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Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Some of our teams are bad. Some of our teams are staring 1-6, or even worse, in the face. This is our safe place, a thread where we can dream. Until Bewbies comes back and makes his awesome thread.

Player Videos
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Dane Brugler Mock Drafts
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CBS Prospect Rankings
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Kiper's Big Board - October 1

1. *Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon Ducks
Through four games, all wins, Mariota is completing 74 percent of his passes, has 13 TD throws and is yet to throw an INT. Basically, par for the course. He's simply a terrifying QB to defend because he combines above-average accuracy and anticipation with an ability to get through his progressions and elite athleticism. He isn't a classic dropback passer, and how well he can take apart a defense with tools other than his legs matters in terms of how he is viewed as a prospect, but his ability to throw on the run or to simply take off and pick up chunk yardage as a runner is a major plus.

2. *Leonard Williams, DL, USC Trojans
Stats aren't going to wow anybody, but the tape will. If Williams doesn't wow you with quickness on the edge, know he's 290-plus pounds and won't get pushed around even if he moves inside. At his size, he's a special athlete who could line up as a defensive end and drive a tackle back or line up on the outside shoulder of a guard and create problems with power and quickness, as well. He's the kind of disruptive, versatile lineman who can succeed in any system. A potential No. 1 pick.

3. *Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama Crimson Tide
An amazing start so far for Cooper, with 43 catches and nearly 700 yards through four games. Crazy, really. He's neither a pure burner nor an impossible matchup threat given his size, but there's nothing he doesn't do well. He separates with ease and also has a good sense of how to find space against a zone. Where he really stands out is his ability to make contested catches. He'll get plenty of attention, but I still expect him to be extremely productive.

4. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M Aggies
No change here. A very good athlete, Ogbuehi has transitioned from right tackle to left tackle, just as Jake Matthews did out of Texas A&M. Right now he gets a higher grade as a pass-blocker, but he's no slouch when it comes to creating a push as a run-blocker.

5. *Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska Cornhuskers
The healthy Gregory has returned, with 4.5 tackles for loss over the last two weeks. Projection is a little tricky because you could see Gregory as a 3-4 outside linebacker because of his lean frame and exceptional athleticism, but he could also end up as a 4-3 DE. How well he can hold up at the point of attack, particularly against the run, will be an area scouts focus on, but in a passing league, the greater focus will be on continued development as a pass-rusher.

6. *Shane Ray, DE, Missouri Tigers
Continues to move up on my board. System fit will be a discussion, but what he can do is play with tremendous energy, beat blockers and get to the passer, so it's going to work out. What I like about Ray is he combines a relentless effort level with a range of pass-rushing moves. He's not just a speed-rusher off the edge; he'll get on the inside shoulder of a tackle and drive through, creating pressure from the inside. Super productive and disruptive so far.

7. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa Hawkeyes
Same ol' same ol'. Quite possibly the best run-blocker in the class. He uses a powerful base and quick feet to simply overpower defenders, and he can move well and line up blocks in space. He needs to show some improvement as a pass-blocker, but he's nimble and simply needs to work on technique in that area.

8. *Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford Cardinal
He's had a few blips with missed blocks this season, but nothing major. Peat is both powerful and nimble, with the ability to drive a defender back in the run game and the exceptional length and above-average footwork you look for from a pass-blocker. He has a chance to be the first tackle taken.

9. *Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia Bulldogs
What can I say? I think he's that good at this point. I rank Gurley higher than he'll probably ever be drafted given the way the NFL values running backs, but (A) you never know, and (B) he's a powerful runner with second-level speed that's impressive for a man his size. When Gurley gets into space, he can run away from defenders even though he's carrying 230-plus pounds. What he doesn't do is avoid contact consistently, which raises durability concerns that will certainly play into his draft stock.

10. *Shawn Oakman, DE, Baylor Bears
The more I see his development, the more I'm a believer, though whether he can bend and turn the corner is a fair question. But he'll be disruptive, with the length of a basketball center at 6-foot-9, now up to 280-plus pounds, which he carries well, and it has allowed him to drive blockers. When he gets his long arms extended into blockers (or in passing lanes) he can shed quickly. How Oakman is used will be a question, but the former Penn Stater is a tantalizing specimen and is beginning to come into his own.

11. Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson Tigers
Has 7 tackles for loss and 6.0 sacks so far, and he is showing no letdown after last year. A converted running back, Beasley will draw comparisons to 2014 draft pick Anthony Barr because of his quickness and closing speed when he creates space. Where he can struggle is when a good blocker gets hands on him and forces him to play with leverage and counter. He can be highly disruptive, however, and simply needs more seasoning.

12. Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor Bears
Numbers here always seem like a given, but Petty is showing me a lot in playing through serious pain right now. Said it before, but the "system guy" debate will be there until next May; I just think he's more than that. Petty has a strong arm, a demonstrated ability to limit mistakes and is an above-average athlete with a strong build for the position. He doesn't grade as elite in any one area as a passer, but he has outstanding intangibles and has room to improve. The ability to hit tight throwing windows will be a question. Everyone's open now.

13. *Landon Collins, S, Alabama Crimson Tide
Just so versatile. That's what makes him such a great prospect. Bama's actually pretty weak elsewhere in the secondary, which only adds to his value. He can play deep -- making good reads and taking the right angle to the ball -- and also has the ability to line up close to the line of scrimmage and run with tight ends. A strong tackler, Collins is fearless in taking on running backs but shows good technique and doesn't just throw himself at the ball.

14. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon Ducks
Didn't love the decision to come back, but he's played well. An explosive, quick-twitch mover, he's agile out of his backpedal, closing fast on anything in front of him, and he moves without wasted motion, allowing him to stick with really quick receivers. Would have challenged to be among the top corners taken in the most recent draft. Stay healthy!

15. **Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia Bulldogs
Some ups and downs over the last two weeks. A green but talented young player, he can blow away blockers with his first step and overall athleticism, but he's also undersized, and evaluators will key on his ability to hold up and play with leverage. He profiles as a 3-4 outside linebacker with the ability to both rush the passer and drop into space and cover. Not a finished product.

16. **Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State Seminoles
Have bumped him up a little as he's played well after his latest off-field issue, but those questions aren't going away. He needs time to prove doubters wrong. He has special instincts for a QB, and good training is obvious. Winston's natural gifts are clear -- size, arm strength, athleticism -- but so is the ability to manipulate the pocket, see pressure early and deliver the ball to the right target. He needs to be consistent with ball placement and timing, and again, decision-making.

17. *Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington Huskies
Just a special, special athlete, and a guy who keeps making the flash plays. Thompson is undersized as an outside linebacker, but he can make plays all over the field and blow away blockers with his quickness. The key for Thompson is to be able to play in space because he can get eaten up if a good blocker gets him engaged. But he's an effective tackler and playmaker, which is saying something for a guy who has played safety, running back and cornerback.

18. *Dante Fowler Jr., DE, Florida Gators
Steady so far. I've said he isn't yet a special pass-rushing prospect, but he's pretty close and he also shows good strength and an ability to set the edge and make tackles. He displays above-average quickness, which, combined with his strength and powerful arms, allows him to clear inside and penetrate.

19. *Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin Badgers
Returning to college concerned me just because Gordon had a chance to be the first RB taken in the 2014 draft, and I don't want him to get hurt before he has a chance to make NFL money, so those 32(!) carries the coaches handed him Saturday against South Florida aren't a great sign. That said, he's a special talent with great vision, explosiveness and then breakaway speed when he gets in space. Here's hoping the health doesn't become an issue because of workload.

20. *Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State Spartans
No real changes with his profile through four games. Said before, the Michigan State coaching staff feels that Waynes has the potential to be the equal to Darqueze Dennard if he plays up to his potential, and you can see why. He's a playmaker who will jump routes and has good ball skills. He has a tendency to dive a bit near the line of scrimmage in attacking the ball carrier, but added strength could fix that approach.

21. *Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State Sun Devils
If not for Cooper, Strong's stats so far would look better, as he already has 31 catches. He can be almost impossible to cover given the way he can make catches when covered. He has good size, a willingness to attack the ball and use strong hands to catch almost anything thrown his way, even against contact. He's not a burner, but doesn't have to be.

22. *Marcus Peters, CB, Washington Huskies
A big-time athlete with good size for the position, Peters has developed into arguably the top CB in the Pac-12. He's played well so far in 2014 when he's been able to stay on the field -- the coaches made him sit out the Illinois game -- so coachability will be something to watch. But the talent is obvious, and it has been for a while.

23. *Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State Spartans
Another showcase game this Saturday for Calhoun and posse. He has impressive quickness and the ability to close in a hurry when he creates space as a pass-rusher, and Calhoun has the look of a lanky defender who would specialize in getting upfield quickly, but he also shows plenty of strength and leverage against the run.

24. Danny Shelton, DT, Washington Huskies
I noted on my last ranking that I feel I initially overstated Shelton's quickness, but he does move pretty well at this size, and he's still capable of clogging things up and has plenty of value there. A massive defensive tackle at nearly 340 pounds, Shelton does have some ability to disrupt and good instincts in his ability to find the ball. He wasn't remotely off the radar before, but this could be a breakthrough year.

25. DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville Cardinals
I know it's odd to put Parker back here given he hasn't played, but I think that highly of him, and the word is he'll be back soon, maybe this week. He had surgery to repair a fractured fifth metatarsal in his foot in late August, but he has healed quickly. A big target who runs well and seems to catch everything thrown in his direction, he'll be a big help to that offense.

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Todd McShay's Top 32 Prospects - October 1

1. Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon Ducks (Grade: 95)*
Mariota is a dynamic athlete who puts stress on a defense with his mobility both as a runner and a thrower. He has above-average elusiveness and rare straight-line speed, reminiscent of Colin Kaepernick with his long stride. Mariota has a quick, compact, over-the-shoulder release with well-above-average arm strength, so he can make all the NFL throws. While he needs to become more consistently accurate, and I want to see him show continued progress with his footwork and balance within the pocket, I thought he played really well in the Ducks' big win over Michigan State; he showed good mental toughness in bouncing back from early mistakes. He has outstanding intangibles and a very good mental makeup.

2. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M Aggies (Grade: 95)
The Aggies have seen their starting left tackles selected within the top six picks of the NFL draft each of the past two years, and Ogbuehi is the next prospect in line at the position. He is moving over from right tackle, where he played last season, and has fared well so far. He is excellent in pass protection with outstanding quickness and natural athleticism, and shows very good mobility as a zone blocker in the running game. He needs to improve his lower-body strength and leverage after initial contact, but overall he is very good as a run-blocker as well. He rates very well in terms of toughness and character, and he's helped fuel the Aggies' 5-0 start.

3. Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska Cornhuskers (Grade: 93)*
Gregory moves up a few spots in this week's rankings. He is very lean, and whether he's able to add weight could be a factor going forward, as he's just average against the run because he can get pushed too far outside and gives ground at times. But he has good range to make plays in pursuit, and he has the above-average lateral quickness and closing speed, combined with his effective rip and swim moves, length and finishing ability, to get to the quarterback as a pass-rusher. His best fit at the next level is as a 3-4 outside linebacker, and he lines up as a LB at times for Nebraska.

4. Leonard Williams, DE, USC Trojans (Grade: 94)*
Williams possesses excellent strength and speed for his size, and has the versatility to create mismatches all along the D-line. His best projection is as a 5-technique defensive end, but he has the quickness and point-of-attack skills to perform inside as a 3-technique (especially in pass-rushing situations), and enough athleticism to occasionally line up as a traditional left defensive end. As a pass-rusher, he isn't going to gain the edge with pure speed, but he has good initial quickness and a wide array of moves. He possesses an above-average motor and plays with an edge.

5. Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 93)*
Cooper moves up our board this week on the strength of his outstanding start to the 2014 season (43 catches for 655 yards and five TDs). He has just average size for the receiver position, and good but not elite top-end speed, but his separation and ball skills more than make up for it. There are few college wide receivers with Cooper's separation skills, and he makes tough catches look easy, demonstrating outstanding concentration in traffic, although he does suffer from too many focus drops. He is a star for the Crimson Tide's offense, which faces a big test Saturday against Ole Miss.

6. Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia Bulldogs (Grade: 92)*
Floyd is a terror coming off the edge for opposing offenses, and might be the best pass-rusher in college football this season. As a prospect, he compares favorably to a young Barkevious Mingo as a productive pass-rusher with an extremely high ceiling. He explodes out of the blocks with elite get-off speed and acceleration, and he shows really good natural bend and body control. He has flashed the potential to effectively convert speed to power as a pass-rusher despite needing to improve his strength. There's no doubt he has the speed and athleticism to handle coverage assignments as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but he does struggle to anchor versus offensive tackles, as he's particularly lean in his lower body.

7. Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 94)*
For my full take from two weeks ago on what Winston's latest off-field incident could mean for his draft stock, click here. The short version: It's mostly futile to speculate on whether or how far he could drop down teams' draft boards because of it, as a lot can happen between now and then and we don't know which teams will be picking at the top of the order, if they'll need QBs, and so on. But while Winston has what teams are looking for as a talent (he has good pocket mobility and very good arm strength), an on-field leader and an on-field decision-maker, he could cost himself a lot of money if NFL teams don't feel like they can trust him off the field.

8. Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia Bulldogs (Grade: 90)*
Gurley continues to move up our board after lighting it up the first four games of the season, averaging 8.8 yards per carry and rushing for six touchdowns (plus a kick-return TD). This guy is a freight train -- a hard, downhill runner who is a load to bring down -- but what separates him from a lot of other big, punishing runners is his breakaway speed when he catches a crease. He runs a little bit high and takes some big shots to his frame, and there are some long-term durability questions with him as a result, but on talent and production alone he's a top-15 prospect. He compares favorably to Marshawn Lynch in terms of his power.

9. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa Hawkeyes (Grade: 92)
Scherff projects to me as the Zack Martin of this draft class. His lack of ideal length puts into question whether he can become an NFL offensive tackle, but I think he still has a shot to become one, and at worst he has what it takes to be an excellent guard at the next level. He displayed unique toughness earlier this season ahead of the Iowa State game, coming off a Monday medical procedure to practice Tuesday and play every snap in that Saturday's game. He's good in pass protection, is an elite run-blocker and is a powerful, nasty finisher.

10. Shane Ray, DE, Missouri Tigers (Grade: 90)*
Ray has a bit of a tweener frame right now, with below-average height and a lean build, but he has elite speed for the position, and he explodes off the line with his first step, quick feet and hands, and effective spin move. He has initial pop but needs to improve his ability to convert speed to power. He's an active and disruptive force against the run, making a lot of plays in pursuit, but his lean frame and lack of strength limit his effectiveness against the run overall. Ray has a relentless motor, and he currently leads the nation in sacks after recording two in the Tigers' comeback win over South Carolina last week.

11. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon Ducks (Grade: 91)
Ekpre-Olomu is a twitched-up athlete with clean movement skills who makes quick transitions out of breaks and shows an explosive closing burst in coverage. He can hold up in man coverage on an island and has good ball skills and playmaking instincts. He is physical and aggressive in run support as well. Ekpre-Olomu is a key component to the Ducks' defense, and his diving interception off of a deflection was one of the key plays in their Week 2 win over Michigan State.

12. Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford Cardinal (Grade: 91)*
Peat has the ideal physical tools you look for in a starting NFL left tackle. He displays good length, a strong anchor, a powerful upper body and excellent overall agility in pass protection. As a run-blocker, he has the power base to drive defenders off the ball. His football instincts appear to be good on tape, and he flashes a nasty side on occasion. The Cardinal have a big game against Notre Dame this weekend.

13. La'el Collins, OT, LSU Tigers (Grade: 90)
Collins projects as either a right tackle or guard in the pros, given his massive frame. As a run-blocker, he fires off the ball with very good straight-line burst, and has the lower-body strength and strong hands to drive defenders off the line. He also shows good awareness and toughness. Collins is average in pass protection, showing a strong anchor, but he can get into trouble, occasionally lunging and falling off some blocks.

14. Dante Fowler Jr., DE, Florida Gators (Grade: 92)*
Fowler is a big and strong edge-setter in the run game who has really good striking ability as a tackler, and the ability to jar the ball loose with his long arms. He has growth potential as a pass-rusher but lacks elite physical traits and isn't a polished finisher at this point in his development. He does have above-average first-step quickness for his size, and in particular has flashed some effectiveness as an inside rusher at nose tackle or a 3-technique in nickel and dime packages. This guy plays with an edge.

15. Landon Collins, S, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 86)*
Collins is a really impressive athlete for a safety with his compact build, quick feet and good body control in coverage, and he is moving up our board due to his early season play. He's an impressive open-field tackler who plays with a chip on his shoulder, and while he can look a bit lost at times (including taking some poor angles when the ball is in the air), he has impressive ball skills to go with good length, leaping ability and hand-eye coordination. The Tide travel to Ole Miss this week to play the Rebels.

16. DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville Cardinals (Grade: 89)
Parker is currently out with a foot injury, so we'll have to monitor how he recovers and then performs once he gets back on the field this season. His size-speed combo is above average, although not outstanding, but he's fast enough to run under the deep ball and is dangerous after the catch, including the ability to slip tackles and pick up yards after contact. His ball skills are just average, as he drops a lot of catchable passes and isn't great on 50-50 balls, but he can pluck the ball out of the air and make over-the-shoulder catches. He has good separation skills.

17. Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson Tigers (Grade: 89)
Beasley's first-step quickness and closing speed are notches below elite, but he displays good speed-to-power potential as a pass-rusher. He is at his best when shooting gaps, and shows good instincts and the ability to quickly locate the ball as a run defender. He has the potential to develop into a sideline-to-sideline tackler. However, he is narrow in his lower body and can be engulfed by offensive linemen, and he doesn't have the size potential to develop into an every-down NFL defensive end.

18. Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin Badgers (Grade: 88)*
Gordon has great acceleration off his plant foot and good lateral agility to make defenders miss in small creases, and good-but-not-elite top-end speed (I saw him get tracked down on a long run in the season opener against LSU -- that's the difference between Gordon and a guy like Jamaal Charles). He displayed excellent vision and patience and was running hard behind his pads against the Tigers, which is consistent with what we've seen from him on tape. He's a work in progress in the passing game, but appears to be doing better in pass protection and shows the ability to make big plays after the catch. He already has eight touchdowns this season and is averaging 7.8 yards per rush.

19. Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford Cardinal (Grade: 88)
Montgomery is at his best with the ball in his hands, displaying a strong combination of vision, balance and elusiveness to manufacture yards both after the catch and in the return game (his power was on display when he ran over two Washington defenders for a touchdown last weekend). He has very good top-end speed to outrun defenders when he catches a seam. He shows good feel as a route runner, showing good burst out of breaks and the ability to find soft spots in zone coverage. He has had a few bad drops in his career and isn't a difference-maker in one-on-one jump-ball situations downfield. (Montgomery recently weighed in on his draft stock for ESPN The Magazine.)

20. Devin Funchess, TE, Michigan Wolverines (Grade: 87)*
Funchess has been banged up so far this season and the Wolverines are dealing with their fair share of turmoil, but he has still managed to be relatively effective and flash the potential that makes him a top-20 prospect. He often lines up at receiver for Michigan but projects best as a flex tight end in the NFL -- he is on the taller and leaner side for the position (getting muscled out as an in-line blocker and occasionally on routes), but has good speed and quickness for it. He is a downfield threat and flashes the ability to make the first defender miss and has the strength to pick up yards after contact.

21. Nelson Agholor, WR, USC Trojans (Grade: 87)*
Agholor is a smooth and explosive athlete who can separate from coverage, and has the potential to get even better as a route runner. He has the speed to take the top off of a defense, and while he lacks elite elusiveness, he has the acceleration and field vision that make him a home run threat after the catch and in the return game. His ball skills are inconsistent (drops too many catchable passes), but he shows the ability to pluck the ball on the move without breaking stride.

22. Mike Bennett, DT, Ohio State Buckeyes (Grade: 87)
Bennett has below-average bulk for the position and gets overwhelmed by double-teams against the run, but he controls blockers one-on-one when teams run at him and he's quick enough to disrupt plays in the backfield. He can shoot gaps as a pass-rusher and displays above-average closing burst; while he doesn't have the quickness of last year's No. 13 overall pick Aaron Donald, he is more than explosive enough to play the 3-technique in a 4-3 defense. He is a hard-nosed player who doesn't back down, even against bigger players.

23. A.J. Cann, G, South Carolina Gamecocks (Grade: 87)
Cann is a high-character lineman with good awareness and toughness. He isn't an elite athlete, nor is he overpowering at the point of attack, but he possesses good quickness, agility and balance for the position, allowing him to hold up well in pass protection. He does a good job with his first step and overall angles as a run-blocker.

24. Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 87)*
Darby combines very good physical tools with good discipline and recognition skills in coverage. He is rarely caught out of position, and has above-average recovery speed when a receiver is able to break free in man coverage. He could afford to make more out of his interception opportunities, but the biggest concern with Darby is his ability to match up with bigger receivers. He has to get stronger, as he gets pushed around a lot at the line of scrimmage.

25. T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh Panthers (Grade: 86)
Clemmings played poorly last season after transitioning from defensive line to offensive tackle after Pittsburgh was ravaged by injuries on its O-line, in large part because he had no idea what he was doing. But he was on our radar heading into 2014 based on his raw physical tools and high upside, and it's clear that his offseason work has been huge for him in terms of getting better. He's still very much a work in progress, but he has an excellent combination of length, agility and upper-body power. This is his first appearance in the Top 32.

26. Marcus Peters, CB, Washington Huskies (Grade: 86)
Peters has prototypical size for the cornerback position to go with above-average top-end speed. He gets into trouble in coverage on occasion due to a lack of proper footwork and technique, but makes up for it with good athleticism and fluidity, and he's effective in press technique because of his physicality. He's a willing run defender, and possesses quality playmaking instincts when playing the ball. Peters served a one-game suspension earlier this season, missing the Illinois game, and was held out early against Stanford as another punishment before re-entering the lineup and recording an interception.

27. Rashad Greene, WR, Florida State Seminoles (Grade: 85)
Greene was the Seminoles' most consistent and productive pass-catcher last season (even more so than big-play threat Kelvin Benjamin, who is now with the Carolina Panthers), and he has been a standout so far this season, playing a key role in the Seminoles' comeback win over NC State on Saturday. He has below-average size for the wide receiver position at the next level, but he is a sudden athlete with the ability to beat press coverage with his quickness off the line, and he also has great quickness in and out of breaks which allows him to separate from defensive backs. He reminds one of Marqise Lee.

28. Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State Spartans (Grade: 85)*
Calhoun could afford to add some bulk and strength to his frame, but he has good top-end speed for his size, including above-average first-step quickness and the ability to transfer speed to power as a pass-rusher. He's also quick enough to shoot the gaps and be disruptive against the running game. Overall, there is good physicality to his game. The Spartans have a big game against Nebraska on Saturday night (8 p.m. ET, ESPN).

29. Danny Shelton, DT, Washington Huskies (Grade: 85)
Shelton is having a very productive start to the season, tying for the nation's lead in sacks with seven through five games. He has tree trunks for legs and a massive frame overall, with the powerful upper body you look for in a prototypical two-gap defensive tackle. He has the strength to collapse the pocket as a pass-rusher, although he's still developing in this area of his game. He is good in run defense and shows above-average instincts, and he plays with an edge and a quality motor.

30. Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington Huskies (Grade: 85)*
Thompson was recruited as a safety to Washington, so he's undersized for the position (he will never be a strong take-on guy), but he makes up for that with excellent speed and athleticism. He has sideline-to-sideline range against the run and very good coverage skills, and the Huskies have even utilized him at running back at times this season. He is a fundamentally sound and reliable tackler, with the ability to deliver a big hit.

31. Tyrus Thompson, OT, Oklahoma Sooners (Grade: 85)
Thompson is a massive tackle prospect with good bulk, length and above-average foot quickness and lateral agility. He could afford to display more toughness on tape, and he needs to get stronger, but his athleticism allows him to do very well in pass protection and as a run-blocker in space. He is one of the anchors of a very good, very experienced Sooners offensive line.

32. T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama Crimson Tide (Grade: 86)*
Yeldon is dealing with a hamstring injury that bears monitoring ahead of the Tide's showdown with Ole Miss on Saturday -- he was limited to 59 yards on 18 carries in Bama's SEC opener against Florida in their last game. As a prospect, Yeldon is tall with a somewhat lean frame, and isn't an overpowering runner, but he has good balance and can keep his feet moving after contact. He also has excellent lateral agility (especially for a taller back), which, combined with his instincts and patience, makes him highly effective at finding the hole and accelerating through it on runs.

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Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005



So if you figure the Raiders and Jaguars are married to Carr/Bortles for the next couple years at minimum, it looks like the Mariota and Winston show will be available for the next tier of pathetic losers.

:toot:

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011


Ozu posted:



So if you figure the Raiders and Jaguars are married to Carr/Bortles for the next couple years at minimum, it looks like the Mariota and Winston show will be available for the next tier of pathetic losers.

:toot:

With RG3 dead and Cousins clearly not the answer, it sounds like it's time for Washington to trade up!

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Lovie Smith with a shiny new rookie QB would be pretty funny.

Looking further down the draft, which Rutgers secondary members should I expect to see drafted in the 2nd-3rd rounds?

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I want Ifo Ekpre-Olomu to play for the Lions so badly you guys

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Kalli posted:

Lovie Smith with a shiny new rookie QB would be pretty funny.

Looking further down the draft, which Rutgers secondary members should I expect to see drafted in the 2nd-3rd rounds?
Pulling from the CBS prospect rankings, which are typically done by Brugler and Rang, here's your list of probable Pats. The only secondary guys are ranked at the bottom of the free agent pile so look for them in the early 2nd-3rd rounds.

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99	*Tyler Kroft	TE	4	Rutgers	rJr	6-5	240	3
351	Kaleb Johnson	OG	20	Rutgers	Sr	6-4	305	末
635	Betim Bujari	C	20	Rutgers	rSr	6-3	295	末
690	Savon HugginsInjured	RB	51	Rutgers	Sr	6-0	200	末
773	Gary Nova	QB	42	Rutgers	Sr	6-2	220	末
789	Michael Burton	FB	23	Rutgers	rSr	6-0	235	末
867	Lorenzo Waters	SS	39	Rutgers	rSr	5-11	205	末
894	Kevin Snyder	ILB	41	Rutgers	Sr	6-3	235	末
942	Johnathan Aiken	FS	42	Rutgers	Sr	5-11	190	末

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?
For a dude who keeps getting knocked for his pass protection Scherff sure hasn't given up very many sacks the last couple years. He got beat once on a quick inside move earlier this year and that's about all I remember off the top of my head. Might wind up kicking inside because he's about an inch or so shy of an ideal LT though.

