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The Valuum posted:That's what you sign up for when you go to work at the county jail, you get to deal with drunks, hookers, and assholes. He was definitely playing for the other team in the books, it just wasn't explicit. I mean, rainbow guard, come on. Great thread by the way.
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AA is for Quitters posted:This is very dependent on state, and you're never going to have someone going through DT's in prison. You do so much time in county before you wind up getting transferred to prison you'll have long since gone through DTs by the time you get there. Even if you bail out, you report to county, county transfers you. And echoing "county sucks" especially if you're a chick. We also had the same minimal allotment of everything, including feminine hygene products. Combine that with the fact that we still wear zebra stripes in county here, and its a mess. There's a reason why the laundry in county here is almost entirely chicks working it. I hated it, and if I had to do county time instead of house arrest, I'd say "gently caress it, give me the full 4 yrs in state instead" There was this young black kid named "Booty Man", I thought that had to be the worst name to have in the joint. He wasn't gay, I guess he was supposed to get the girl's Booty's. When my Stalker cubie (the one I link to in the OP, super, super creeper) clogged the toilet (you know how hard it is to clog a state toilet? It's almost impossible) we gave him the name "Big lovely". Also guess who they called off the yard to clean that mess up? Me, the bathroom porter. Then I found out I wasn't even supposed to work that day. "The Honeybun Hitman" - Guy that was doing hits for ridiculously cheap prices. IIRC he did a hit for $7 but the guy he hit with the padlock ended up overcoming him and winning the fight. One of my other cubies got caught stealing 30 hot dogs so we called him "The Hotdogaler" (play on the hamburgerler). Dude with a mangled arm they called "Shark Bite". Dude with no legs "Legs". There was a dopeman named "Stank". My buddy's first and middle name were "James Richard" so "Jimmy Dicks" or "Jimmy the Dick". Mike Augustinus "HogsAPenis". Brian Deriemacker (pronounced Dairy Maker), "Der Bear", "Derry Fairy", "Deriemacker the boy virginity taker". Some nicknames for chomos "The Diaper Sniper", "Uncle Touchy", "The Jolly Rancher Bandit".
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The Valuum posted:"The Honeybun Hitman" - Guy that was doing hits for ridiculously cheap prices. IIRC he did a hit for $7 but the guy he hit with the padlock ended up overcoming him and winning the fight. That's scary. This dude was willing to end lives for that loving little? Christ.
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WickedHate posted:That's scary. This dude was willing to end lives for that loving little? Christ. Hey man, honeybuns are THE snack food. Even out of the joint.
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savinhill posted:Did you ever get the opportunity to see someone wear a home-made lingerie or dress from their mesh laundry bag? There was one dude that modified his state pants so they were skin tight, that was about it. WickedHate posted:That's scary. This dude was willing to end lives for that loving little? Christ. He wasn't killing people, he was just hitting people with locks. Good hits cost about $100 over western union, and that's to have a guy butchered so bad they're gonna ride him out to another prison. Also: Playground predator, monkey bar molester, and K-9 69-er.
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The Valuum posted:and K-9 69-er. is this also a weird slang for "pedo" or were there actually guys in prison for loving dogs
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d0s posted:is this also a weird slang for "pedo" or were there actually guys in prison for loving dogs K-9 Like kindergartener through 9th grade.
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The Valuum posted:K-9 Like kindergartener through 9th grade. Would someone in on a dog loving wrap be in the same class as the chomo population, better / worse status?
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IslamoNazi posted:Would someone in on a dog loving wrap be in the same class as the chomo population, better / worse status? There was a guy at another joint that got caught having sex with a dog, I'd imagine you'd be above a child molester. However you'd get made fun of non-stop unless you were a total badass.
