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Space Whale posted:Even if I'm NOT at amazon or facebook? They're participating in the same job market as everyone else in the area, so yeah.
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Jun 1, 2015 18:00
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Munkeymon posted:They're participating in the same job market as everyone else in the area, so yeah. OK, let me give you a little visualization aid in the form of a description. I'm a programmer driving for four days straight to get out of Florida, crossing the Appalachians, Mississippi, great plains, and Rocky mountains. Then the Cascades! I arrive in Snohomish. I will have by then have had phone screens, some skype interviews, and have some in persons lined up. The most I've ever made here in Florida is 75K. I have 3 years of experience. I should with a straight face ask for 130K? Nobody is going to balk?
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Jun 1, 2015 18:14
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Space Whale posted:The most I've ever made here in Florida is 75K. I have 3 years of experience. You should probably ask for more and negotiate downward. Cost of living is stupidly high and SF and low in FL, so don't get too thrown off by the salary disparity.
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Jun 1, 2015 18:29
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Space Whale posted:The most I've ever made here in Florida is 75K. I have 3 years of experience. In your situation (moving from a low-wage low-COL area to a high-wage high-COL area), as in most, it is very much in your interest not to reveal your past salary at any point in the interview -> offer -> negotiate process.
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Jun 1, 2015 18:33
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Space Whale posted:The most I've ever made here in Florida is 75K. I have 3 years of experience. You're thinking about this the wrong way. Your skill doesn't have some set worth that doesn't vary no matter what - it's worth whatever someone in the market you're selling it in is willing to pay. It sounds like a mid-level dev in the Seattle area should expect to make 135k/yr base on average, so that's what you should aim for. Grats on getting out of Florida, btw.
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Jun 1, 2015 18:53
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Bognar posted:You should probably ask for more and negotiate downward. Cost of living is stupidly high and SF and low in FL, so don't get too thrown off by the salary disparity. *Seattle, not SF. In SF I'd have NO antsyness about asking that much.
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Jun 1, 2015 19:35
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I work in the Kansas City area and currently make 60k. Title is web developer, 4 years experience. I love my company - great benefits, awesome boss, laid back working environment. But I get the feeling I could be pulling in a better salary. Some of my research confirms this, but some puts me in at above average (Payscale, for one, puts me in the 85th percentile), so I don't really know what to think. I'm considering asking for a raise. We get annual raises, but they're barely higher than inflation. Is it ever a bad idea to ask for a significant raise? And is it a bad idea to play the "I'd love to stay at this company but I'll leave for better pay" card? If I ask, what should I even base my number on?
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Jun 1, 2015 20:26
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I may have hosed up by just looking at Facebook. http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/seattle-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IM781_KO8,25.htm says the average is in the 90s and FB is the big money for the area. Sorry about that 
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Jun 1, 2015 21:55
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Munkeymon posted:I may have hosed up by just looking at Facebook. http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/seattle-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IM781_KO8,25.htm says the average is in the 90s and FB is the big money for the area. Sorry about that So, ask for 90k or ask for 100K? Salary.com says mid level guys (3 years is mid level I assume) get around 80, but I want to know how high to start the haggling. I'm rusty since I've basically peaked where I am now.
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Jun 1, 2015 22:58
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As a Software Engineer in Seattle, my impression of the market is that you can safely ask for 100k base as a mid level guy. You'll price out a few places, but probably nowhere you'd otherwise be dying to work at.
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...But first, a place in Austin just finished a final interview with me, I'll hear back tomorrow, unless they repeat the SF job. I already talked basic numbers and threw out 85, is that good for a midlevel? Worst case I'll just  but whatever.
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Ender.uNF posted:I just moved my family to SF (despite the high rents) from Dallas about 10 months ago. In that amount of time I've met more people serious about their craft and done more networking than I did in the ~8 years I spent in DFW. I've also been personally recognized for my efforts to a much greater degree (not that I'm a genius or close to it). Tech talks happen weekly here and 100 developers will show up (and if you attend the right ones they're not veiled recruiting events.) Meetups have 20-50 people show instead of a pathetic 3. I've also found a ton of cool chill people who aren't the stereotypical douche-bro tech kid and a lot of startups actively screen for that bullshit. I'll echo this. I'm in DC which isn't exactly a backwater anymore but I spend ~3 weeks a year in SFO at various things and the caliber of the developers and the cool stuff they are working on is miles ahead of this town. Only thing close I've seen is NYC. Unfortunately my wife hates both those cities.
