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Word on the Wind posted:Well, this opened right up with not screwing around with making you feel bad. What have we done that was truly evil? Beyond making the pillar bloom, and murdering the tree, and yeah we're totally the baddies. But, the caterpillar was a man-eating one and would it kill Malia to tell us why making the pillars bloom is a bad idea? Before siccing her pet ent on us? It's not like Metallia would have listened but good guys ought to try anyway.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Metallia is only wearing pasties and Etna-pants, right? So what's with her profile in conversations, which looks like she's slathered in orange and white paint? Is that supposed to be some kind of artistic failure at a lighting effect? It's the shadow of her hat. I actually did originally note that you get Grade from attacking and killing enemies, then I rewrote that section and it slipped through the cracks. I'll go edit it back in. I honestly didn't mention the reaction triangle yet because it's not really very important. Also here's our episode 2 question, a bit more philosophical given we have no real information on this: What exactly do you think Forest Witch Malia did to piss in Metallia's cornflakes such that she wants her head?
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Oct 7, 2014 21:51
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Maybe you really are the legendary creature spoken of in legend.
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Oct 7, 2014 21:53
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Feinne posted:I honestly didn't mention the reaction triangle yet because it's not really very important. Yeah, I beat the game and I still only have a vague idea of how it works. I'm sure there's a loading screen that explains it well but I didn't see it. That's actually one of my biggest problems with this game, there's a lot of useful information about how the game works that you can only find on the loading screens.
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Oct 7, 2014 22:22
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Feinne posted:It's the shadow of her hat. Well it looks terrible. quote:What exactly do you think Forest Witch Malia did to piss in Metallia's cornflakes such that she wants her head? Judging by the rest of Metallia's personality so far, I'd say exist is a good enough reason.
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Oct 7, 2014 22:38
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I like that instead of letting someone escape to become a recurring boss fight later and instead of retreating from a boss that is supposedly too powerful for you, Metallia just burns them alive instead. More RPG protagonists should take that kind of initiative.
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Oct 7, 2014 23:57
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So "poo poo-for brains" gets a bleep, but "bullshit", "whore" and "bitch" is a-ok? You're a weird one, game.
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Oct 7, 2014 23:59
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Malia probably sealed Metallia in the swamp, probably preventing her from even setting foot on non-swampy land. But only after whatever caused Lia to become Metallia. Arlecchino was pretty specific in his phrasing, whenever he speaks. He said he was loyal to Lia, not on Metallia's side. I'm thinking that the pillars are to stop the spread of the deadly swamp. Whether or not that's by containing them, I'm not sure. Oh and I'm a bit confused about this dialog, from way back in the prologue: quote:Visiting a house before and after domination will shift the resident’s attitudes, making facilities easier to use after dominating them.
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Oct 8, 2014 00:16
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Feinne posted:What exactly do you think Forest Witch Malia did to piss in Metallia's cornflakes such that she wants her head? joke answer: Malia literally pied in Metallia's conrflakes, or swampflakes  serious answer: either banished Metallia to the swamp for "reasons" or stole her boy toy Heck it'll probably be both of those bolded ones because it's a jrpg
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Oct 8, 2014 00:21
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Malia and Metallia are sides of the same coin, they're a personality split from some point beyond when the game started. Alecchino is loyal to the base that split into both of them, Lia.
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Oct 8, 2014 00:22
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Metallia is only wearing pasties and Etna-pants, right? So what's with her profile in conversations, which looks like she's slathered in orange and white paint? Is that supposed to be some kind of artistic failure at a lighting effect? When she leans forward near the end I could not find her torso. She was a chest and then nothing between that and her legs. Just hair.
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Oct 8, 2014 00:32
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Kgummy posted:But only after whatever caused Lia to become Metallia.  Ask her big sister Zoa!
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Oct 8, 2014 00:49
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Kgummy posted:Malia probably sealed Metallia in the swamp, probably preventing her from even setting foot on non-swampy land. But only after whatever caused Lia to become Metallia. Arlecchino was pretty specific in his phrasing, whenever he speaks. He said he was loyal to Lia, not on Metallia's side. Most places that aren't shops just kick you out before Raiding, whereas after you tend to get some healing or free experience.
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Clarste posted:Keeping her trapped in the swamp would be an obvious one. Yeah, this seems obvious. Metallia talks about only walking on swamp, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the only thing she can walk on. Hence, wanting the swamp to spread to gain more freedom.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Judging by the rest of Metallia's personality so far, I'd say exist is a good enough reason. I'm going with this one. So when do we get to see the swear jar?
