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I am pretty sure the Raiders will at worst have the #2 pick and the only position we don't need to draft a player is QB. I wish there was a chance we could get a RGIII-haul for the pick but I don't think anyone will be that desperate. Which defensive lineman will be worth a top 2 pick?
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:I am pretty sure the Raiders will at worst have the #2 pick and the only position we don't need to draft a player is QB. I wish there was a chance we could get a RGIII-haul for the pick but I don't think anyone will be that desperate. Which defensive lineman will be worth a top 2 pick?
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Now that Jameis has done everything humanly possible to destroy his stock there isn't a QB in this draft who would get anything close to that kind of haul.
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ZenVulgarity posted:This is a sad thread. You're a sad thread. Skins would be best served going after a O-linemen or DB so they'll take a pass rusher that won't pan out. It is written. I'm also not a College Football Scholar so can someone tell me why Mariota is such a hot prospect? Cash Monet fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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he compares to a raw cam newton, has a very high ceiling if he's given time to develop properly in a good system. could surprise everyone like russell wilson or not get much better and end up as a backup somewhere. He played like a stud last year but it's hard to evaluate him this season since he's got an o-line made of wet tissue paper. if you think that's an exaggeration, wazzu's dumpster fire defense sacked him 7 times
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wheez the roux posted:he compares to a raw cam newton, has a very high ceiling if he's given time to develop properly in a good system. could surprise everyone like russell wilson or not get much better and end up as a backup somewhere. He played like a stud last year but it's hard to evaluate him this season since he's got an o-line made of wet tissue paper. if you think that's an exaggeration, wazzu's dumpster fire defense sacked him 7 times What is his completion percentage under pressure though? Always kind of thought that would be a decent metric but I could be wrong
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wheez the roux posted:he compares to a raw cam newton, has a very high ceiling if he's given time to develop properly in a good system. could surprise everyone like russell wilson or not get much better and end up as a backup somewhere. He played like a stud last year but it's hard to evaluate him this season since he's got an o-line made of wet tissue paper. if you think that's an exaggeration, wazzu's dumpster fire defense sacked him 7 times It also helps that there aren't really any other QBs worth hyping right now. Besides Winston but he won't stop doing dumb things long enough to hype him.
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RoofieMyselfForFun posted:What is his completion percentage under pressure though? Always kind of thought that would be a decent metric but I could be wrong I'm phonr posting so i can't look it up very easily right now but iirc it was good last year and isn't great this year. oregon lost some ground weapons and has been relying on the pass game more often which has affected how defenses play them too
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Man I wish Jameis wasn't such a rapist. I'd want him.
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MourningView posted:yeah what could possibly be gained from actually watching someone play football when determining how good they are at football You can gain a lot, but citing some crazy awesome stat that has no chance of being reproduced in the NFL is one of the more irritating things I hear people do. That extends to season-long stats like x TDs to x INTs when the guy barely faced any NFL-caliber defenders the whole time. Now if you're actually watching, you can see stuff like his quickness in moving through progressions and releasing the ball, and that's useful. It's just that when his quick, accurate 12-yard throw goes for 65 because of a missed tackle, that fact isn't useful.
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So you decided to preemptively call out something that no one is doing? Halliday would be the most obvious example and someone asked about him and two guys said don't draft Mike Leach QBs. (I actually like him a little better than your average Mike Leach guy but that just means I'd be ok with drafting him late)
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That isn't even what RD was talking about anyway. There are a lot of NFL fans who don't follow college football in the slightest but try to speak authoritatively (in a very often stupid way) about prospects based on a couple highlights, whatever scouting thing they've read, and whatever preconceived notion they may have of prospects of that general type (spread qb or whatever else). It happens here and elsewhere every year and can be tiresome if it's in regards to guys you've actually watched play a lot.
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my favorite was when a bills coworker tried to tell me that jeff tuel was the qb of the future and that I should watch his tape before laughing him off I want a hit of whatever he was on
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wheez the roux posted:my favorite was when a bills coworker tried to tell me that jeff tuel was the qb of the future and that I should watch his tape before laughing him off hes right though
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:hes right though *flexes "tuel time 4eva" bicep tattoo*
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Can anyone comment on the overall expected class of offensive tackles. I don't expect the Panthers to be dominant through the rest of the season, but with a weak atlanta, new orleans and tampa providing 5 of the remaining games and a trip to minnesota its easily possible they finish with 9 maybe 10 wins this year and have to pick in the back half.
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BlindSite posted:Can anyone comment on the overall expected class of offensive tackles. I don't expect the Panthers to be dominant through the rest of the season, but with a weak atlanta, new orleans and tampa providing 5 of the remaining games and a trip to minnesota its easily possible they finish with 9 maybe 10 wins this year and have to pick in the back half. There's Cedric Ogbuehi, Brandon Scherff and Andrus Peat on the top end, but they're mostly regarded too highly to be in reach for any of the playoff teams. Realistically they would probably go in the top 12. There's also Ty Sambrailo out of Colorado, he isn't a huge name like the other guys but I expect him to surge. He's a bit more raw than the others, but he's strong and quick and will probably blow up the combine. I like him at RT, but I don't know how well he could play at LT in the NFL. Those are probably the only tackles you'll be seeing in the 1st. For our line I would also keep an eye on AJ Cann, the guard from SCAR, if the panthers give up on Amini Silatolu (they might, and they probably should). On our team this guy is a day one starter and has pro bowl potential in the long run. The only part really missing from his game right now is the mental side. La'el Collins is another possibility- he played alongside Trai Turner at LSU and looks every bit as capable and then some. As of right now, these are the only guys I would take with a first. I don't know why you bother hoping, you know we're going to take some small-school mauler in the 4th because he absolutely dominated in Division II.
