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If you're looking cross-eyed at McCutchen's 6th place vote, please understand Dave Cameron is an idiot always and forever
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:06 |
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Paul Zuvella posted:This might be the first time in my entire life that there is no yankee receiving any mvp votes. First time since 92, so probably Also Dylan Hernandez @dylanohernandez Fourth-place votes for Kershaw came from San Francisco and Miami chapters of BBWAA.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:07 |
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Cano finished 6th, which is the highest a Mariner has placed since Ichiro won in 2001. That's pretty cool, I guess.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:07 |
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Vertical Lime posted:First time since 92, so probably drat, so close. Born in '91.
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Benne posted:Cano finished 6th, which is the highest a Mariner has placed since Ichiro won in 2001. That's pretty cool, I guess.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:23 |
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New Concept Hole posted:Add up the
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:32 |
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Harlock posted:If you're looking cross-eyed at McCutchen's 6th place vote, please understand Dave Cameron is an idiot always and forever He literally voted him down because he wasn't clutch. e: I don't think that Kershaw won because of injuries, but rather because the voters tremendously underrated Andrew McCutchen (the best offensive player in baseball) and thus concluded that there was no really outstanding candidate among NL hitters. Mornacale fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Nov 14, 2014 |
# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:32 |
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Vertical Lime posted:
One was from Andrew Baggarly, who is defending himself on twitter by saying that the 2nd consideration on the MVP ballot is "number of games played."
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:46 |
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Dee Gordon made the ballot but Paul Goldschmidt got left off.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 01:48 |
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Vertical Lime posted:Dylan Hernandez @dylanohernandez lol
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 02:06 |
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Abel Wingnut posted:...Morneau? It's a downballot MVP vote
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 02:08 |
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when do we find out who won the bud selig leadership award
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 02:11 |
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Mornacale posted:He literally voted him down because he wasn't clutch. But how can he be the best hitter when he doesn't lead the league in avg, RBI's, or dingers!? -sports writers
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 02:13 |
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I'm surprised Rizzo got up to 10th. He missed a lot of time due to injury.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 02:44 |
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Puig Destroyer's gonna have to re-record the first verse now.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 03:21 |
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Harlock posted:If you're looking cross-eyed at McCutchen's 6th place vote, please understand Dave Cameron is an idiot always and forever I guess he's abandoned fWAR since McCutchen was the best hitter by that stat and Jason Heyward was the 10th best (and got no votes).
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 07:14 |
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tadashi posted:I guess he's abandoned fWAR since McCutchen was the best hitter by that stat and Jason Heyward was the 10th best (and got no votes). If you read his explanations, basically he is focusing on how clutch hitters are, particularly relative to their overall batting line, so McCutchen got dramatically penalized because of how well he hit with the bases empty. Like, Cameron is constantly bringing up RE24 but he just so happens to obfuscate that McCutchen was 30% better than Posey or Rendon in that statistic. Similarly, he puts stock in Clutch, where McCutchen beat both Rendon and Stanton. You may also enjoy that he gives Stanton bonus points for being "an above-average defender in right field" because he had a 1.5 UZR/150 (after a -9.9 last season). Anyway, it is 2014 and Fangraphs says that "probably the best all-around player in the National League" simply was not clutch enough to be a top 5 MVP candidate, welcome to our brave new world.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 07:43 |
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I have no issues with pitchers winning the MVP (and Kershaw's numbers this season make him a well deserving candidate, compared to Verlander's win), but there should be an OPOTY of some sorts if you're going to have a Cy Young award for pitchers only. Call it the Barry Bonds award. Yeah, I know silver sluggers exist, but those are voted on my coaches / managers.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 19:40 |
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seiferguy posted:I have no issues with pitchers winning the MVP (and Kershaw's numbers this season make him a well deserving candidate, compared to Verlander's win), but there should be an OPOTY of some sorts if you're going to have a Cy Young award for pitchers only. Call it the Barry Bonds award. Yeah, I know silver sluggers exist, but those are voted on my coaches / managers. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3650519&pagenumber=14#post435895151
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 19:46 |
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The Hank Aaron award already exists. Stanton and Trout won it
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 19:46 |
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They have 8 million awards as is.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 19:58 |
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Barry Bonds should have won Cy Young in 2002 and 2004Harlock posted:The Hank Aaron award already exists. Stanton and Trout won it And no one cares because Hank Aaron only won one MVP award.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 19:59 |
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Until they actually start making a big deal out of the Hank Aaron award (and at this point I don't think it would even take) I don't mind limiting MVP to just every day players. Pitchers already have a big prestigious award, and there should be something comparable for position players.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 20:03 |
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quote:For the 1999 season, a winner was selected using an objective points system. Hits, home runs, and runs batted in (RBI) were given certain point values and the winner was the player who had the highest tabulated points total.[1][2]
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 20:11 |
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Supposedly this is the first time in the history of the MVP award that no Red Sox or Yankee has gotten a vote
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 20:22 |
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IcePhoenix posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3650519&pagenumber=14#post435895151 This is exactly why I called it that. And "reach pick" Manny Machado will get it every year.
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 22:15 |
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seiferguy posted:This is exactly why I called it that. And "reach pick" Manny Machado will get it every year. Manny Machado was the Ned Yost of that league
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# ? Nov 14, 2014 22:20 |
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Mornacale posted:McCutchen got dramatically penalized because of how well he hit with the bases empty.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 19:10 |
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Rickey had an absolutely insane 1990 season compared to the 1990 field or 2014 Cutch.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 11:45 |
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If there's one thing I can say for sure it's that the BBWAA is hardly consistent in its voting, especially when you cross eras.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 14:57 |
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This isn't really a BBWAA issue, it's a "Dave Cameron looking for clicks and trying to push a new Fangraphs stat" issue.
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# ? Nov 19, 2014 03:30 |
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Double-post for different and very important topic: Josh Harrison won the Heart & Hustle Award.
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