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IslamoNazi posted:Would someone in on a dog loving wrap be in the same class as the chomo population, better / worse status? It depends what type of dog. Something like a Rottweiler, Mastiff or Doberman people respect that. Different story if it's a Poodle or lapdog
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The Valuum posted:There was this young black kid named "Booty Man", I thought that had to be the worst name to have in the joint. He wasn't gay, I guess he was supposed to get the girl's Booty's. When my Stalker cubie (the one I link to in the OP, super, super creeper) clogged the toilet (you know how hard it is to clog a state toilet? It's almost impossible) we gave him the name "Big lovely". Also guess who they called off the yard to clean that mess up? Me, the bathroom porter. Then I found out I wasn't even supposed to work that day. These are funny. Except for the chomo nicknames, they remind me of some nicknames I ran across in the army. Great thread OP. Learning a lot I didn't know. Not too surprised about the rape thing. I knew a guy who used to be a CO at a state prison and he told me that while it did happen, it was not nearly as much as they make it out to be in the movies/TV. Question: Say you've got a short bit to do, maybe 2-3 years and you don't want to get mixed up in anything. Could you ask to be put in ad-seg?
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The Valuum posted:Ha, I do plan on checking it out though. I have watched "Oz" all the way through and can tell you it's completely over blown, no prison is that hardcore. In addition from that what are some of the biggest inaccuracies you remember from the show? It was one of my favorite shows on HBO but I figured a lot of the stuff was inaccurate/exaggerated for dramatic effect. Have you ever watched MSNBC's Locked Up or Locked Up Abroad on Nat Geo? If so what are your opinions? Thanks for the thread btw, very interesting.
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Fooma posted:If you wanted to, could you opt to go into solitary confinement? I really, really, doubt that. MDOC tells you where you go, you don't get to make decisions like that. photomikey posted:What's time in "the hole" like and how long have you done? I've never been to the hole but some of my friend's have. It's probably exactly what you think it is. It's a small room with a toilet. I'm not sure if you get a mat or not. No TV, no books, limited mail. seacat posted:In addition from that what are some of the biggest inaccuracies you remember from the show? It was one of my favorite shows on HBO but I figured a lot of the stuff was inaccurate/exaggerated for dramatic effect. For one in "Oz" people were getting killed ever day. If someone gets killed the whole place goes on lockdown for a week plus. Also the actors and Oz were way too articulate to be prisoners. They also don't group people like that in regards to how much time they have. If you have <4 years you go to a level 1, 4-8 level 2, 8+ level 4. Although if you gently caress up at those lower levels enough they'll move you up a level. It's worth noting there is no level 3. Also in Oz they showed the inmates having basically no supervision in the kitchen/gym, when in reality there is supervision. Also pretty much anything in the last 2 seasons of Oz. It's funny you mention the show, my dad and I were just talking about our favorite HBO shows. I mentioned how I really loved Oz but it took some wacky turns towards the end. I've watched Locked Up and Locked Down. For one I think most of those people exaggerate heavily for the camera, but also those prisons they go to are the toughest of the toughest. Also nobody on those shows ever talks about dope, when that's a big part of prison gang poo poo. Thanks for all the kind words about enjoying the thread, appreciate it.
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I love Oz but the whole aging pill thing was absurd. Speaking of Oz, you ever make a shank?
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Super Aggro Crag posted:I love Oz but the whole aging pill thing was absurd. Speaking of Oz, you ever make a shank? I kept lookout while my friend ripped off a piece of fence, then again while he sharpened it on the concrete in front of the unit. Fence knives aren't that deadly though, they're just pokers. If you can rip a piece of metal off something in the library, school building, old typewriter, etc you can make some bad ones. Ones that have actual blades. A bunch of us white guys in A unit went in on a really good knife like the kind I just mentioned. We kept it above the light between the ballast and the ceiling in the porter closet. To my knowledge the police still haven't found it and it's been there almost 2 years. Honestly most of the people that knew about it are probably gone by now, people might not even know it's there.
