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at first i thought effectronica was ironically bad and now im not really sure anymore but it doesn't actually matter because they're just criminally boring and trite eitherway. mods please gas. e:
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curious lump posted:at first i thought effectronica was ironically bad and now im not really sure anymore but it doesn't actually matter because they're just criminally boring and trite eitherway. ill gas u fucker
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 19:43 |
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this isn't the hitler thread thanks
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 19:44 |
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curious lump posted:at first i thought effectronica was ironically bad and now im not really sure anymore but it doesn't actually matter because they're just criminally boring and trite eitherway. i will make you breath my fart gas
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 19:45 |
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hitler didn't like "own" nerve gas. even if he did communism abolishes private property lol
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 19:45 |
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Actually, the only hope for humanity is George Takei. Have you seen his Facebook? The win to fail ratio is insane!
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 19:49 |
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Applewhite posted:Considering human greed is an impulse that can never be eliminated, it seems more realistic to go with the system that is actually intended to channel the human greed impulse to productive ends (capitalism) rather than the one that pretends it doesn't exist and also breaks irreparably the first time anyone is even slightly greedy (communism). Capitalism does not intentionally do anything. It is not a philosophy or a coherent system of organization, it is just people who have money/power declaring this to be the best of all possible worlds. mysterious frankie posted:Actually, the only hope for humanity is George Takei. Have you seen his Facebook? The win to fail ratio is insane! He gave the Mayday PAC a ton of new 'Marx'
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McDowell posted:Capitalism does not intentionally do anything. It is not a philosophy or a coherent system of organization, it is just people who have money/power declaring this to be the best of all possible worlds. Good enough for me.
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Applewhite posted:Good enough for me.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 19:58 |
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Applewhite posted:Dude I used to be way into communism back in the day. All reading Marx and such. I even had one of those chinese hats and an authentic Little Red Book from China. Then I actually looked at how the "ideals" of communism have only ever been used by extremely evil men to scam millions of people. Saying "Communism is a good idea in theory" is very much akin to how "homeopathic medicine is a good idea in theory." So you were an embarrassingly superficial marxo-teen, you've always looked at socialism as if it were a heaven-on-earth ideal, and disillusionment has given you a great insight that no self-confessed communist could possess, because you went through a phase as a teenager. Thanks for your opinions.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:05 |
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I swear communism will work this time guys!
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:07 |
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Deep Thought posted:So you were an embarrassingly superficial marxo-teen, you've always looked at socialism as if it were a heaven-on-earth ideal, and disillusionment has given you a great insight that no self-confessed communist could possess, all because you've been through a teenage fad. Thanks for your opinions. Yeah p. much, though I will point out that "responsible for millions upon millions of deaths and also widespread poverty even for hardworking and intelligent citizens" is a little bit beyond "falling short of adolescent expectations." This isn't finding out your favorite baseball star was on steroids, this is finding out he was a mass murderer on steroids and also all other drugs and lied about being a baseball star.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:08 |
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What if communism was about finding a system of fairly controlling the common resources that we share as humans?
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:11 |
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what i don't get is how commies in these threads always talk about how you can't bring up the USSR and a bunch of other failed communist states, but then on a dime they also praise those states for their amazing achievements until the world ran in the opposite direction as fast as it could. i mean if you're proposing something new then that's cool and i'm interested. but what i actually hear is a let's go with a giant rotting leftist state again. okay that'll be disastrous. that's self-deluded.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:13 |
if the free market desires the exploitation of poors, then the exploitation of poors is inherently moral.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:14 |
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Omi-Polari posted:what i don't get is how commies in these threads always talk about how you can't bring up the USSR and a bunch of other failed communist states, but then on a dime they also praise those states for their amazing achievements until the world ran in the opposite direction as fast as it could. People bring up the successes of the USSR because it highlights that economies alternative to free market capitalism can be extremely powerful. I agree with you about the second part though, leninism should die.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:16 |
furthermore, if people are too weak-willed to rise in society by their own power, then their exploitation and eventual death is not only moral, but necessary to maintain the quality of humanity
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Freak Futanari posted:furthermore, if people are too weak-willed to rise in society by their own power, then their exploitation and eventual death is not only moral, but necessary to maintain the quality of humanity This but unironically.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:20 |
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Omi-Polari posted:what i don't get is how commies in these threads always talk about how you can't bring up the USSR and a bunch of other failed communist states, but then on a dime they also praise those states for their amazing achievements until the world ran in the opposite direction as fast as it could. the economic successes of the soviet union which were pretty amazing for several decades prove that central planning can function as an alternative to capitalism. that doesnt mean the soviet union didnt suck in a multitude of other ways
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Applewhite posted:This but unironically. please dont imply that i was being ironic.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:22 |
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:the economic successes of the soviet union which were pretty amazing for several decades prove that central planning can function as an alternative to capitalism. that doesnt mean the soviet union didnt suck in a multitude of other ways Someone needs to retry Gosplan with modern Information Technology.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:22 |
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Freak Futanari posted:please dont imply that i was being ironic. I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Also, you're cool and we should be friends.