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Oct 8, 2014 01:22
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Kevos Setzer posted:I'm going with this one. So when do we get to see the swear jar? I believe at the moment we're at four things bleeped, I'll try and whip up something graphical soonish. There's one of the later chapters that's probably going to double whatever number we're at by the end of it, no matter how high that number already is.
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Oct 8, 2014 01:24
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I'm thinking Malia's crime is Creating Metallia. That scene in the tutorial with the witch choking out the little girl could be non-witch Metallia being choked and possibly killed for whatever reason, and the old hag/witch maybe feels bad? I dunno more than that.
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I actually just bought this game today after watching your first video (what a dirty shill you are, Feinne), to see how it plays. NISA's take on an action-RPG I guess. I'm at exactly the same point the LP is, and I'm pretty stoked abut actually playing for the bad guy. Even worse, while we're clearly "special" somehow (a legendary demon apparently), we're still just a throwaway minion. More games should put the player in that role. It's very refreshing. The gameplay itself...seems a little slow-paced, lacking in information, and simple. I'm hoping the game gets more difficult than this, since I went through the entire tutorial and the forest without taking any damage. Then I got nailed by that same poison trap and wondered why my HP/GCals were dropping so fast. Didn't seem to notice any indications. I knew something was wrong; but not what was wrong. I even checked the pause menu and status screen and didn't see anything in particular. quote:What exactly do you think Forest Witch Malia did to piss in Metallia's cornflakes such that she wants her head? I'm going with this: quote:I'm thinking Malia's crime is Creating Metallia. That scene in the tutorial with the witch choking out the little girl could be non-witch Metallia being choked and possibly killed for whatever reason, and the old hag/witch maybe feels bad? For the earlier one, the one about what Metallica took from Hundred Knight? Gonna roll with its levels.
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Oct 8, 2014 01:53
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Man I love how the first level ends with you bisecting an completely innocent creature and then your boss teleports in and sets it on fire for basically no reason (it's not like half of a caterpillar is dangerous to Metallia). The best part is it keeps getting worse! Everyone is a bad person in this game!
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Oct 8, 2014 02:22
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Since when is a monster that eats people completely innocent? It may have been a polite creature, but it was hardly a good one.
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Oct 8, 2014 02:25
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Ok mostly innocent. Look you take whatever you can get with this game.
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Oct 8, 2014 02:27
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"I'm going to get my revenge, you'll see!" seems to be a pretty valid reason for killing an opponent in a video game. And even then, the clear villainous protagonist isn't the one to do the final blow; the forest witch Malia is. Presumably to prevent the whole 'one of them' being elaborated on. And this is from who Arlecchino is. Though I did notice that 'Lia' is at the end of the forest witches' name. Which makes me wonder if, combined with caterpillar's line, there are more than the two witches we've seen so far, all split from the same Lia. Metallia being shunted to the poisonous swamp, and forced with all the evil corruption, in an attempt to save the world. Kind of a stupid plan considering Malia said that the pillars weren't what Metallia thought they were, but didn't care enough to elaborate. Just 'Go back to your swamp', without explaining why Metallia would even want to do that.
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Omobono posted:...and would it kill Malia to tell us why making the pillars bloom is a bad idea? Before siccing her pet ent on us? It's not like Metallia would have listened but good guys ought to try anyway. Kgummy posted:... Kind of a stupid plan considering Malia said that the pillars weren't what Metallia thought they were, but didn't care enough to elaborate. Just 'Go back to your swamp', without explaining why Metallia would even want to do that. This right here. I'm more than a little tired of plots and conflicts in jRPGs that solely occur because nobody tells the Hero/Anti-hero/Whatever *why* their plans will bring about doom and destruction, and merely write off their warnings with "You don't know what you're doing," or "This macguffin's not what you think it is." Okay, yes, maybe it's bad business to advertise where the Big Red Button of World Destruction is or that playing basketball in the abandoned gym built on sacred grounds and using these bouncy relic orbs instead of real b-balls ties into such a thing, but still. If Metallia is such a dire threat that she's indefinitely sealed away in swamplands, then she's not the kind of person who would let something go at being told "Don't do that"!
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Kgummy posted:Just 'Go back to your swamp', without explaining why Metallia would even want to do that.
