism in Education Research Unit at Arizona State University, in a study released September 2001, indicated commercializing activity in and around schools has increased nearly 500 percent since 1990. Children encounter the corporatization of their schools in their cafeterias, their classrooms, their buses, and on their stadium scoreboards. Companies engage kids by distributing free product samples and coupons through their schools. Even learning itself is laced with commercialism: textbooks feature brand-name products to demonstrate math and science problems, and advertisements saturate classroom magazines and television programs. Methods Corporations Use to “Go To School” Electronic marketing such as Channel One,a daily, ad-bearing news program for grades 6-12 broadcast “free” to 40% of all schools contracting it as a mandatory part of the curriculum. The incentive to schools? Installation and unlimited use of the provided satellite dish, VCRs, and classroom TVs. Channel One Communications owns, maintains, and insures the equipment–and repossesses it if the school drops its contract. Two minutes of each daily 12-minute program contain commercials for which corporations pay over $800 million yearly to deliver their propaganda to 8 million captive students. “The advertiser gets a group of kids who cannot go to the bathroom, who cannot change the station. . .who cannot have their headsets on.” –Channel One executive Joel Babbit on value for advertisers. Exclusive agreements to sell or use products, primarily with companies like Pepsi and Coca-Cola. (Has your child asked for money for Friday’s Taco Bell lunch?) So-called “shoe schools” arise from athletic shoe agreements with corporations like Nike and Reebok-and add unintended stress on schools that compete for students in open-enrollment districts. Incentive programs like General Mills’ Box Tops for Education, Pizza Hut’s Book It!, and Campbell’s Soups’ Labels for Education encourage school fund raisers to influence family purchases of specific brands or to frequent certain businesses. In-school fundraisers using items like magazines or candy turn kids into salespeople. Company sponsors gain an unpaid sales force and can inflate prices since the enterprise appears charitable. Increasingly, schools are engaging in the absurd practice of encouraging purchases from certain websites like schoolpop.com, robbing their community businesses and their own sales tax base-a key part of school funding in many districts! Another ethically questionable appeal urges parents to acquire and use credit cards that provide a kickback to schools, condoning consumerism and debt. Sponsored Educational Materials SEMs are best described as public relations materials disguised to look like classroom activities and lesson plans a la the Chips Ahoy counting game in which kids calculate the number of chocolate chips in their cookies. Even more disturbing are nutrition lessons taught by McDonald’s and environmental issues discussed by the Shell and Chevron Corporations, all contained in widely distributed resources. Sponsorship of programs and activities such as Canon’s National “Envirothon” high school competition and “Coke in Education Day.” Now, some high school regional and state athletic championship games–and even regions themselves–have corporate sponsors. Wells Fargo bank paid $12,000 for naming rights to an athletic conference in central Arizona. Contests sponsored by companies like Brainstorm USA through schools to obtain demographic information on students and parents for marketing purposes. Companies are promised a potential market of over 14,000 teachers and two million students. Privatization that shifts school or program management from public accountability to private, for-profit corporations whose accountability is to stockholders, such as Edison Schools, Inc. You have to wonder…if teachers gain stock options after a year’s tenure, where do their loyalties lie? Can we Rely on Teachers? While some argue that teachers can serve as gatekeepers against biased messages often found in sponsored materials, most teachers haven’t been taught how, may not see the need, or lack knowledge in the topic addressed. Similarly, claiming teachers can defuse advertising messages in sponsored materials and programs and salvage something worthwhile from them is like using textbooks containing gender or ethnic discrimination and claiming it’s a good way to teach about diversity. “The only genuinely educational use I can see for corporate propaganda in the classroom is to inoculate students against it, so that they will not swallow it uncritically without considering other sides of the question.” David Lunney, teacher, Greenville, NC Why Target Kids at School? America’s kids represent a large and growing market. Elementary-aged children spend around $15 billion per year and influence another $160 billion of their parents’ spending. Teenagers have even greater economic clout, spending $57 billion personally and another $36 billion of their families’ money annually. Are Corporation Solving Financial Troubles? Taxpayers fund classroom time that is being wasted on ads. A 1998 study by educator Alex Molnar and economist Max Sawicky indicated that taxpayers in the U.S. pay $1.8 billion per year for the class time–twelve minutes spent by students on the required nine out of ten school days–lost to Channel One. Channel One’s commercials alone cost taxpayers $300 million per year, and taxpayer cost for just the advertising time exceeds the equipment’s total value. Citizens can act to keep schools free of commercialism schools in several ways: 1. Support adoption and enforcement of guidelines ensuring public debate on commercialized money offers and keep commercially-sponsored programs out of classrooms (contact us for specific local and state model policies). 