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Effectronica posted:All right, lets get serious in GBS? 
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Miltank posted:The Kingdom of Heaven will be the establishment of full communism. i say we still try and see what happens, otherwise its just another transformers movie every year
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Oct 16, 2014 18:04
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Its funny how many defenses of capitalism just boil down to clinical depression with a few words changed.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:05
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Oberleutnant posted:Also when half of the world's wealth is hoarded by like 5% of the people then yeah eveyone pretty much is poor under capitalism lol haha it is 1/5 of that http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29641109 Lenin and Marx were cool and all but they are heavily grounded in Modernism and the belief that humanity can create a heaven on earth.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:06
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Nonsense posted:another transformers movie every year
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Oct 16, 2014 18:06
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Oberleutnant posted:Communism is a very specifically defined mode of production that is easily identified when implemented, and no state has. Pls show the class a single historical or contemporary study or article which claimed the ussr had implemented full communism. "Communism would work if people would just give it a chance" has been the whiny excuse given by communist apologists for decades. It's like saying "this plane would fly if only it had the proper pilot." There's a reason your lovely plane keeps crashing and it ain't the pilot's fault. It's because it's built the way you think planes should be rather than the way planes actually work. Maybe the people in coach class on the capitalist plane don't have enough legroom and their meals are lovely, but at least they're not a smoking crater in the ground.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:07
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Applewhite posted:"Communism would work if people would just give it a chance" has been the whiny excuse given by communist apologists for decades. It's like saying "this plane would fly if only it had the proper pilot." There's a reason your lovely plane keeps crashing and it ain't the pilot's fault. It's because it's built the way you think planes should be rather than the way planes actually work. There never has historically been a fully communist government. Even halfway is pushing it. lol
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Oct 16, 2014 18:08
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Applewhite posted:"Communism would work if people would just give it a chance" has been the whiny excuse given by communist apologists for decades. communist apologists have been correct for decades now, good observation.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:08
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Tsinava posted:There never has historically been a fully communist government. Even halfway is pushing it. lol And halfway was bad enough.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:09
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Applewhite posted:"Communism would work if people would just give it a chance" has been the whiny excuse given by communist apologists for decades. It's like saying "this plane would fly if only it had the proper pilot." There's a reason your lovely plane keeps crashing and it ain't the pilot's fault. It's because it's built the way you think planes should be rather than the way planes actually work. See what I mean? This is basically some guy explaining how he's comfortable sitting in the shower and crying for 3 hours, and also he might get mugged if he goes outside, people get mugged all the time!
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Oct 16, 2014 18:10
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Applewhite posted:And halfway was bad enough. It was actually really good. It gave Russia infrastructure where there would otherwise be none.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:11
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Come on OP, mixing politics with gay magic the gathering cards is something the far right does.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:12
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Effectronica posted:See what I mean? This is basically some guy explaining how he's comfortable sitting in the shower and crying for 3 hours, and also he might get mugged if he goes outside, people get mugged all the time! lol you're right under communism I wouldn't be crying in the shower because I would have no running water.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:12
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Applewhite posted:lol you're right under communism I wouldn't be crying in the shower because I would have no running water. Now we get to the denial. "Sure, I'm not happy, but I'm comfortable, and that's what matters, right?"
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Oct 16, 2014 18:13
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hey how come Russia didn't immediately become the number #1 world power in all measurable aspects after a bloody regime change in the early 20th century? Seems like forty or so years should have been more than enough time to out produce the most powerful industrial economy of all time.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:14
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Applewhite posted:"Communism would work if people would just give it a chance" has been the whiny excuse given by communist apologists for decades. It's like saying "this plane would fly if only it had the proper pilot." There's a reason your lovely plane keeps crashing and it ain't the pilot's fault. It's because it's built the way you think planes should be rather than the way planes actually work. this except switch capitalism and communism
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Oct 16, 2014 18:15
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*rescues a country from agrarian serf economy to putting a man in space in 60 years, with the entire engine of capitalism directed against it and though the most devastating conflicts in world history* lol what a crock of poo poo
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Oct 16, 2014 18:15
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McDowell posted:Lenin and Marx were cool and all but they are heavily grounded in Modernism and the belief that humanity can create a heaven on earth. um, wasn't marx's entire thesis basically a response to the utopian socialists of the era?
