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Orkin Mang posted:enormous long term imposition of a foreign administrative structure seems to be one obvious thing that makes an empire different from a raid. imposition of a lingua franca of some sort maybe. shared currency if that shits around. disallowing by law local military forces that arent auxiliaries of the dominant power. raids can be a prelude to empire, and actual empires are a bit like long term well organised plunderings, and what an empires theory of empire is (civilising the barbarians, or whatever) might be inconsistent with what their actual historical reality is (exploitation), but that doesnt mean empires dont exist yeah. empires are real. ebola is real.
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It's the last bastion of acceptable hatred amongst NPR listening college kids who still want to feel that sweet sweet hate flow through their veins. I always assume that all of the ones saying it are white. Black people don't hate white people, they hate Mexicans.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:yeah. empires are real. ebola is real. i never said ebola is real is real.
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Orkin Mang posted:enormous long term imposition of a foreign administrative structure seems to be one obvious thing that makes an empire different from a raid. imposition of a lingua franca of some sort maybe. shared currency if that shits around. disallowing by law local military forces that arent auxiliaries of the dominant power. raids can be a prelude to empire, and actual empires are a bit like long term well organised plunderings, and what an empires theory of empire is (civilising the barbarians, or whatever) might be inconsistent with what their actual historical reality is (exploitation), but that doesnt mean empires dont exist Empire is, like most "big" things, a shared delusion that people agree to go along with which keeps a system working in regular order. If no one believed in it, it wouldn't be. However it wasn't "invented" until we (Europeans) really got going with the global exploitation thing in the early modern period. Previously, shahanshahs and satraps were content to have all deify their court or whatever, but they never imagined their role was in some way salutory or culturally progressive. Racism is a construction of a European power structure, as is our notion of financially competent territorial empire. If it was as un-pervidious as a mere mugging the world would be far better off today.
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Ariza posted:It's the last bastion of acceptable hatred amongst NPR listening college kids who still want to feel that sweet sweet hate flow through their veins. I always assume that all of the ones saying it are white. Black people don't hate white people, they hate Mexicans. - rush limbaugh
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Ariza posted:It's the last bastion of acceptable hatred amongst NPR listening college kids who still want to feel that sweet sweet hate flow through their veins. I always assume that all of the ones saying it are white. Black people don't hate white people, they hate Mexicans. stop crying because you're the beneficent of 300 years of rape and robbery and own it, baby
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White is basically terrible. White bread, white flour, white sugar, white wine, everything white blows. especially the people dark bread for life yo
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Harime Nui posted:Empire is, like most "big" things, a shared delusion that people agree to go along with which keeps a system working in regular order. If no one believed in it, it wouldn't be. However it wasn't "invented" until we (Europeans) really got going with the global exploitation thing in the early modern period. Previously, shahanshahs and satraps were content to have all deify their court or whatever, but they never imagined their role was in some way salutory or culturally progressive. Racism is a construction of a European power structure, as is our notion of financially competent territorial empire. If it was as un-pervidious as a mere mugging the world would be far better off today. so are u saying they have never existed or that they have but not until starting 300 years ago, or are u saying that they exist but only as shared convictions about race with no concrete reality, or that they have a concrete reality but that that reality is a logical extension of its racial core. because none of that sounds true. people really did get permanently occupied by foreign powers that set up a legal system and military system and taxed everyone.
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Harime Nui posted:stop crying because you're the beneficent of 300 years of rape and robbery and own it, baby I'm not white in any conceivable way. It's funny watching self-hating children running around in circles though. It doesn't make up for things your great grandparents did to my great grandparents, it just makes you look pathetic.
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Harime Nui posted:Empire is, like most "big" things, a shared delusion that people agree to go along with which keeps a system working in regular order. If no one believed in it, it wouldn't be. However it wasn't "invented" until we (Europeans) really got going with the global exploitation thing in the early modern period. Previously, shahanshahs and satraps were content to have all deify their court or whatever, but they never imagined their role was in some way salutory or culturally progressive. Racism is a construction of a European power structure, as is our notion of financially competent territorial empire. If it was as un-pervidious as a mere mugging the world would be far better off today. are you seriously saying empires arent real because theyre social constructs?