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The Valuum posted:A bunch of us white guys in A unit went in on a really good knife like the kind I just mentioned. We kept it above the light between the ballast and the ceiling in the porter closet. To my knowledge the police still haven't found it and it's been there almost 2 years. Honestly most of the people that knew about it are probably gone by now, people might not even know it's there. I'll make my dick drawing book a puzzle/treasure hunt and if they can crack the code, they get the porter closet knife.
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Snowy posted:I'll make my dick drawing book a puzzle/treasure hunt and if they can crack the code, they get the porter closet knife. Heh, who do you think let me get in on the knife? Edit: He's in another unit now anyways. Edit2: Reported to the parole office today, what a crew of people in there...Waited 2 hours for my PO to see me for 3 minutes. Saw my old probation officer (who sent me to prison for dropping dirty) who said "So did you learn anything" to which I replied "I learned how to fight and to be inherently distrustful of other races". He just looked kinda pissed and walked away. My PO seems alright, although it's when you gently caress up that you see how cool they really are. He doesn't seem like one of the ones that goes out of his way to gently caress with people though. Going to a rural parole office is a great way to get that feeling of "Being the smartest guy in the room" or "being the only person without BBQ stains on your clothes in the room". There's this super, super trashy guy I see in there every time. He wears a Dale Earnhardt Jacket and is socially loving retarded. I was having a conversation with an older lady about a guy I was in county with, Rob W. Me: Yeah I know Rob W, we were real cool. Older Lady: Rob is the father of my grandaughter. Trashy guy who wasn't even in the conversation: Rob W's a bitch he's probably getting hosed in prison right now. then awkward silence. Who says that about a random persons relations? The Valuum fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Nov 7, 2014 |
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eshock posted:What sort of weight setup did you guys have? I've heard elsewhere that free weights and sometimes pullup bars are going away in prisons. We had 2 weight pits, at the end they made one a barbell weight pit and the other a dumbbell one. This was retarded as compared to the original set up of having a mixture in both. There wasn't nearly enough equipment for all the people though. There was a gym with a convergent bench, smith machine, and a small dumbbell set. The problem is you had to be on call out to go to the gym and weight pit. You had to be 6 months ticket free and put a kite in. If certain COs were working you could sneak into the weight pit. Some COs were total dicks about it. There'd be 2 people in the entire weight pit and they wouldn't let anyone else in (because they didn't have a call out). There were also 3 sets of pull up and dip bars.
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The Valuum posted:I've watched Locked Up and Locked Down. For one I think most of those people exaggerate heavily for the camera, but also those prisons they go to are the toughest of the toughest. Also nobody on those shows ever talks about dope, when that's a big part of prison gang poo poo. They did a few series at the prisons around here, and it seemed like quite a few of the inmates looked down to anyone talking to the camera and overall it was discouraged. Obviously high ranking gang members types aren't the kind that are going to run up to the camera and start blabbing, and the ones that do act like that tend to be young punks. I heard a few different stories of people acting like badasses on camera and then being dealt with later. This is all just second hand observation though. photomikey posted:How long do people go in "the hole"? What are they like when they get out? Is there really nothing to do but... stare at the walls? What kind of stuff gets you sent there? I think it depends on the state and even individual institution. You can be stuck there a drat long time, that is for sure. One of the legal loopholes guards used was to cycle inmates from one type of segregation to another. So say the policy states you can only be on something like ad-seg for x number of months, and disciplinary seg for x months. They would just switch reasons each few months until they felt like letting you out. But this is for places that have these kinds of limits. Supermax, like ADX Florence , are basically segregation until your sentence is up (usually life), but I think even they get tv behind protective glass. Prison and particularly jail segregation usually has no such benefits, but some guards or inmate janitors might slide you a book if you are lucky. Many jails here seem to be over crowded and low on seg space. So if you are unlucky enough to get seg time when the hole is full (or you are on suicide watch) you will get a room in a 'drunk tank' room that borders along the booking hallway. This hallway is usually always in chaos and there are no windows anywhere, so you never get to see daylight (as you are suppose to so many hours a day as determined by the state). The rules state someone in this position is suppose to be escorted to the rec yard by themselves each day for so many hours, but I can tell you I rarely saw this happen as the guards were allowed to skip it if they were understaffed, which actually was true. From what I saw of prison seg, it was the opposite, instead of being always lit up and chaos it was dark and very silent. There were windows to the outside, but they directly faced a brick wall. Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Nov 7, 2014 |
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Great thread - hope you're getting along well on the outside. So, speaking of HBO, I've been watching The Wire, and one of the characters is sent to prison. He's a big drug lord, and he gets a ton of preferential treatment from COs and other prisoners. Anyone in there get treated differently based on how high ranking or connected they were on the outside?