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Space Whale posted:Bay Area update: nothing, not a yes, not a no, just nothing. Welp. Hired.com Relocated to SF from the east coast through hired.com. salary + relocation bonus up front before you have your first conversation. 125k/yr myself (after 1 year of expenses here, this is comparable to 75-85k in non-metro US) First Time Caller fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 15:40
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First Time Caller posted:Hired.com Now in Austin making 85, been here since Sunday. Even had a relocation bonus! Chill AF office, though since this summer is super mild and the UT students aren't around yet, I've yet to experience a real summer or real traffic yet.
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Jul 8, 2015 22:05
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a slime posted:When people throw around numbers like this, are you considering total comp or just salary? I would have expected salary + stock grants to be 200-220k for anyone with a few years experience in the Bay Area. Yes I do mean salary + bonus + rsu. If you know any engineers with 3-5 years experience making 200+, I'd love to get in on that.
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Jul 9, 2015 01:00
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MeruFM posted:Most software jobs don't break the 200k barrier even in the bay area. You would need to be a senior engineer (5-7+ year) at goog/fb or an architect/staff at another established company. Google and Facebook will pay close to 250k/yr total compensation for fresh grads. sailormoon fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Jul 9, 2015 01:34
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sailormoon posted:Google and Facebook will pay close to 250k/yr total compensation for fresh grads. Do you have any sources for that? I want to believe but at the same time I'm  but with little dollar signs coming out
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Jul 9, 2015 05:21
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Munkeymon posted:Do you have any sources for that? I want to believe but at the same time I'm http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-typical-Facebook-or-Google-offer-for-software-engineering-new-grads These are all from 2012/2013 and before negotiations. Having a competing offer, negotiating up, and interning at the company previously means much bigger numbers.  I am a fresh grad working at one of those companies and my offer is worth ~220k. It goes up and down depending on how well the stock is doing, but it's still well over 200k with 0 industry experience aside from internships straight out of school. sailormoon fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Munkeymon posted:Do you have any sources for that? I want to believe but at the same time I'm http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/04/02/stanford_graduates_get_fought_over_by_tech_companies_like_snapchat_and_have.html
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Jul 9, 2015 05:35
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Bognar posted:You should probably ask for more and negotiate downward. Cost of living is stupidly high and SF and low in FL, so don't get too thrown off by the salary disparity. It seems as if a lot of engineers underestimate the power of highball initial offers. If you've gone through a lengthy interview process and potentially done a code challenge, maybe even gone out for drinks with the CTO or engineering team, they've already become invested in you. This gives you the power to ask for a ridiculous sum of money without them saying  . They're going to be much more willing to settle for a larger sum than they initially budgeted for. If they don't, just go find another company. If you live in a major metropolitan area, you can pretty much throw a rock and hit a dev shop.
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Jul 9, 2015 16:23
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El Marrow posted:It seems as if a lot of engineers underestimate the power of highball initial offers. For anyone who doesn't know, it's called anchoring and it's hilariously effective.
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Jul 9, 2015 16:29
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sailormoon posted:http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-typical-Facebook-or-Google-offer-for-software-engineering-new-grads Holy poo poo. I mean, congratulations and you deserve it but goddamnit.
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Jul 9, 2015 16:32
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200k initial salary sounds incredibly hosed up for my tiny socialist brain
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Jul 9, 2015 16:46
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netcat posted:200k[+] initial salary sounds incredibly hosed up for my tiny socialist brain That isn't salary, it's salary + cash annual bonus + cash signing bonus + stock signing bonus. I think the typical way to make apples-to-apples comparisons between offers with dissimilar compositions wrt. these components is to make a 'normalized' annual salary by amortizing the cash signing bonus over three years and doing the same for the portion of the stock signing bonus that will be vested within three years. There are more things to take into consideration to get a truly fair accounting, of course.
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Bognar posted:For anyone who doesn't know, it's called anchoring and it's hilariously effective. Learning the actual term for this has made my day.
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Jul 9, 2015 17:53
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sailormoon posted:http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-typical-Facebook-or-Google-offer-for-software-engineering-new-grads I'm surprised you're getting this before negotiations. Did you ask for 250 to start? Some people I know are getting screwed out of a lot of money..