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Dean of Swing posted:I'm white. Who wants to fight? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2TYKmQc0L4
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i'm from britain which is like white person's africa all i can say is i'd rather live in a white person's country than a non-white country lol
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Ariza posted:I'm not white in any conceivable way. It's funny watching self-hating children running around in circles though. It doesn't make up for things your great grandparents did to my great grandparents, it just makes you look pathetic. hey bro *holds out whiteass fist* fist pump, we coo yeh
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Harime Nui posted:Empire is, like most "big" things, a shared delusion that people agree to go along with which keeps a system working in regular order. If no one believed in it, it wouldn't be. However it wasn't "invented" until we (Europeans) really got going with the global exploitation thing in the early modern period. Previously, shahanshahs and satraps were content to have all deify their court or whatever, but they never imagined their role was in some way salutory or culturally progressive. Racism is a construction of a European power structure, as is our notion of financially competent territorial empire. If it was as un-pervidious as a mere mugging the world would be far better off today. we won get rekt nerd lmao i'll be over here playing videogames and eating all the food. siding with evropa right now.
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the "whitey" in the phrase "kill whitey" doesn't represent actual white people but instead the hierarchy of government/military/business officials commonly referred to in the 60s and 70s as "the man." it's just 90% of them happen to be extremely white for some reason, purely by coincidence i guess
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Ape Fist posted:people who guffaw about being white are usually incredibly loving white and are what people who don't guffaw about being white think about when other people say 'white people' people who guffaw about being black are usually incredibly loving black and are what people who don't guffaw about being black think about when other people say 'black people'
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You see there's white people - and there's crackas And crackas gotta go.
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It's okay to make fun of white people because they like My Little Pony. But they're also evil people who are to blame for the world's woes? 
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Cucking Mama posted:functionally white
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I'm white, but a poor I hate white people because theyre always talking about airplanes. All my life, airplanes were just those things that are really loud and low in the sky. Like, once I moved out of the poor-neighborhood, and lived in Westchester and Long Island, I always heard people talking about flying somewhere or how they just got back or how their friends/family were coming or going. Any 3-or-more day weekend involves white people talking about flying somewhere. Any extended vacation involves white people place-dropping X amount of countries and Z amount of continents they visited. LOL at being a 22 y.o. college senior and having freshman say to me "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'VE NEVER BEEN ON AN AIRPLANE?!" and even one time "YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO EUROPE?!" Working in IT, white people always pricing airplane tickets, always printing out airplane tickets. Theyve got favorites and apps and pinned tabs of airplane pricings. that's my rant. gently caress white people especially suburban white people. gently caress them and their airplanes
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I don't hate white people. I just hate everything they've ever done. hth op
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People hate whitey because he playing the game of life but with cheat-code turned on.
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i think it's funny that most major complaints about white people is that white are talking about or doing things out of reach of someone else in a lower social class than a white middle class person.
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Guns Germs Steel and Small Penises
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thought this thread said whats with the whiskey hate and was thinking of a good post that made fun of twentysomething internet gentlemen who think they're really manly and sophisticated b/c they post about expensive whiskey was v disappointed
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>read first two words of op >notice forum baby >stop reading kill whitey
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Frijolero posted:
nice job not labeling you graph idiot 
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also hispanic isn't a real race it's a term created by politicians to try and relabel a group of people so they could more effectively market to them.
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it's really hip to be a white uncle tom these days
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Oct 4, 2014 19:11
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White people will coopt anything, even hating white people.
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GrrrlSweatshirt posted:thought this thread said whats with the whiskey hate and was thinking of a good post that made fun of twentysomething internet gentlemen who think they're really manly and sophisticated b/c they post about expensive whiskey go make a parody thread aobut it
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I actually dont experience a lot of whitey hate in my daily life OP
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White people Suck. At least a bunch of the American ones feel guilty about it though, so that's cool.
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script kitty posted:it's really hip to be a white uncle tom these days a shameful cracka
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We should just take the next two years and just destroy whitey, in particular, straight white males. Just take all their jobs, possessions, kill them, rape them, spit on them. Just two years where they get totally poo poo on. Then we just call everything even and I don't have to hear another story about "twitter outrage" when some idiot white guy makes an "insensitive" statement.
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RedMage129 posted:We should just take the next two years and just destroy whitey, in particular, straight white males. Just take all their jobs, possessions, kill them, rape them, spit on them. Just two years where they get totally poo poo on. Then we just call everything even and I don't have to hear another story about "twitter outrage" when some idiot white guy makes an "insensitive" statement. 500 years would do it
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Al Cowens posted:White people will coopt anything, even hating white people. this
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The Vikings like the Mongols were barbarian raiders not interested much in empire, despite both having huge regular military victories that could easily have lead to one
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