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the best thing is that they didn't really kill it. they took the cool ideas and stole them for everything, and his designs for that movie are still showing up in ridley scott movies today. lmao.
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good. i think its cool that david lynch made whats probably the best sci fi movie ever created and he completely loving hates and disowns it. david lynch owns, dune owns
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hemophilia posted:actually it is good and you can take your mission to slander its greatness, shove it up your rear end and jump off a bridge. I never thought I'd say this, but I am down with hemophilia! The super extended cut is my favorite. The Sci-Fi Channel never made their version. It was never here. poo poo there is no third stage Guild Navigator smilie.
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Oct 31, 2014 01:32
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ive never seen the sci fi channel version because it looks retarded and embarrassing
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TEAYCHES posted:ive never seen the sci fi channel version because it looks retarded and embarrassing It's probably for the best if you have good feelings towards the
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TEAYCHES posted:ive never seen the sci fi channel version because it looks retarded and embarrassing it is, everyone is eastern european and wears silly hats lynchdune owns though, only cool hats are worn
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Oct 31, 2014 01:40
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TEAYCHES posted:good. i think its cool that david lynch made whats probably the best sci fi movie ever created and he completely loving hates and disowns it. david lynch owns, dune owns Spoilers: he hates and disowns it because it is a bad movie for so many reasons
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Oct 31, 2014 01:43
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Anyone who thinks the movie does the novel justice either hasn't read the novel or is utterly retarded
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Oct 31, 2014 01:44
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black man 3 posted:Spoilers: he hates and disowns it because it is a bad movie for so many reasons its actually a great movie and owns
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Oct 31, 2014 01:44
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there would be no way to do the novel "justice" on the screen unless you had something like game of thrones. like maybe 10 hours would have been enough to go through the first book adequately. but for what it is, the movie completely owns
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TEAYCHES posted:there would be no way to do the novel "justice" on the screen unless you had something like game of thrones. like maybe 10 hours would have been enough to go through the first book adequately. but for what it is, the movie completely owns Who in their right mind would even attempt to do it in a miniseries? Nobody we should ever take seriously, specifically the Sci-Fi channel.
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Wait a sec, gotta think about the next post I make *camera does a close up of my face while I do a voice over whispering "wow is there any way I can explain to these morons how loving stupid they are"*
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Oct 31, 2014 01:51
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MadMattH posted:Who in their right mind would even attempt to do it in a miniseries? Nobody we should ever take seriously, specifically the Sci-Fi channel. i meant a well funded miniseries ran by competent people
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TEAYCHES posted:there would be no way to do the novel "justice" on the screen unless you had something like game of thrones. like maybe 10 hours would have been enough to go through the first book adequately. but for what it is, the movie completely owns But seriously the question you should be asking yourself is "is this actually a film that should've been made at all?"
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the best thing about the book is the message of warlike never fight fair muslims defeating a technologically advanced arrogant superpower has relevance today.
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black man 3 posted:But seriously the question you should be asking yourself is "is this actually a film that should've been made at all?" i enjoyed the film, i enjoyed the book, and im not utterly retarded go and consider that for awhile
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etalian posted:the best thing about the book is the message of warlike never fight fair muslims defeating a technologically advanced arrogant superpower has relevance today. If the book was representative of today then the fremen would be too busy murdering each other over whether Paul ate a pork gammon steak on the evening of conquest or whether it was actually a lobster thermidor
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black man 3 posted:But seriously the question you should be asking yourself is "is this actually a film that should've been made at all?" Probably not, but it was and the end product, while being incomprehensible to people not familiar with the book, still is pretty cool. The same can be said of lots of movies though. EDIT: That being said I do think that having David Lynch direct a movie like that is pretty awesome too.
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MadMattH posted:Probably not, but it was and the end product, while being incomprehensible to people not familiar with the book, still is pretty cool. Lots of movies which are complete crap yeah I agree
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Oct 31, 2014 01:59
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Dune is pretty good I guess but I wonder why Frank Herbert decided to plagiarize Warhammer 40k of all things, there are so many similarities!