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Oct 16, 2014 18:16
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*Achieves 200 years of industrial development in 40 years* ugh it doesnt loving work u idiots
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Oct 16, 2014 18:17
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hmmm i dont think people exactly understand how feudal, rural, and shittier russia was before the revolution. lol
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Oct 16, 2014 18:18
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The biggest flaw in ussr's socialim was it had no capital to invest to start with. We do. We have lots of tasty bourgie children to cook and eat
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Oct 16, 2014 18:19
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Oberleutnant posted:*Achieves 200 years of industrial development in 40 years* ugh it doesnt loving work u idiots
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Oct 16, 2014 18:20
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Effectronica posted:Now we get to the denial. "Sure, I'm not happy, but I'm comfortable, and that's what matters, right?" Who said I wasn't happy? Oberleutnant posted:*rescues a country from agrarian serf economy to putting a man in space in 60 years, with the entire engine of capitalism directed against it and though the most devastating conflicts in world history* lol what a crock of poo poo If communism is so great, the "entire engine of capitalism" should have been nothing to worry about.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:20
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Omi-Polari posted:not saying state war socialism doesn't build you things. but what we're saying is that capitalism is better. no it's not because capitalism needs more and more capital to produce labor less and less efficiently.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:20
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Capitalism sucks
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Oct 16, 2014 18:21
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communism needs zero capital to efficiently produce labor, capital sure freaking helps though!
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Oct 16, 2014 18:21
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Omi-Polari posted:not saying state war socialism doesn't build you things. but what we're saying is that capitalism is better. Better at what? At turning human relationships into things you can buy and sell? In exalting greed and tyranny as the greatest behaviors? Applewhite posted:Who said I wasn't happy? Then, of course, we get to the part of the analogy where you lose your job or partner, which is roughly equivalent to the ongoing environmental collapse we've got going on.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:22
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OP hopefully this video will help straighten you out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAFSrKqIKdc
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Oct 16, 2014 18:24
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Effectronica posted:Better at what? At turning human relationships into things you can buy and sell? In exalting greed and tyranny as the greatest behaviors?
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Oct 16, 2014 18:24
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Applewhite posted:OP hopefully this video will help straighten you out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAFSrKqIKdc Is this cartoon what you learned all about Capitalism from?
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Oct 16, 2014 18:25
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all communist countries revert to capitalism eventually. some just get there quicker than others. 
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Oct 16, 2014 18:27
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Tsinava posted:Is this cartoon what you learned all about Capitalism from? This and everything Ayn Rand ever wrote including her nonfiction. Also another video I can't find because IE is being lovely. I'll post it later. Oh and from living in a capitalist society where everything is plentiful and life is awesome.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:27
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anarcho-capitalism ftw.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:27
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Omi-Polari posted:all communist countries revert to capitalism eventually. some just get there quicker than others. No "Communist" countries really had capitalism to begin with. Anyway these threads are dumb and gay, and are just a honey pot for retards. voted 1.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:31
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Applewhite posted:"Communism would work if people would just give it a chance" has been the whiny excuse given by communist apologists for decades. It's like saying "this plane would fly if only it had the proper pilot." There's a reason your lovely plane keeps crashing and it ain't the pilot's fault. It's because it's built the way you think planes should be rather than the way planes actually work. the plane keeps crashing because if it ever successfully takes off the people who own the capitalist plane will immediately go out of business because it is transparently a better and fairer plane so they shoot missiles at it until it crashes
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Oct 16, 2014 18:32
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why yes of course, the only two options for a socio-economic system ever are capitalism and communism at any rate, the latter is doomed to end in a dismal, oppressive failure like every other lovely Platonically inspired political idea, and the former literally IS Plato's cave
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Oct 16, 2014 18:33
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Phoon posted:the plane keeps crashing because if it ever successfully takes off the people who own the capitalist plane will immediately go out of business because it is transparently a better and fairer plane so they shoot missiles at it until it crashes I guess we can't know for sure because the communist plane will never get off the ground :P
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Oct 16, 2014 18:37
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The revolution will not be televised. But the counter-revolution will. 
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Oct 16, 2014 18:41
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Lol if you think theres any kind of future and that human sentience isn't ultimately an evolutionary dead end. Capitalism is alienating as gently caress and will ultimately destroy us all, but it will allow me to go out clinging to my love pillow and my ceramic figurine collection.
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Oberleutnant posted:Taking your assertion as true, why not then choose the form of government which offers the most benefits to the greatest number of people? Ie communism lol, duh. american capitalism has been guilty of ethnic cleansing for every century of it's existence. we just celebrate it under different terminology.
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