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TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless
Uber and Handy should synergize.

Call for an Uber to take you home after a night of heavy drinking then have him clean up your front door after you puke all over it.

If your dial-a-man-servant kills himself before finishing the job its free.

Call it U-ndy. The contractors can be called Undies.

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TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

Residency Evil posted:

Serious question: why is the interface so terrible? I understand that may be partly on our own inhouse implementation team, but I've used Epic at a few hospitals now and it's terrible everywhere. It's like they looked at VB Apps from the mid 90s and said nice.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. The UI was done once and that was it. "If we change the UI it will confuse users." Never mind the fact that users never understood it in the fist place. It's selling and its making money. Welcome to the world of "Enterprise" Software. Fun fact, the people who make the decision to purchase Epic for their Hospital, a multi-million dollar deal, probably never even touched the software during their RFP/RFI phase. They sat through the sales presentations where they were promised the moon and maybe, maybe, they called some of the referrals they were given.

I once asked a doctor friend what he thought of Epic and he said they loved it. Why? Because the competition is still on Green Screens(tm). And even if you were to write something with a better UI than Epic (not exactly a difficult task) you'd never be able to sell it. Why? Because their poo poo is so entrenched in the market. Nobody will buy anything new because new is dangerous. Epic is there and it works (translation: doesn't actively poo poo the bed every day of the week). Their rise to success was just being in the right place at the right time (an EMR with a GUI when everyone was looking to upgrade off of paper records). Also, good luck accommodating every hospitals broken-rear end business process. They won't change their process to fit your software. You have to adapt it to theirs.

And no, I don't work for Epic. Enterprise software is a :psypop: in and of itself. We should have a dedicated Enterprise Software thread. I'll probably start one this week if I get a chance and someone doesn't beat me to it.

Avenging Dentist posted:

oh also here's the email i got when i pointed out an arbitrary-code-execution attack on an in-house library function that was used in a few hundred places:

:stonk:

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

prefect posted:

no kidding? it sounded familiar, but i was assuming it was something like lake wobegone

Yep. You'd swear you're driving through the comic depending on the time of year you go through there. Especially in the fall:kiddo:

Scary number of Clevelanders in this thread.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

theflyingexecutive posted:

it'd be p baller if uber drivers started a union

If you make an app for them to unionize, you'd just disrupt the taxi-disrupting ride-sharing economy with a labor-sharing ride-disrupting disruptor.
Plus you'd get mad VC.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

theflyingexecutive posted:

at the best schools companies sports coaches CEOs pay for themselves several times over



theflyingexecutive posted:

I said best schools companies, the rest are just lovely vanity teams boardrooms filled with mostly terrible people


It works on so many levels...

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless
Lord help me. I got my two seconds of background fame today as the local news did a fluff piece about all the hiring we're supposed to be doing for next year.

They mention how we're competing against Google and Twitter for talent, but I can't remember the last developer we brought onboard from the west coast. It's almost like there's some stigma to the rust belt.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

JewKiller 3000 posted:

... offer the same or more salary and benefits as they would receive here...

...the problem is that companies want to hire sv developers while still paying lovely non-sv salary...

I was going to reply to your first part, but you pretty much nailed it in the next quote. I do like it here (although the winters are really starting to get long in the tooth), but there really isn't a lot of competition to drive up pay in the area.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless
I too enjoy making fun of Facebook but would probably take an offer there in a heartbeat if I was looking to move to the west coast.

Thankfully the west coast can keep their traffic and ludicrous housing costs so I'll keep making fun of them. Also there are some serious ethics issues about that experiment.

I do envy the weather there though.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

Rexicon1 posted:

cleveland is great if you are into health care and fat people

There is an absurd amount of growth in Cleveland right now (relatively speaking). It has the potential to be really good or can become a complete mess if the bubble pops at the wrong time. Given the history of the city, bubble popping at the wrong time seems required. The cost of living is dirt cheap though compared to elsewhere which can be great if the growth continues. It's sad to realize what a joke the city is compared to is heyday when the richest people in the world all had homes in Cleveland (Rockefeller, Carnegie, etc)

But again, it's Cleveland.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

Shaggar posted:

sounds ripe for disruption

Lyfter: for when you want to shoplift something but don't have the time to do it yourself.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

Rexicon1 posted:

what growth? the only real growth I see in the city is more places to eat and more medical jobs. for real though, if you addled old or sick, move to cleveland and pay nothing for a home and live within 10 miles of some of the best hospitals in the nation.

