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Yea just look at "the data". Because "the data" wouldn't lie to you, baby. Ohshit page snipe, better add content. Ahem... I too believe that corporations can literally only always be a force of good forever and always. Kibbles n Shits fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Oct 29, 2014 |
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amuayse posted:We spend money on those darn yuropoors' defence. Maybe they should stop mooching off us and pull up their pants and pick up a gun Again, unironically, we should stop spending for any foreign aid, military or otherwise except for a select few trusted allies.
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Oct 29, 2014 03:20
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Post cool rocket explosions since it's better than a lame D&D debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeS8GvLh1Jo
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Oct 29, 2014 03:21
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amuayse posted:We spend money on those darn yuropoors' defence. Maybe they should stop mooching off us and pull up their pants and pick up a gun someone in europe might post something like this if they weren't terrified of russia launching broken cold war era missiles from catapaults into their yards
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Oct 29, 2014 03:21
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TEAYCHES posted:literally none of this is true and if you look at the data the free market literally always returns better results because they are beholden to actual metrics and budgets ah yes the free market maximizes its efficiency in never dumping toxic waste everywhere, killing people with contaminated food, failing to serve rural populations that are less profitable to serve, running free and fair elections without any bribery or scandal, maintaining prisoners in humane conditions even though it's obviously cheaper to just abuse and neglect them, definitely never massively over-exploiting limited resources (timber, mineral, animal, etc.) even though whoever overexploits them first gets the most profit, and of course, most importantly, we'd totally have a thriving orbital telecommunications network today even if no government ever spent money on space, because highly efficient free market forces are totally capable of raising tens of billions of dollars just to experiment with rockets and create a new industry from scratch even though profitability would not be possible for decades. Oh wait no, it's never done any of those things well and several it could never have produced at all. There is only one way in which the free market maximizes efficiency, and that is in returning short-term value to its investors. Literally any endeavor in which the goal is not to return maximum profits to the investors in as little time as possible, is performed poorly or catastrophically poorly or usually just not at all, by "the free market." I don't want to live in a world where things like medical care, criminal justice, elections, public utilities, environmental protection, and transportation networks are left to the free market to provide; and if you had any idea what the gently caress you were talking about, you wouldn't either. If you had the world you are asking for, you'd be a slave.
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Oct 29, 2014 03:32
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TEAYCHES posted:the free market literally always returns better results because they are beholden to actual metrics and budgets lol in theory maybe
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Oct 29, 2014 03:35
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ethanol posted:being an astronaut is probably loving terrifying you're a tiny fragile thing strapped to a gigantic metal monstrosity that is propelled by a controlled explosion that is only a calculation off from being an exploding mess yeah, terrifying is putting it lightly. also, the idea of going for a spacewalk and drifting away, only to slowly die in the dark void.
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Oct 29, 2014 03:37
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of all the ways to die the first sounds pretty badass and quick the second sounds like you'd at least get a nice view before you died and you could always just vent all your O2 and fall asleep to death
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Oct 29, 2014 03:38
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Leperflesh posted:ah yes the free market maximizes its efficiency in never dumping toxic waste everywhere, killing people with contaminated food, failing to serve rural populations that are less profitable to serve, running free and fair elections without any bribery or scandal, maintaining prisoners in humane conditions even though it's obviously cheaper to just abuse and neglect them, definitely never massively over-exploiting limited resources (timber, mineral, animal, etc.) even though whoever overexploits them first gets the most profit, and of course, most importantly, we'd totally have a thriving orbital telecommunications network today even if no government ever spent money on space, because highly efficient free market forces are totally capable of raising tens of billions of dollars just to experiment with rockets and create a new industry from scratch even though profitability would not be possible for decades. do you think any of that has actually improved the human condition do you consider yourself a slave at your job? do you remember signing the paperwork for the conditions of employment? did slaves sign a contract?
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Oct 29, 2014 03:38
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TEAYCHES posted:do you think any of that has actually improved the human condition chattel slaves no (but sometimes) but yeah slaves signed contracts sometimes in history yo educate yourself what you advocate would bring us back to the gilded age which sucked thank you very much
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Oct 29, 2014 03:39
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people selling themselves into slavery is not unheard of in history
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Oct 29, 2014 03:39
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but but you see those guys werent really slaves like we think of them because...
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lol if you think most people work under a contract instead of at will under constantly changing and arbitrary employment handbooks.
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Oct 29, 2014 03:41
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Moridin920 posted:chattel slaves no (but sometimes) do you think the average worker's life was better before the gilded age or now
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Oct 29, 2014 03:42
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you can close the thread, Leperflesh already won
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Oct 29, 2014 03:42
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privatize nasa. shut that poo poo down. how many people have to die?
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Oct 29, 2014 03:43
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Elon Musk's dick must be rock hard right now. Like he's knocking poo poo over in his posh apartment with it.
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Oct 29, 2014 03:44
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TEAYCHES posted:do you think theres ever any hilarious confusion resulting in silly bureaucratic hijinx between the NSA and NASA nasa gets nsas funding, we make it to mars by 2018
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Oct 29, 2014 03:45
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what is the nsa's funding compared to nasa anyway
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Oct 29, 2014 03:48
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TEAYCHES posted:do you think any of that has actually improved the human condition Who the gently caress do you think enforces contracts? Because it's not the free market, you retard. Are you blissfully unaware that civilization began as an invention of government? Literally without government we are cavemen.