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photomikey posted:How long do people go in "the hole"? What are they like when they get out? Is there really nothing to do but... stare at the walls? What kind of stuff gets you sent there? Some things that will get you sent to the hole: Getting caught with drugs, stabbing an inmate, stabbing an officer, talking enough poo poo to staff, getting caught with knives, fighting. Yeah you just sit in there, I know people that did years in the hole for attacking staff. He said all he did was work out all day and that he came out a complete monster. Dr. Caligari mentioned space, which is a big factor too. Say you get caught with a knife. You could be sitting in there for weeks, but if a bunch of people get in a fight and they need to make room you could only be in there a day. The prison I was at only had 2 holes, and they were short term. If you were doing any sort of real time in the hole they sent you to another prison to do it. pat_b posted:Great thread - hope you're getting along well on the outside. So, speaking of HBO, I've been watching The Wire, and one of the characters is sent to prison. He's a big drug lord, and he gets a ton of preferential treatment from COs and other prisoners. Anyone in there get treated differently based on how high ranking or connected they were on the outside? Yeah I saw The Wire too and that stuff would never happen, maybe back in the 70s/80s/90s but the thing is, even if he bribed 98% of the COs there's always going to be one CO that's a real boy scout that would ruin it.
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First off - AWESOME thread. I've really enjoyed all your responses and appreciate the time you take to answer any questions. Question time - if you're in a fight (like you were when that guy stole your headphones), how beat up can you expect to get? Is there some sort of unwritten rule where prisoners who are defending something only get beaten up to x, or is up to the individual person who you're fighting to take it however far they want? Related to above - I'm assuming there'd more than likely at least a few onlookers (considering how many people there are, it's almost unavoidable), would they stop someone if they started really beating the poo poo out of someone if they didn't deserve it?
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Guni posted:First off - AWESOME thread. I've really enjoyed all your responses and appreciate the time you take to answer any questions. Yeah typically people don't take it too far. The whole point of setting up a fight is so you don't get caught/in trouble. So half-way killing a guy is counter-intuitive. People usually break it up once there's a clear winner, before it goes too far. Assaults on the other hand are different, they go for broke then.