I probably should have said construction instead of "growth" (can I blame Awful app?), and the other key word I said was "relative". For a city that, in the past, has been trying to win an Oscar for longest death scene (second only to Detroit), there's been a lot going on. The new convention center is just finished, the new innerbelt bridge will be finished soon, two new hotels are going up in the middle of downtown, there's a grocery store opening in the old Ameritrust building (right in the middle of downtown), downtown proper is actually growing in population for once ( Those of you who live in an actual city may not want to read that for fear of laughing to death), Playhouse square is getting a facelift (plus Hofbrauhaus just opened there), apparently apartments and condos are being filled as fast as they can build them (Battery Park is finishing a major project), the casino opened a few years ago, Stark Enterprise is trying to get their "nuCLEus" project going, Public Square is going to be redone by 2016, the Ernst & Young building just finished in the flats, plus phase 2 of the flats construction project is about to get under way. There's also the lakefront project (although that's been talk for decades so whatever). Plus other stuff I'm too lazy to look up / type.

Again though, this is Cleveland; if anyone can screw it up, its Cleveland. While there's a lot going on downtown the outer sections of the city are still poo poo. The things a lot of people don't realize though is, like Detroit, despite the downtown being stagnant for so long there's a lot of really nice suburbs around the area. Part of the reason the city has festered for so long is there were plenty of areas to move to beside the city itself and still be able to easily get downtown if necessary.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

do you think that you could sum up this gigantic block of text for me tia

oh wait is it about lolhio in the silicon valley thrad lmao nm

You guys talked about trains and buses for like twenty pages :(

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless
...but but their Glassdoor rating is a solid four! :ohdear:

Optimus_Rhyme posted:

Thing is, in a culture like that she'll be seen as the person who ruined their culture.


Also I had no idea zillow actually sold anything.

Sales is how they make most of their money. They hawk their various services to realtors and the like. Their growth has been ridiculous (full disclosure, I own stock in them :ssh:, although I should probably sell on this news). It looks like all these lawsuits are directed at their sales department too. Sales always seems like the septic tank of most companies where all the poo poo gathers. It's as if there something about it that attracts unreputable people :iiam: (oh wait, no it isn't) :ms:

For a long time I wish I had applied with them (development not sales :smugbert:) before they went public. Guess my inaction once again resulted in my dodging a bullet.

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

Current Employee - Inside Sales Consultant in Irvine, CA posted:

LOUD - you will have people screaming, cheering, clapping, noise makers, loud music, etc ALL DAY EVERYDAY
Its a non stop pep rally and the farthest thing from a professional sales environment you will ever see.

Revolving door - 90% turnover - don't believe otherwise

35k base salary

Long hours - expect 10-12 hours a day to succeed for your first year - sometimes more

Job outlook - This job never gets easier, don't believe the hype. You will make even more calls tomorrow than you did today. There are 200+ sales reps calling the same zip codes, talking to the same agents, about the same product day after day.

Call time - you are REQUIRED to TALK 210 minutes everyday (no, the phone ringing doesn't count towards it)
You will be expected to hit this number every day. Skip lunch, come in early, and stay late but for gods sake don't miss call time. (this correlates greatly to the 90% turnover).

You will be told to stand up constantly. Some managers will even take your chair away from you.

You will be discouraged from ever taking time off. Management pretends they need advance notice to take your PTO. They will railroad you if you are sick and expect that you work anyway.

You will sell terrible advertising packages because you have a quota to hit. You know its not worth what it costs but you'll sell it anyway. (This is a flaw because the product can work well when sold correctly)

drat!

"Sorry Billy, Chairs are for earners."

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TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless

born on a buy you posted:

don't be a retard and use smilies like that

Got the message; I won't do Sunday morning YOPOSTing until I had my coffee. Sorry for the outrage.

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