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Carrier posted:Erection chat: Who are people itt planning on voting for in the next election? I see a lot of talk of the tories being hosed and the lib dems being hosed and also labour being hosed from various people so I guess it would be interesting to know rather than who people think aren't going to get in, the people they are actually going to vote for.  Current area is safe enough by the last count that even if there was some unholy coalition of Lib-Dem/Labour/BNP/UKIP tactical voting together for ?? it would still be a Tory win. Maybe UKIP will split the Tory vote this time, but I doubt it. I don't think a Green candidate is even running. Fluo posted:Tell us why we should spoil our ballots.
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Fluo posted:You know you don't have to vote for that Nazi Bob's Shitbag Party [whatever party you're talking about]. If you want them to not get their deposit back you vote for another party. It's not that hard.
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Jack the Lad posted:Spoiling your ballot accomplishes nothing but wasting your time and the ballot counter's time.
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The passport thing was lovely, but do you think that Cameron making a formal statement about the protests would have a positive effect? I'm sure that the Chinese government would resent anything that sounded like the West telling them how to handle affairs, and any support for the protesters could be spun into "The protests are supported by old colonialists, not a genuine will of the people."
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Oct 1, 2014 13:59
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mrpwase posted:I have no idea who to vote for, my new (but still rural) constituency has been Tory since 1909 (apart from two years where the MP crossed the floor to Labour), I could only genuinely vote for a party like TUSC or Left Unity, and the only small parties standing in my area last time were UKIP, BNP, Green and English Democrats. What am I meant to do? Or if you really oppose voting Green, then draw some pretty flowers instead (only so we don't get back onto dickchat).
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Oct 1, 2014 14:38
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Tory Conference by Cassetteboy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU
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Oct 1, 2014 15:57
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Wolfsbane posted:Yeah, but it's a problem in a small area, as opposed to a problem loving over the entire planet. No-one (sane) thinks nuclear energy is a panacea, but it's one step in the right direction fusion. Since the 60s, but they couldn't produce weapons grade material, so nobody liked them. But the sooner we start on it, the sooner we have them up and producing power.
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Oct 1, 2014 17:00
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Extreme0 posted:Going back to the subject of spoiled ballots for a bit. Couldn't one vote for a joke party instead if they feel unsatisfied? It would at least give some use for their ballot and plus give a little positive thumbs up for satire. *Well, I've seen several, but they're not the intentional type of joke, and I wouldn't want to give them the pleasure of thinking they have supporters.
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Oct 1, 2014 18:43
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"bringing the BNP into disrepute" I'm just going to read that a few times.
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Oct 1, 2014 22:18
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Touchdown Boy posted:Anyone who actually thinks there are people out there who think 'its better to be on benefits' have probably never been on benefits. That's the kind of thing that can be solved by universal basic income, a negative income tax, or at the very least sorting out lovely contracts and helping out people who are not able to work full time. "People on benefits don't want to work because it's too cushy" is a convenient lie for a certain breed of politician and public, and it needs to be taken out back and shot.
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Oct 2, 2014 11:22
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The core which that argument rests on is that the bottom of society are not actually part of society. Which is offensively ridiculous, but that does not stop the press and people in power from trying to push it.
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Oct 2, 2014 12:14
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big scary monsters posted:Especially the case once you factor in transport costs. If it costs you a tenner a day on the train to get to and from work then that's a fifth of pretax earnings from an 8 hour day at minimum wage gone already.
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Party Boat posted:I can't speak for other countries, but we have sovereignty of Parliament - an ECHR ruling can't force a change in the law without Parliament's consent.
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Pissflaps posted:As an aside, it's somebody's job to weed out potentially offensive UK number plates before they get issued to car dealers.
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Oct 6, 2014 00:00
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CoolCab posted:Is P1554LAP5 taken? There's a department now which goes through combinations to prevent offensive ones.  e: You can get P55 FLP for £179. Careful though, I think last month's thread established that having a custom plate put you in line for The Wall. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Oct 6, 2014 |
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Jippa posted:A 63 year old twitter troll has committed suicide after being confronted by sky. I never thought I would be typing these words in a sentence.
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The general news media has been pretty biased towards the McCanns anyway though. I'm not saying that they should have libeled them or accused them without evidence, but right after it happened the local press in Leicester was sanitizing their comments to remove anything vaguely critical of the parents. Even things as simple or uncontroversial as "They left young children alone. I think that is bad" got effectively written out of the mainstream media consensus of the case. Let's not pretend that if they were anything other than middle class white media savvy people the right wing gutter press wouldn't have jumped all over the child neglect angle. Especially child neglect to go out and get drunk.
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Coohoolin posted:One common theme is usually that exploitation and hierarchical abuse can affect upper class people for their race and gender, and thus the term "proletariat" is no longer viable as it excludes race and gender issues from a potentially unifying definition of struggle. Of course the problem there is that you end up going to far in the other direction and have everyone separate into groups dedicated specifically to certain issues (not that this is a problem) who then refuse to interact with each other because they feel their issue is dismissed by each other (this is most definitely a problem). Coohoolin posted:So I've always been of the opinion that what was needed was a reframing of the terms of debate in order to reach a reductionist binary choice- either you're exploited and harmed by the status quo, or you benefit from it. Proletariat or bourgeoisie. The trick is to redefine exploitation and harm to be as broad as possible labels for anything from financial and labour exploitation (class issues) to sexual objectification and harassment (gender issues) to racial abuse and ableism and so on and so forth. That way the term "proletariat" expands enough to be inclusive and still useful in a way that it provides those on one side with a clear end game and enemy. What are you looking in comparison with when you say 'benefit'? Compared to an ideal non-hierarchical society or just compared to the expected results of implemented solutions? Coohoolin posted:The difficulty is convincing people that more issues than their pet project matter and that you can't deal with one and not the others without being a hypocrite. Saki posted:If you're not a Marxist, you must be a Ukipping shitlord. There is no other explanation.