2. Teach children to evaluate commercial content and bias in materials they receive in school, Tv shows, commercials and other sources. Discuss your purchasing and finance decisions with kids where appropriate ReclaimDemocracy.org is developing and testing a critical thinking curriculum for use in K-12 classrooms-contact us for details. 3. Raise the commercialism issue with school fundraising committees-or better yet, get involved-and directly impact how schools augment funding. 4. Proactively address the larger problem of school funding and disparities between communities, which leads well-intentioned administrators to rely on corporate sponsorship and advertising revenues. 5. Push to eliminate corporate tax breaks for contributions carrying commercial messages to schools, insisting corporations pay their fair share of school funding.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:05
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according to the man loving my wife sex is pretty great
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Sep 26, 2014 03:06
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Can't be because of robber barons, or beating striking workers, or killing union leaders, or hijacking democracy with lobbying and campaign contributions, or the special treatment of the rich before the law, or of falling standards of living in the midst of unprecedented productivity, etc. I think all those lazy poors are just jelly of their betters.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:10
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Huge Lady Pleaser posted:according to the man loving my wife sex is pretty great lmbo
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Sep 26, 2014 03:12
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Carpet posted:did they forget that whole thing where the founding fathers rebelled against the King? I love how conservatives pretend like they wouldn't have been loyalists in a heartbeat.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:56
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Izumi Konata posted:
People like this should kill themselves. Marketing and advertising people in general.
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Sep 26, 2014 04:00
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Moridin920 posted:People like this should kill themselves. lol, thats literally adlibbed from a hitler quote.
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Sep 26, 2014 04:07
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Izumi Konata posted:lol, thats literally adlibbed from a hitler quote. still, if you work in advertising or marketing kill yourself
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Sep 26, 2014 04:09
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Look, I'm just saying the families that made up the Bonus Army were just asking to die. USA! USA!
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Sep 26, 2014 04:10
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Republicans are literally less believable as characters than comic book supervillains. Republicans are less believable than the Eco-Villains from Captain Planet.
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Sep 26, 2014 04:44
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Izumi Konata posted:t4eacher: today we're going to learn about the war of 1812
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Sep 26, 2014 04:58
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this is like 80% an old school onion article designed to piss people off (conservatives included). but alas, here we are
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Sep 26, 2014 05:08
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1gnoirents posted:this is like 80% an old school onion article designed to piss people off (conservatives included). but alas, here we are
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Sep 26, 2014 05:09
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Prettz posted:The onion is obsolete. the onion never happened in fact, praise washington, support the rich
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Sep 26, 2014 05:10
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correction, the onion is no longer parody
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Sep 26, 2014 05:10
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so wait civil disobedience was always for fags americans shoot something if they get angry.
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Sep 26, 2014 05:12
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actual history has liberal bias  yeah its called reality you shitheads
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Sep 26, 2014 05:13
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maybe this is like a conservative ploy to make everybody with a brain get angry at menial poo poo like this so we dont notice really bad things to are happening. like spout insanity long enough and loud enough to the point that half the country starts believing it, the other half cant believe that half believes it because its insane, while some people somewhere reap the benefits
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Sep 26, 2014 05:14
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1gnoirents posted:maybe this is like a conservative ploy to make everybody with a brain get angry at menial poo poo like this so we dont notice really bad things to are happening. like spout insanity long enough and loud enough to the point that half the country starts believing it, the other half cant believe that half believes it because its insane, while some people somewhere reap the benefits so socialist who spout crazy poo poo and then pay politicians to turn them into robber barons? like bezos cool.