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Amini has a fourth year and doesn't cost anything. There's no reason to cut him. But yeah, o-line and DBs next year. All of them.
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FizFashizzle posted:Amini has a fourth year and doesn't cost anything. There's no reason to cut him. You don't have to cut him but you drat sure don't have to start him either
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Ozu posted:Man I wish Jameis wasn't such a rapist. I'd want him. Take what you want from him without asking imo
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Latest Kiper rankings per position...quote:Quarterbacks
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Woah, a David Johnson apperance. Completely deserved too, but I didn't expect that at all given that UNI is having a meh year and is a I-AA school. I think he's better than several of the guys above him though. He's a big dude who is an absolute monster of an all purpose guy. Granted, it was the first game of the year and we're breaking in all new linebackers, but Iowa's defense has been pretty solid against the pass this year and he absolutely abused on wheel routes and stuff all game long. Seems to have pretty decent speed too. I've only seen him in a handful of games against Iowa and ISU, but he was impressive in all of them. If he tests as fast as he looks on the field he could rise in a big way, because the skills are definitely there.
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I'd argue that Vince Mayle should be on the list for WRs; he's probably the only current WSU player I'd say is worth drafting this year. His play reminds me a lot of Mike Evans or Marquess Wilson. Speaking of Wilson he should be back from IR any week now and I can't wait to see what he can do with his first real chance in the Cutler/Trestman offense. I tutored him when he was still here and he's chill as poo poo, I hope he makes hella cash and tears up the division  wheez the roux fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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I have no idea who that Oklahoma receiver in Kiper's list is and I've seen all their games this year.
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Dorial Green-Beckham is an Oklahoma player in name only. He was at Mizzou last year but got in legal trouble (maybe hit his girlfriend, I don't remember) and it wasn't for the first time so they kicked him off the team. He transferred to Oklahoma in the hopes that he could play this year but NCAA regulations forbade it so he's just sitting around this year. He's an incredibly talented, like AJ Green level talented, WR who is probably a total dumb poo poo rear end in a top hat that someone will probably take a chance on despite his off field stuff. If it looks like he won't go in the first two rounds my guess is he stays another year in College and actually plays for Oklahoma. Guy has every tool you could want in WR, he's just hosed up as a person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RbScAlzrJM His TD catch against Kentucky was truly wonderful to behold.
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he threw his girlfriend down a flight of stairs, specifically
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Ozu posted:Man I wish Jameis wasn't such a rapist. I'd want him. Even if he's 100% innocent of rape somehow, the dude just seems to be an apocalyptic moron who can't stop making GBS threads himself in public.
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sean10mm posted:Even if he's 100% innocent of rape somehow, the dude just seems to be an apocalyptic moron who can't stop making GBS threads himself in public. If he goes top 3 I see a 90% chance of a leaf-esque meltdown
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So the guy leading the entire nation in rushing yards, avg yards per game and yards per attempt isn't in Mel's top 10 RBs? Seems legit.
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Fenrir posted:Unless the Eagles trade up because Chip Kelly wants his college QB, of course. Then you'll get Nick Foles and a draft pick. Not a bad situation really, Foles is good behind a decent OL, which you guys actually have. Not great, but certainly better than the scraps they're putting in the OL in Philly right now behind all those injuries. If Chip is trading up for anyone it had better be Ifo. Speaking of which, do smaller CBs play outside? Maybe it's just me, but it seems that most of the good CBs in this league are around 6' tall. Maybe Waynes/Peters would be a better choice then, since we may not have to trade up? My opinions are bad. e: How has Kendall Fuller played this year, and what are the chances he comes out? I don't think he redshirted. Brannigans Law fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Brannigans Law posted:Speaking of which, do smaller CBs play outside? Maybe it's just me, but it seems that most of the good CBs in this league are around 6' tall. Maybe Waynes/Peters would be a better choice then, since we may not have to trade up? My opinions are bad.
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Brannigans Law posted:If Chip is trading up for anyone it had better be Ifo. Last year Brent grimes was one of the best cornerbacks in the nfl by some series of metrics also he was awesome regardless of metrics and he's about 5'9
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Antoine Winfield was also consistent, high quality CB for a decade also at 5'9". Short CBs are going to lose jump ball battles but if they've got solid coverage and tackling skills, there is no reason why they can't be effective outside. Josh Robinson is having a solid bounceback season and while most of it is Zimmer's black magic, Robinson has said he's more comfortable out there instead of covering the slot like he did in 2013. WHOOPS fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Man the Texans should look at every loving QB playing in college right the gently caress now to see if they can hack it in the NFL level. I like Hundley's size but it seems like he hasn't done himself any favors this year. I have a really sinking feeling that the Texans will not draft a QB very high in the draft in 2014 which is going to make me sad because I don't want front row seats to the Ryan Mallet Experience™.
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b0ng posted:Man the Texans should look at every loving QB playing in college right the gently caress now to see if they can hack it in the NFL level. I like Hundley's size but it seems like he hasn't done himself any favors this year. I have a really sinking feeling that the Texans will not draft a QB very high in the draft in 2014 which is going to make me sad because I don't want front row seats to the Ryan Mallet Experience™. They're just going to sign Sam Bradford
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:They're just going to sign Sam Bradford That... might not be a terrible idea, actually
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Grozz Nuy posted:That... might not be a terrible idea, actually Only works if you find a future hall of fame UFA bag boy at a grocery to be his backup That would be my plan
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