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pat_b posted:Great thread - hope you're getting along well on the outside. So, speaking of HBO, I've been watching The Wire, and one of the characters is sent to prison. He's a big drug lord, and he gets a ton of preferential treatment from COs and other prisoners. Anyone in there get treated differently based on how high ranking or connected they were on the outside? In my county, we once housed a federal inmate who was charged (and later convicted) of orchestrating a multi-billiondollar fraud scheme. He was the biggest white collar inmate I ever met, and did get a bit better treatment than anyone else (as far as privileges). The feds gave him a laptop he could use in his own attorney-client room for as many hours a day as he liked. Supposedly the FBI had it programmed so he could only access certain things, which they monitored, but I liked to think he was playing WOW for 12 hours a day. He was never an rear end in a top hat to anyone, inmate or guard, and kept to himself, so everyone treated him well anyway. For a guy that had multi-million dollar homes and a yacht one week, and the next all he has is a lovely cell in a poor rear end county jail, he was always in good spirits. As far as inmates getting preferred treatment for there 'status', I never saw any Al Capone type poo poo. Frequent flyers and 'gang members' (we didn't have many) had the benefit of always knowing a lot of people, so they were able to settle in quickly. It really came down to how you acted and projected yourself, if you were respectable and projected confidence (but not cockiness), you were fine, even as a first timer. If you are an rear end in a top hat, even as a con, you are making a hard time for yourself. I probably should have prefaced in my first post that mostof my experiences were in jail and other transitional facilities. Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Nov 8, 2014 |
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The Valuum posted:He said all he did was work out all day and that he came out a complete monster. If it wasn't that i knew my buddy never did time in MI, i'd swear we know the same guy, cause my bestie did the same thing and used the same wording. Also Jail sucks. period. work release is slightly better (I got to spend 12 hours there today. Woo! Always remember to pay your tickets, particularly if you're on house arrest people), but prison is better than both. The funniest thing was there was a bus from the DOC that had come in while i was sitting waiting for the money to post to clear the warrants and the people getting off of it were just so...disappointed. Yeah, they liked that they were on work release, but not that they were in jail and not back in prison with the privs.
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AA is for Quitters posted:If it wasn't that i knew my buddy never did time in MI, i'd swear we know the same guy, cause my bestie did the same thing and used the same wording. Yeah I did 6 months on work release. In my county that poo poo was kind of lame. You could only work a maximum of 40 hours a week (so no time and a half) and you had to pay the jail $140 a week. It would have been smarter to be work site/trustee and get my sentence cut in half. Yeah as far as being incarcerated prison is a life of leisure.
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The Valuum posted:People took my attitude and figured I wasn't willing to fight. "Willingness to fight" is almost always more important than your actual fighting skill. I had never been in a true fight in my life before prison. The vast, vast majority of thefts are committed against people they think aren't willing to fight. It doesn't matter if the guy stealing is a ripped up 260lb black dude, they don't want to actually fight. For one it's pretty easy to get caught fighting and they don't want the ticket. They'll always choose a victim they think won't fight back. That's rather meaningful; thank you. "Being ready to fight back" and projecting oneself as such seems like a good way of going through life, even outside of prison. Even if in a regular community the fighting is done verbally. Another thing I was wondering about. I was visiting a former prison (which as such was scary hardcore) here in Eastern Europe and the guide was actually the former warden of the place for many years. Obviously he knew the place like the back of his hand and the tour was great. When asked about his tenure there, one of the things he emphasized was that it's okay for a CO to be strict, the inmates can respect that, but you can never ever be unfair in your treatment of people. Thoughts?
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I'm trying to get my head around the fact the jails and prisons will bill you for your time incarcerated. How is that justified? Clearly no one wants to be there. What happens if you are completely without means of income? Can you go back to jail for failing to pay for being in jail?
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Poldarn posted:I'm trying to get my head around the fact the jails and prisons will bill you for your time incarcerated. How is that justified? Clearly no one wants to be there. What happens if you are completely without means of income? Can you go back to jail for failing to pay for being in jail? I don't think tax money fully pays for county jail stays. You don't get charged the $20 in prison, just county. The thing is pretty much no one pays it though. The majority of people don't have the means to pay it and make little or no payments. The thing with restitution is if you never make a payment you're good, however if you start making payments and stop they can go after you. So obviously most people just never pay. The only possible benefit of paying them off is that they -might- let you off probation slightly early if they're paid.
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Anatharon posted:Do you consider most of the people you were in prison with bad people regardless of if you like them or not? Eh, for me it's more like "He's a dope fiend but he's cool". Most people in there are pretty scurvy, particularly in the thieving sense. I absolutely hate thieves. I hated prison thieves more than I hated child molesters. I can understand getting strung out and stealing (even though it's still lovely), but listening to dumb asses brag about how they stole a Dodge Charger and totaled it is in a different category. Also though some of those guys that were strung out on dope probably would have been a lovely person even if they were clean, so there's that too.
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