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Sep 26, 2014 05:16
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i think he means people are too busy getting mad about Petty Bullshit Thing #2123123 to notice that the transit system just got privatized or w/e, not your benzos
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Sep 26, 2014 05:20
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i'm just going to drink and get fat so i don't have to think about how the world is becoming an orwellian nightmare
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Sep 26, 2014 05:22
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if i was non-white, non-male, or of a non-christian family i would seriously be already learning a new language and working out my emigration. we're already at the late-20s germany stage.
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The Droid posted:i think he means people are too busy getting mad about Petty Bullshit Thing #2123123 to notice that the transit system just got privatized or w/e, not your benzos i didn't read thread i just posted because i could and used the name of someone rich who donates democrat.
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Sep 26, 2014 05:23
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BKPR posted:i'm just going to drink and get fat so i don't have to think about how the world is becoming an orwellian nightmare is this you?
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These people have been told all their lives that liberal academics hate America. They hate America because they're closet commies and they'll harp about genocide and strikes and boycotts. And because of that young people walk out of schools thinking America is a bad place and the American system is bad. Call me old fashioned, but I feel American history as taught in US schools ought to attempt to inculcate a love of country. But the point they're missing is that the United States is a great country precisely because we can talk about the darkness in the national history - and use those issues to give context to what's happening today. Despite all of the bad stuff, I think you can make a good argument that things got better partly because of the American system of government and not in spite of it. Airbrushing away civil disobedience is incomplete, however. The exact wording of the proposal is, of course, way too vague and poorly written. It's supposed to make sure teachers "promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights" and don't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law." It has been said in different ways already in the thread but history shouldn't really encourage anything explicitly. I mean, what does that even mean? Does learning about strikes encourage strikes? Does learning about revolution encourage revolution? I can't even imagine the most lefty lib history teacher expressly telling students to break the law. I think that one person quoted in the article when they admitted to having no heroes. They've got no heroes because the internet age has destroyed them all. That didn't require any great liberal Academic conspiracy. All you need to do is pull up a Wikipedia of Ayn Rand or Phyllis Schlafly or Ronald Reagan and the jig is up. As far as anyone else goes, they're too far gone to connect to the rest of American conservatism as the entire Republican party is more or less to the right of Nixon. Dicere fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Dicere no one in GBS needed you to say all that. We're talking about psychopaths and people who think comic book supervillains are too liberal. They're not real people, they're cockroaches, except not as intelligent.
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Sep 26, 2014 05:47
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Prettz posted:Dicere no one in GBS needed you to say all that. We're talking about psychopaths and people who think comic book supervillains are too liberal. They're not real people, they're cockroaches, except not as intelligent. / / 
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Bah. You've got a point. I've got some right-wingish family in Colorado so I guess I was unintentionally rehearsing a reasoned but wholly unnecessary explanation. Apologies. If I were kid in one of these protests, I'd just carry a sign with Tank Man on it and the caption "Can I Still Talk About THIS?"
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Sep 26, 2014 05:55
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Dicere posted:These people have been told all their lives that liberal academics hate America. They hate America because they're closet commies and they'll harp about genocide and strikes and boycotts. And because of that young people walk out of schools thinking America is a bad place and the American system is bad. What free market?
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All republicans have religion. Everyone knows you can't reason with religious people. No one ever has. The more you prove them wrong, the stronger their faith becomes. The only thing you can really do is kill them as you find them.
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Fisticuffs posted:What free market? There's the other sticking point. I honestly don't remember much from AP history, but hoo boy do I remember tariffs and anti-trust laws and the New Deal. You can't really revere a thing that's never existed.
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