He could also absolutely tear up the combine. Dude is super athletic and strong (he played QB in high school!): http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24634158/video-iowa-ot-brandon-scherff-hang-cleans-443-pounds

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

If Rex is still the coach, which seems impossible right now, I really think Vic Beasley is his guy. He loves him, loves Clemson guys, and he fits a need as Calvin Pace's successor. He probably doesn't quite have the length to warrant a top of the 1st round pick but he's one of those guys that's going to produce on talent and motor alone as a 3-4 OLB and be a disruptive pass rusher. If Mingo and Anthony Barr can be taken top 10, than so can Beasley.

He's a nice player and all but lol offense.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
Danny Shelton owns bones and whoever takes him is going to be very happy

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*
Kevin White is so drat cool. He's not refined, at all, but he catches the ball so pretty and I want him on my team very very badly. Problem is if he keeps playing the way he has been there's no way he falls out of the first and Baltimore don't do first round WRs.

Parmesan Basil
Nov 12, 2008

TIME IS THE FIRE IN WHICH WE BURN THE GAME CLOCK
Chiefs are getting the top corner available since they cut Flowers. I hope Ifo is good.

RoofieMyselfForFun
Apr 5, 2010
Is Halliday even worth drafting or is he just a system QB?

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit

RoofieMyselfForFun posted:

Is Halliday even worth drafting or is he just a system QB?

I don't think I've seen a Mike Leach QB play in the regular season

wheez the roux
Aug 2, 2004
THEY SHOULD'VE GIVEN IT TO LYNCH

Death to the Seahawks. Death to Seahawks posters.
send him to the CFL or stash him on a practice squad if you want to pretend you're playing against rex grossman

Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008

Welcome to Moonside.

Wecomel to Soonmide.

Moonwel ot cosidme.
Ifo was my draft crush a year ago, y'all are loving late to the party. I really wanted him to declare last year.

Amari Cooper is like everything I love in a WR prospect, unfortunately it's a year where we don't have a billion extra picks so there's next to no chance the Niners will be in range to draft him unless the wheels completely fall off from here. I like Parker a lot too.

wheez the roux
Aug 2, 2004
THEY SHOULD'VE GIVEN IT TO LYNCH

Death to the Seahawks. Death to Seahawks posters.
Vince Mayle will probably be the only Coug to go in the draft, he's a great WR. anyone else from this squad who makes it pro will be signed as UDFA, halliday might be a camp body or end up somewhere in the CFL, unless some maverick coach sees something in him they really like and want to put him on a bench behind a stud for a few years to develop

speaking of wazzu WRs, marquess wilson should be getting close to healed up. can't wait to see him work his magic in the NFL. especially with the bears top two receivers being well covered and semi-injured, he could see a lot of targets. so glad he made it to trestman's bears where he'll have the chance to show what he can do in that pass happy cutler offense with :swoon: cutler :swoon:

No Irish Need Imply
Nov 30, 2008

Grozz Nuy posted:

Ifo was my draft crush a year ago
Same. Now I'm worried he'll be a Raven/Steeler.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

pillsburysoldier posted:

I don't think I've seen a Mike Leach QB play in the regular season

You didn't watch Tuel Time?

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
Calling it now: Mariota will never make it as a NFL QB.

Call me stupid, call me an rear end in a top hat, I don't care. He's going in the first round and he's not gonna amount to even 1/4th of an Andrew Luck.

Ok for real I'm not calling it now, I called this poo poo a year and a half ago. Mariota will never do anything in the NFL.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
Bengals are going to draft an offensive or defensive tackle. Probably at #21, their ancestral home.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

This is a sad thread.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
Mariota will still be a top 10 draft pick, because who the gently caress else are you gonna draft as a QB with a lovely team? Yeah. It's that bad. There are no good QBs in the 2015 draft. Mariota will be the best of them and be a 3rd stringer once all is said and done. He'll be one of those developmental projects that you hear about while he's on the practice squad for Tampa Bay.

e: In before the UCLA and Stanford and who knows what the gently caress ever talk, there are no PRO QBs in the draft this year, mark my words.

No Irish Need Imply
Nov 30, 2008

Eifert Posting posted:

Bengals are going to draft an offensive or defensive tackle. Probably at #21, their ancestral home.
My early guess is OT. The Whitworth/Smith contracts expire at the same time. They could (but shouldn't) put off DT for a while.

Pron on VHS
Nov 14, 2005

Blood Clots
Sweat Dries
Bones Heal
Suck it Up and Keep Wrestling
I am guessing KC drafts between 10-20 and misses out on both Amari Cooper and Ifo

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

lotta people who don't watch college football talkin about college football players in here

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Fenrir posted:

Calling it now: Mariota will never make it as a NFL QB.