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Oct 31, 2014 02:01
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the david lynch dune movie kicked rear end
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hemophilia posted:god: emperor of dune are pretty good. god emperor is loving awful messiah and children aren't bad
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Oct 31, 2014 02:09
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I love how that guy just deliberately twists the reality behind Lynch Dune to fit his inborn urge to blaspheme against it. The problems with Dune were where De Laurentiis poo poo the bed in post production. The producers panicked and turn 4+ hours of scenes and dialogue into a 1.5hr movie, and did some questionable things that hurt the movie in editing. In spite of all this, he was still writing a script for Dune Messiah in anticipation of another movie. His alienation from dune didn't come until De Laurentiis tried to do a big recut/re-release a few years ago that restored some cut scenes and made some star wars-quality changes here and there. He wasn't consulted for this, didn't like the end product, and understandably had his name struck from it. I'm not saying Dune is Lynch's favorite project, because it's not, but he's only 'disowned' one version, and his problems with it boil down to: Dino De Laurentiis and his daughter are poo poo-birds of the highest order, and probably the worst producers to ever make movies in hollywood. Dune 1984 is still good, and captures an incomplete, flawed, but still enjoyable version of Dune that's still better than Jodorowsky's ideas, and it's better than the miniseries. Frank Herbert liked it. I liked it. I still get people who have never read Dune to watch and enjoy it, so it's good enough for me. Also, the sci-fi miniseries was interesting when it first aired. If you watched it as it aired, it was interesting. It didn't hold up to repeat viewings and looked like rear end less than a year after it came out, but I would still rather have a sci-fi channel that at least tries to make sci-fi stuff instead of SyFy: The Asylum Channel. Not saying it's good because the miniseries is real bad.
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MadMattH posted:poo poo there is no third stage Guild Navigator smilie. how about 
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hemophilia posted:I love how that guy just deliberately twists the reality behind Lynch Dune to fit his inborn urge to blaspheme against it. i can agree w/ all this
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I'm sorry but lack of final cut isn't the only thing that destroyed that movie. From a terrible casting, to clearly lazy screenplay, and special effects that make star wars weep (remember this film was budgeted 4x more than a film made a decade earlier and was done worse) it just wasn't going to be good. In fact my opinion is the novel shouldn't have ever made it to the big screen because it just doesn't work. There's too much freaking subtlety with the character internalisation and the director clearly couldn't figure out a way to convey it on the big screen without outright stating things to the audience through thought monologue, instead of it being apparent from the behaviour of the characters. This is a sign of a movie that is best left as a novel.
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TEAYCHES posted:good. i think its cool that david lynch made whats probably the best sci fi movie ever created and he completely loving hates and disowns it. david lynch owns, dune owns David Fincher also hates Alien 3 and its great. Maybe it has something to do with Daves.
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hemophilia posted:I love how that guy just deliberately twists the reality behind Lynch Dune to fit his inborn urge to blaspheme against it. He is still a poo poo bird though. Only cause that sounds like some Tleilaxu poo poo.
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lynch dune has some sweet-as-hell sets and props and costumes as such that went on to influence how people picture and imagine the duniverse / dune world. it's good
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black man 3 posted:I'm sorry but lack of final cut isn't the only thing that destroyed that movie. From a terrible casting, to clearly lazy screenplay, and special effects that make star wars weep (remember this film was budgeted 4x more than a film made a decade earlier and was done worse) it just wasn't going to be good. In fact my opinion is the novel shouldn't have ever made it to the big screen because it just doesn't work. There's too much freaking subtlety with the character internalisation and the director clearly couldn't figure out a way to convey it on the big screen without outright stating things to the audience through thought monologue, instead of it being apparent from the behaviour of the characters. This is a sign of a movie that is best left as a novel. Casting? Name a better Baron. I dare you motherfucker.