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Oct 29, 2014 03:49
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6qJh9upqW8
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Oct 29, 2014 03:51
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TEAYCHES posted:what is the nsa's funding compared to nasa anyway http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/07/news/economy/nsa-surveillance-cost/ Supposedly like $10B a year, but the exact number isn't published. Snowden leaked a detailed one though. NSA + CIA + "other agencies" is $52B
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Oct 29, 2014 03:51
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Leperflesh posted:Who the gently caress do you think enforces contracts? Because it's not the free market, you retard. im glad you brought that up because literally the only useful purpose of the government is to enforce contracts between private individuals and companies. i am not arguing for no government, you dumb gently caress also way to bring out the argument of appeal to tradition. what bothers you so much about the fact that pre-history peoples thrived without statism
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Oct 29, 2014 03:55
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TEAYCHES posted:im glad you brought that up because literally the only useful purpose of the government is to enforce contracts between private individuals and companies. i am not arguing for no government, you dumb gently caress yeah all they should do is enforce contracts and nothing else    quote:what bothers you so much about the fact that pre-history peoples thrived without statism lol
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Oct 29, 2014 04:00
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ALL WE NEED IS A GOVERNMENT TO STAY OUT OF OUR AFFAIRS AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE PAY UP AS PROMISED THIS CAN'T POSSIBLY GO THE SAME WAY IT DID 150 YEARS AGO
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Oct 29, 2014 04:04
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Moridin920 posted:ALL WE NEED IS A GOVERNMENT TO STAY OUT OF OUR AFFAIRS AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE PAY UP AS PROMISED you mean how the entire nation was cris-crossed with efficient rail travel and became the strongest industrialized nation on the entire planet
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Oct 29, 2014 04:07
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TEAYCHES posted:you mean how the entire nation was cris-crossed with efficient rail travel and became the strongest industrialized nation on the entire planet Our nation and infrastructure was built on the backs of slaves and Chinese and in direct opposition to the free market.
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Oct 29, 2014 04:12
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BgRdMchne posted:Our nation and infrastructure was built on the backs of slaves and Chinese and in direct opposition to the free market. how is that in "direct opposition" to the free market
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Oct 29, 2014 04:13
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TEAYCHES posted:also way to bring out the argument of appeal to tradition. what bothers you so much about the fact that pre-history peoples thrived without statism Yeah OK. For a while there I thought you were just regurgitating the same tired, extensively and meticulously debunked libertarian talking points. But now I know you're just trolling, because nobody could seriously think we'd be better off living as stone age hunter-gatherers than we are with an actual functional society.
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Oct 29, 2014 04:15
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TEAYCHES posted:how is that in "direct opposition" to the free market The Pinkertons committed wanton violence with the sole intent of keeping their employers from fulfilling their contracts.
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Oct 29, 2014 04:17
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BgRdMchne posted:Our nation and infrastructure was built on the backs of slaves and Chinese and in direct opposition to the free market. Came for the rocketchat, stayed for the DND. And yes, nation was and is built by the rich getting what they want off the livelihood of the poors.
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah OK. For a while there I thought you were just regurgitating the same tired, extensively and meticulously debunked libertarian talking points. But now I know you're just trolling, because nobody could seriously think we'd be better off living as stone age hunter-gatherers than we are with an actual functional society.
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Oct 29, 2014 04:19
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TEAYCHES posted:over half of the people in our actual functional society are on psychoactive drugs to keep them from flipping out. thats the reality of the pharmaceutical drugs industry. do you seriously think living under those conditions constitutes being better off? I'd rather be stoned than be you.
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Oct 29, 2014 04:20
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BgRdMchne posted:The Pinkertons committed wanton violence with the sole intent of keeping their employers from fulfilling their contracts. you mean with the intent of holding the employees to the contracts they had signed and agreed upon
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Oct 29, 2014 04:20
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hey look it's early 21st century china
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Oct 29, 2014 04:21
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TEAYCHES posted:over half of the people in our actual functional society are on psychoactive drugs to keep them from flipping out. thats the reality of the pharmaceutical drugs industry. do you seriously think living under those conditions constitutes being better off? I see you are posting on the Internet with your computer you constructed from rocks, in a cave. Pretty neat trick. ...or is it perhaps possible that somehow you have not cast off your clothes and medicines and farmed food and eveyrthing else produced by a society and run off to live free and naked in the woods somewhere? Why not? You're either a hypocrite or a coward, or you're just trolling and don't actually believe what you're saying.
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Oct 29, 2014 04:28
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Leperflesh posted:I see you are posting on the Internet with your computer you constructed from rocks, in a cave. Pretty neat trick. and yet you have refused to provide any context for the stupid teleology that youre inferring from the progression of society. do you honestly believe the fact that we have computers makes the human condition better in any real way. do you think "cavemen" didnt have engaging and real lives
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Oct 29, 2014 04:30
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remember all the cavemen who had to take a pill a day to not freak out just from the anxiety of day-to-day life
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Oct 29, 2014 04:32
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Sauer posted:Elon Musk's dick must be rock hard right now. Like he's knocking poo poo over in his posh apartment with it. Very likely, He pretty much called it a couple years ago. http://mashable.com/2014/10/28/elon-musk-orbital-sciences-rocket/ I'm not really sure why people are going on about capitalism and so forth, this obviously happened because the Russians, expecting to be betrayed by America a couple decades down the line sabotaged a few rocket engines so that they would fail spectacularly by around this time and sold them to some gullible American company, the real question we should be asking is why are we not buying American?
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TEAYCHES posted:remember all the cavemen who had to take a pill a day to not freak out just from the anxiety of day-to-day life they didn't have worry about big pharma while getting eaten by a saber tooth tiger.
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