Call me stupid, call me an rear end in a top hat, I don't care. He's going in the first round and he's not gonna amount to even 1/4th of an Andrew Luck.

Ok for real I'm not calling it now, I called this poo poo a year and a half ago. Mariota will never do anything in the NFL.

Why do you think this?

PrinceRandom
Feb 26, 2013

ROSS MY SALAD posted:

Why do you think this?

Oregon QB

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

So an incredibly idiotic reason that has no bearing on anything

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

ROSS MY SALAD posted:

Why do you think this?
I've watched him in about 12 or 13 games - and I know, small sample size, but I saw Luck in maybe 8 or 9 tops and knew he was a NFL QB. Mariota doesn't have the downfield accuracy or the pocket presence to be a NFL QB. It's basically the same thing almost all of us said about most of the QB busts of the last 10 years.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he starts somewhere and turns into Russell Wilson (I also said he'd never make it in the NFL, and look what happened there), but really? I doubt it. That poo poo doesn't happen very often.

e: Actually I'm pretty bad at this, so don't listen to me. I also said Cam Newton, Alex Smith, Nick Foles and Jay Cutler wouldn't make it in the NFL. And I just about guaranteed that Blaine Gabbert would. Yeah. I'm real bad at this poo poo, so...

Also I like Mariota in college almost as much as I liked Cam (Cam owned SO HARD in college, I'm an Arkansas fan and I still couldn't hate the guy) so who the gently caress knows. I think he's the best prospect for 2015 but I still don't think he's a NFL guy. I said that poo poo about Cam and he threw over 4000 yards as a rookie and now he may be having his best season ever as a passer because he can't run on that bad leg.

Fenrir fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 11, 2014

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
My team is rear end and Locker is done. Assuming Mettenburger doesn't look like a NFL qb who should I hope for the Titans to draft?

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Metapod posted:

My team is rear end and Locker is done. Assuming Mettenburger doesn't look like a NFL qb who should I hope for the Titans to draft?

Mariota. I mean, I can talk poo poo all day but he's still the best QB coming out of this draft. And he'll be there no matter where you pick in the first round because, really, who else is going to take him? The Rams are going to have a better record (and therefore a lower pick) than you. Raiders, Vikings and Jaguars already have their new QBs and Tampa Bay isn't going to suck as bad as people think they will. Your biggest obstacle will be the Jets, but they'll win enough games on their defense alone to keep out of your draft space. You'll probably get Mariota with the #5 pick.

Unless the Eagles trade up because Chip Kelly wants his college QB, of course. Then you'll get Nick Foles and a draft pick. Not a bad situation really, Foles is good behind a decent OL, which you guys actually have. Not great, but certainly better than the scraps they're putting in the OL in Philly right now behind all those injuries.

Fenrir fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Oct 11, 2014

Roasted Donut
Aug 24, 2007

NWA WHITE POWERRR!!!!

Alouicious posted:

lotta people who don't watch college football talkin about college football players in here

it's that wonderful time of year

PrinceRandom
Feb 26, 2013

ROSS MY SALAD posted:

So an incredibly idiotic reason that has no bearing on anything

yep.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Alouicious posted:

lotta people who don't watch college football talkin about college football players in here

I watch a lot of college football and I still can't really tell how skills will transfer to the next level :(

Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008

Welcome to Moonside.

Wecomel to Soonmide.

Moonwel ot cosidme.

Alouicious posted:

lotta people who don't watch college football talkin about college football players in here

I usually work on Saturdays and my school has been poo poo most of my life except for that brief awesome period where we had Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch at the same time. I catch a few games when I can, but I'm definitely a much more dedicated NFL fan.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Still want Mariota. Can I get a Malzahn/Mariota combo if Rex has to go? That would be nice. It would never happen but at least the thought makes me smile. :unsmith:

bigmcgaffney
Apr 19, 2009
Jaelen Strong is a beast and the Cards should pick him up if they cut Larry.

They will draft a pass rusher no matter where they pick and that's probably the best move.

v2vian man
Sep 1, 2007

Only question I
ever thought was hard
was do I like Kirk
or do I like Picard?

Roasted Donut posted:

it's that wonderful time of year

Did you see that guy throw for 550 yards against Southeast Fuckerton State though....dude has got game

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?

football fuckerman posted:

Did you see that guy throw for 550 yards against Southeast Fuckerton State though....dude has got game

yeah what could possibly be gained from actually watching someone play football when determining how good they are at football

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wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?
The Bucs need so much help I don't even know where to start. A pass rusher is probably the biggest need if Lovie insists on sticking with the cover 2. Everyone said he was done with that but he seems to be calling a lot of it this year. Our secondary is also hot garbage.

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