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The baron came off, to me at least, as a psychopathic moron, rather than an evil genius. What more is there to be said.
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black man 3 posted:I'm sorry but lack of final cut isn't the only thing that destroyed that movie. From a terrible casting, to clearly lazy screenplay, and special effects that make star wars weep (remember this film was budgeted 4x more than a film made a decade earlier and was done worse) it just wasn't going to be good. In fact my opinion is the novel shouldn't have ever made it to the big screen because it just doesn't work. There's too much freaking subtlety with the character internalisation and the director clearly couldn't figure out a way to convey it on the big screen without outright stating things to the audience through thought monologue, instead of it being apparent from the behaviour of the characters. This is a sign of a movie that is best left as a novel. this is all mostly wrong. the casting was excellent, the screenplay was the best you can do condensing something like dune into a movie, and the special effects owned. comeon 1984 the shield effects when dueling were loving amazing. the worm was cool as hell and the battle at the end was great if a little corny
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kyle maclachlan was perfect as paul atreides imo
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TEAYCHES posted:there would be no way to do the novel "justice" on the screen unless you had something like game of thrones. like maybe 10 hours would have been enough to go through the first book adequately. but for what it is, the movie completely owns Dune is a lot of exposition and people standing around plotting/thinking. Oddly it would have been more faithfully done as some 4-hour BBC Shakespeare production for basically no money. Which is to say I agree with you, there was no way to make it as a conventional film and remain faithful to the source material.
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black man 3 posted:The baron came off, to me at least, as a psychopathic moron, rather than an evil genius. What more is there to be said. Considering that that's what was called for, not much. He was supposed to be pretty much criminally insane. That's why he wasn't the successful end product of the Bene Gesserit breeding program.
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black man 3 posted:I'm sorry but lack of final cut isn't the only thing that destroyed that movie. From a terrible casting, to clearly lazy screenplay, and special effects that make star wars weep (remember this film was budgeted 4x more than a film made a decade earlier and was done worse) it just wasn't going to be good. In fact my opinion is the novel shouldn't have ever made it to the big screen because it just doesn't work. There's too much freaking subtlety with the character internalisation and the director clearly couldn't figure out a way to convey it on the big screen without outright stating things to the audience through thought monologue, instead of it being apparent from the behaviour of the characters. This is a sign of a movie that is best left as a novel. I really liked the movie. That said, I doubt most Dune fans in here would say it was as good as the book, or a faithful recreation of the book. But Lynch did manage to capture a lot of the atmosphere and feeling of a lot of the characters from the book pretty drat well; sure as hell better than Scifi channel or better than Jodorowsky's LSD-addled imagination would have. Dune certainly is better as a book, but to be fair, Lynch did pretty drat good making a movie out of a novel that was basically unfilmable. e: TEAYCHES posted:comeon 1984 the shield effects when dueling were loving amazing. Also, yeah, to this day that shield fight between Paul and Gurney looks rad as hell
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TEAYCHES posted:the screenplay was the best you can do condensing something like dune into a movie
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The only things I really don't like about Lynch's Dune is the weirding modules and the rain at the end. I don't have good reasons for them except 'not canon' but those changes to the story didn't make anything better and unlike Baron Harkonen's change from Gay Pedophile Hedonist to The Evilest Dumb Motherfucker Ever, it was okay. and Feyd being turned into Sting for no reason was even fine. But the rain is somehow unacceptable and so are the weirding modules. You know this movie would have been better with The Weirding Way instead of Weirding Modules.
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the original movie started with an explainer, then went to kaitan, then to caladan, then to giedi prime, then back to caladan as they were leaving for arrakis... it just doesn't work. what you need to do is cut out a lot of the extraneous poo poo like the spacing guild and probably the bene gesserit, too. you don't need these to establish that spice is important, that prophecies exist, etc. the movie should *begin* with the atreides arriving on arrakis. show/don't tell and so forth. also cut some of the harkonnen supporting characters. yeah it wouldn't be faithful to the book but who cares.
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