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Vitamin P posted:This isn't the Beeb where we can pack a bunch of right wingers in in the name of 'balance'. Do you want everyone to walk on eggshells around the special snowflakes that think Thatcherism is gonna start working any day now as long as we punish the poors a bit more? Thatcherism wants to punish them too much, the left doesn't want to punish them at all. We need to find the correct amount to punish them. 
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HorseLord posted:It's okay to eat posh crisps if someone else bought them, imo.
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Pasco posted:Anyone can (and should be) a bloody feminist. You can be heterosexual and pro-gay-rights, you can be cis and pro-trans-rights, and you can be a man and pro-womens-rights. I don't think anybody is debating that. HorseLord is (I think) saying that being pro-womens-rights doesn't automatically make you a feminist. It does sound a lot like debating around the meaning of words, but there isn't really an equivalent word for sexuality or race. e: Can a white man be a womanist though? e2: vvvvvv And that's why it keeps going in circles, it's a meaning of labels debate. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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CoolCab posted:whenever I would ask for a "for mens" cereal or candybar or toy or whatever garbage she would look at it critically and ask: "but where does the penis go?"
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Acaila posted:On the crisps front, my adoration for kettle chips and houmous is one of the things that gets "Champagne socialist" shouted at me by fellow activists. I was informed that ketchup is the only truly acceptable proletarian condiment (blegh!). More seriously though, what is it about the left that there seems to be a constant "cred-checking" of how working class you are? I've variously been told I'm not allowed to be a socialist because my family owned a home, lived in a detached house, had a family business and because I went to uni. Time to pack it up and go home everyone. 
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Are there still a few of the vaguely leftist kippers back from when it was a strange alliance of anti-neoliberalism and anti-foreigns people, or did they all get run off during the recent explosion of 'kip coverage?
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Isn't that the difference between BRITONS and British People? When talking about people, Britons tends to be used in the thinly veiled racism sense of 'indigenous', whereas British tends to be used in the sense of 'citizen'. (Is there a version of  with that gently caress Griffin crying on it?)
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keep punching joe posted:UKIP, who are actual fascists. UKIP are more the Old Tory Right, which really should be as bad a statement as saying 'actual fascists' but for different reasons.
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They're also the only party that talks about the broader issue of population instead of the easy get out of blaming it on ~the immigrants~. I can't see that being too popular though, because population growth is necessary to keep the pyramid scheme of capitalism going. Growth for the growth god! I wonder what the reaction would be if Ed turned around and launched a scathing attack on the population bubble and resource inequality instead of blaming migrants now that people are urging him to go hardline on immigration.
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If we're allowed to use mind rays, can't we just use a time machine to go back to 1994 and do a heart transplant between John Smith and Tony Blair?
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LemonDrizzle posted:what phrase would you consider appropriate to describe the Tories 
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Only when the last nation state robot has been shorted out with the severed wiring of the last corporate robot can we begin to be free. 
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Stottie Kyek posted:Question from Tim in Ruislip, to each of the leaders: which starter Pokemon did you choose and why?
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TinTower posted:The Palestine motion passed 274-12. If Cameron was consistent, he'd respect the will of Parliament and change the Government's position accordingly, yada yada yada.
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Fluo posted:Everyone has to make a living somehow. £6 for a book isn't bad, Zizek sells his for double that. 
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Don't most of those use goods price inflation rather than wage inflation?
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chippocrates posted:There's an interesting graph showing mortality/infectivity of various infectious diseases here. It's both more infectious and more deadly than H1N1, H5N1 and SARS. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:If Ebola starts spreading in London I'm going to cheer because maybe the housing market will stop being completely insane. Ebola is the cure for landlords. Although decimating the world's population through pestilence would help out with housing, wages, and unemployment in the same way that the Great Plagues helped with worker's rights. There are better ways though.
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Personal Anecdote Warning: I know people who work directly for the DWP in a civil service capacity who have confirmed that quotas and targets have been 'strongly hinted at' by higher ups, in terms of "getting [percent] of claimants off of [benefit] by whatever means", so the calls are definitely coming from inside the house. The private contractors for DWP work are often a corrupt bunch of fucks too. FWIW a lot of the people at the bottom sound like they really hate this, but don't feel in a position to change it.
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We're already over halfway there with the technological developments anyway, it's the sociological developments that are sorely lacking. (And some of those were there in the past) e: But an immigrant might get them too  so let's burn everything!
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Phoon posted:"Scottish Sun Classical Music Special" 
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I think this is all missing the real divisive issue; that 'posh' is just as classist as 'chav' and why can't people accept that going to a public school is just the result of one's parents' hard work and effort. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/nathalie-gordon/sticks-and-stones-may-bre_2_b_5983634.html Seriously.
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I don't think anybody is saying that a public/private school person can't grow up to be a socialist, and support improvement for all in place of buying their own children a better station in life that most are not able to access (I haven't seen General China in the thread for a while though). The idea that the rich and titled are somehow persecuted more than the poor and downtrodden is ridiculous though, especially in the current round of austerity. It's the class equivalent of a suburban white person getting upset that a black rapper said 'cracka' in a song.
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