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Omi-Polari posted:what i don't get is how commies in these threads always talk about how you can't bring up the USSR and a bunch of other failed communist states, but then on a dime they also praise those states for their amazing achievements until the world ran in the opposite direction as fast as it could. You seriously want a lengthy proposition in the middle of GBS, outlining a grand reconciliation between Marxist, anarchist, and liberal ideas? But I would suggest reading Karel Capek, for real.
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Omi-Polari posted:what i don't get is how commies in these threads always talk about how you can't bring up the USSR and a bunch of other failed communist states, but then on a dime they also praise those states for their amazing achievements until the world ran in the opposite direction as fast as it could. This is how everybody feels about the nation or ideology they represent. Be proud of the good stuff, deny any responsibility for the bad stuff. Apologists for capitalism go another route entirely. Rather than debate the relative merits and costs of that system, they now deny that any other system is even possible. Fun to argue about, but present-day communists are as relevant as those Dark Enlightenment nerds. I.e. not at all, and if they ever tried to implement anything they would be crushed by right and left wing alike.
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Omi-Polari posted:what i don't get is how commies in these threads always talk about how you can't bring up the USSR and a bunch of other failed communist states, but then on a dime they also praise those states for their amazing achievements until the world ran in the opposite direction as fast as it could. The achievements of those failed transitions were real and spectacular - all three realised in decades stunning developments in the sciences and industry that took the west hundreds of years to reach. The failures were also very real - Russia stalled into political repression and mismanagement for decades before ultimate collapse, while both Cuba and China are opening their economies to capitalism, presumably to avert the same catastrophic collapse that was seen in the USSR. Pointing out the real victories of socilaist states while acknowledging their failure to reach the communist idea isn't contradictory.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:25 |
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Effectronica posted:You seriously want a lengthy proposition in the middle of GBS, outlining a grand reconciliation between Marxist, anarchist, and liberal ideas? But I would suggest reading Karel Capek, for real. I suggest reading Richard Rorty and then doing the exact opposite of everything he says.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:25 |
while we're at it, there's nothing wrong with wealthy people using their wealth to get wealthier. commies often point it out as a problem, when in reality investment is a completely normal and healthy business practice, that allows society as a whole to grow and flourish
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Applewhite posted:I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Also, you're cool and we should be friends. *respectful nod*
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Applewhite posted:I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Also, you're cool and we should be friends. truly goon friend your libertarian words intrigue me might i also subscribe to your newsletter??
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:26 |
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DoctorStrangelove posted:I swear communism will work this time guys! The vanguard party is good.
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as a counterpoint, id like to point out that the wealthy are swine and should be slaughtered with pangas. double plus literally unironically.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:27 |
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paranoid randroid posted:as a counterpoint, id like to point out that the wealthy are swine and should be slaughtered with pangas. double plus literally unironically.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:28 |
the reality is that most of the ills that people ascribe to capitalism are in reality the result of government, which conveniently also explains why communist governments fall into similar pitfalls. capitalism will function perfectly the moment the cancerous influence of government is removed entirely.
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paranoid randroid posted:as a counterpoint, id like to point out that the wealthy are swine and should be slaughtered with pangas. double plus literally unironically. being run over by a boat would be pretty sweet way to kill the rich yeah
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paranoid randroid posted:as a counterpoint, id like to point out that the wealthy are swine and should be slaughtered with pangas. double plus literally unironically. Live like the Romanovs, die like the Romanovs.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:29 |
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private investment should be illegal and punishable with death by scaphism
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:29 |
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My fav central planning fail. Khrushchevs introduction of corn into central Asia despite no one having any desire to buy or consume corn in central Asia.
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# ? Oct 16, 2014 20:30 |
notice how communists are eager to express their desires to violently murder political dissidents, whereas most people who ascribe to capitalistic values are more than willing to let commies compete with them on the ideological free market. this should say quite a bit, about the fact that even the communists are aware of how flawed their beliefs are.
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PrinceRandom posted:My fav central planning fail. Khrushchevs introduction of corn into central Asia despite no one having any desire to buy or consume corn in central Asia. Man, if only there were some kind of... force that indicated what markets are viable. A "market force" if you will. You know, something self-correcting that runs on the cumulative will of an entire population.
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Effectronica posted:You seriously want a lengthy proposition in the middle of GBS, outlining a grand reconciliation between Marxist, anarchist, and liberal ideas? But I would suggest reading Karel Capek, for real.
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