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Kgummy posted:"I'm going to get my revenge, you'll see!" seems to be a pretty valid reason for killing an opponent in a video game. Maybe she just put the man-eating caterpillar to sleep? In the video it didn't look like she did anything overtly violent.
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Oct 8, 2014 04:18
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I will say as with basically everything in this game we'll eventually get a reason for Malia's reticence to explain anything. It certainly wouldn't have helped during that conversation, though, because Metallia is inconsolably angry at her for reasons.
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Oct 8, 2014 04:21
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Soul Nomad is one of my favorite games of all time and if this game is a return to the theme of NIS going bleak then I am totally on board.
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Quick update tonight or tomorrow (depending on how quickly I can write it up) with a couple of brief scenes that happen before we head out to find Malia and a discussion of equipment. I'm hoping to have the second half of The Witch and Her Nemesis ready by Sundayish, I'll definitely have a dungeon highlights reel this time because there's some cool new stuff that first shows up in Wudes Forest. Also I always forget how loving stark the difficulty jump at the start of Act 1 Chapter 2 is. Like every individual normal enemy there is more dangerous than that boss we just fought by a WIDE margin, because the game starts getting comfortable being 'Brightly Colored Souls' from this point on.
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Oct 8, 2014 18:44
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While Metallia certainly like to swear, and Gig liked to swear, Metallia just comes off as petulant and obnoxious instead of crassly charismatic.
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Oct 8, 2014 18:45
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I got the sense that was the intent, to show that Metallia is not just detestable but also immature and trying to put on being an adult when she isn't. Gig was more "Oh god I am so over this poo poo let's DO something" while Metallia gives off "gently caress gently caress gently caress PAY ATTENTION TO ME GODDAMMIT" vibes.
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Feinne posted:Also I always forget how loving stark the difficulty jump at the start of Act 1 Chapter 2 is. Like every individual normal enemy there is more dangerous than that boss we just fought by a WIDE margin, because the game starts getting comfortable being 'Brightly Colored Souls' from this point on. Yeah, that's where I battered my head against for a couple runs before I went back to earlier areas to see what I missed and if uncovering 100% of a map meant anything.
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After the first update I thought the swear jar thing was an exaggeration. Now umm..... So the swear jar. Are we keeping a running tally of Metallia's foul language? If so, what counts as a swear and what doesn't? Only the censored parts? Should things like "drat" and "hell" be excluded in certain cases? Does "loving bitch" count as two or one?
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Ramengank posted:After the first update I thought the swear jar thing was an exaggeration. Now umm..... The initial count was just of censored things, we could certainly widen things to more of the awful things that Metallia says.
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I just finished the first "real" dungeon, and the cutscene immediately afterward. Holy poo poo, Metallia.  e: 
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Seiren posted:I just finished the first "real" dungeon, and the cutscene immediately afterward. Oh now this has me excited. Can't wait to see how horrible we are. 
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Oct 9, 2014 00:05
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Honestly the "you're unknowingly doing a bad thing by breaking the pillars" cliche just makes me go "meh", because the actual thing Metallia thinks we're doing by breaking them sounds like a bad thing anyway. We've never been good guys in this story and the game isn't pretending that we are.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Honestly the "you're unknowingly doing a bad thing by breaking the pillars" cliche just makes me go "meh", because the actual thing Metallia thinks we're doing by breaking them sounds like a bad thing anyway. We've never been good guys in this story and the game isn't pretending that we are. That's also assuming Malia's a reliable source of information. She could be full of poo poo and releasing the pillars could be perfectly safe (well, as safe as causing vast amounts of deadly-toxic swamp mud to spray everywhere is, which is not at all).
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Feinne posted:That's also assuming Malia's a reliable source of information. She could be full of poo poo and releasing the pillars could be perfectly safe (well, as safe as causing vast amounts of deadly-toxic swamp mud to spray everywhere is, which is not at all). Heck, the only reason we think the mud is toxic is because Metallia and Arlecchio told us, and they're both pretty drat untrustworthy. We've got precious little information here. (Although yeah, the mud's probably toxic, look at that healthy nuclear glow it has.)
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Ramengank posted:Oh now this has me excited. Can't wait to see how horrible we are. It was described to me once when I voiced a passing interest in this game, and it was enough to give me pause, in the sense that "I don't actually believe this is in the game, and I don't want to find out" sort of way.
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