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MeruFM posted:Some people I know are getting screwed out of a lot of money.. We were discussing this elsewhere but someone else was in negations with google and had a competing offer, asked for more money and google roughly said: "We can't pay you so much more than your future teammates". Maybe I caught the tail end of a joke, though.
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Jul 9, 2015 23:31
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Blotto Skorzany posted:That isn't salary, it's salary + cash annual bonus + cash signing bonus + stock signing bonus. I think the typical way to make apples-to-apples comparisons between offers with dissimilar compositions wrt. these components is to make a 'normalized' annual salary by amortizing the cash signing bonus over three years and doing the same for the portion of the stock signing bonus that will be vested within three years. There are more things to take into consideration to get a truly fair accounting, of course. Which takes it down from 'holy poo poo that's a lot of loving money' to 'god dammit that is a hell of a lot of money for a 24 year old to start making'
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MeruFM posted:I'm surprised you're getting this before negotiations. Did you ask for 250 to start? Sorry for not being more specific in my post! I got that amount after showing a competing offer and negotiating. I also had previously interned at the company which results in a higher base offer to my knowledge. However, everybody's numbers in the Quora post is before negotiations which proves my point by itself.
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wwb posted:I'll echo this. I'm in DC which isn't exactly a backwater anymore but I spend ~3 weeks a year in SFO at various things and the caliber of the developers and the cool stuff they are working on is miles ahead of this town. Only thing close I've seen is NYC. This is why I work remote. I've got aging family here in St Louis and my wife refuses to take the California bar exam, so moving to the valley myself is out of the question. All the big dev shops here in STL seem to basically employ B or C-players for the most part. Also, the intersection of companies in STL that have A-players and would pay me the kind of money I'm making is a null set. I've been working with a team in SF the last 2 years, although tomorrow's my last day and after next week I'll be working with a team in Palo Alto. Having one Silicon Valley company on your resume seems to give you enough street cred to convince someone else to hire you remote.
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Wow, are you able to make a bay area-level salary while still being remote? Are you 100% remote, or do you have to go there occasionally at all?
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Cryolite posted:Wow, are you able to make a bay area-level salary while still being remote? It's not ludicrous bay area money, but the offer I just took was for $130K base plus bonus. I'd probably only be able to pull $90K in STL for the same nature of work. The last gig, I've traveled out to the office probably about once a quarter. The travel expectations on the new job seem similarly low-impact. I do like coming out there though, because a critical mass of tech means there's always some interesting developer meetup or whatever to hit up. Also I've got a lot of friends/family in the bay area so it's a good excuse for me to go have dinner/drinks with everyone. Obviously though my mileage varies on the travel requirements. I have a friend who works remote for a household name tech company in SF, and they expect him to be in the office one week every month.
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Jul 10, 2015 03:36
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sailormoon posted:http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-typical-Facebook-or-Google-offer-for-software-engineering-new-grads What kind of skills are expected at a position like that?
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mobby_6kl posted:What kind of skills are expected at a position like that? Ability to work 100+ hours a week fueled only by coffee and a strong belief that hard work pays off.
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Your average programmer at Googbooksoft is not working anything like those kind of crazy startup hours. Maybe some folks at Amazon do, we have poasters that work there that would know.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:55
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Blotto Skorzany posted:Your average programmer at Googbooksoft is not working anything like those kind of crazy startup hours. Maybe some folks at Amazon do, we have poasters that work there that would know. My friend knows a lot of NYC Googlers and I was legitimately frustrated when she said they all have startup companies. Analytic Engine fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 18:08
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Blotto Skorzany posted:Your average programmer at Googbooksoft is not working anything like those kind of crazy startup hours. Maybe some folks at Amazon do, we have poasters that work there that would know. I think I put in ~35 hours this week. One time I had to work a weekend and then I took the next week off. But I'm going to Berlin next week so I guess I'm working 24x7.
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Not to say there aren't horrors. But people choose those fast paced teams knowing what it's going to be like. I just don't.
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drat. I thought it would take a counteroffer to beat $200k, not $250k. When I got hired at Huge Company B, a manager I knew there told me "for future reference, if you also get an offer from Huge Company A, your comp will just go up, up, up, up."Analytic Engine posted:My friend knows a lot of NYC Googlers and I was legitimately frustrated when she said they all have startup companies. What do you mean by this? There are people who work there who have their own startups that aren't covered by assignment agreements?
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