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Kavak posted:I don't like the Syndie Mexican flag anyway- doesn't Mexico take its flag really seriously compared to America where we plaster it on everything? Yeah, Mexico takes its flag regulations very seriously in regards to media depictions. For example, South Park was unable to air the episode "Pinewood Derby" in Mexico because they did not have a permit to use the flag featured in the episode. The US takes it more seriously in regards to the physical copies of the flag, which seem to function at times as a modern Roman aquila in regards to how important they can be. As for the Syndie Mexican flag, I actually ended up changing it from the default flag, to one that more closely resembled Zapata's banner while he was leading the Liberation Army of the South:  A variant was also used during the Cristero War. I also ended up changing the flags for half of the Syndicalist nations, since many of them made no sense (I'm looking at you, France and Britian).
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Chief Savage Man posted:
 Presidente de los Estados Unidos MexicanosGreat LP though, keep up the good work, interesting to see what happens now that the obvious things to do are done.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:
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Thirteen years of Spanish.
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Chapter Six: Peace Yet No Quiet (January 1938-January 1939) This update and the following are synchronous. Launching program GlobalClassroom, please wait.... Command line parameters: -skipintro -autologin.... Welcome Joseph Connor! You have two unread messages. Message 1: From: smeehan@ucla.edu Subject: Re: Late Assignment Body: Thanks for letting me know why your paper on Mexico was late but for future reference you don't really need to provide any kind of documentation if you need some extra time on an assignment because of family matters. I've got a family too, I understand. If you need some extra time to study for the next test, I will be more than willing to give that to you. Hope everything is alright. Message 2: From: kwilkins@seversky.synd Subject: hockey? Body: Scored some tickets for the Quebec vs Sweden exhibition in Brooklyn next weekend. I know you've been wanting to take Sean to see Brodeur one last time before he's done. Let me know if you're interested. You have one class in progress. You are two minutes late! HIST 215 - Building Syndicalism in North America - English #4 - Instructor: Sean Meehan - University of California - Los Angeles, CSA Roster: Calderon, Enrique - National Park Service - San Antonio, CSA - CONNECTED Connor, Joseph - Jersey Electric & Telecommunications Syndicate - Fair Haven, CSA - NOT CONNECTED De Pasquale, Theresa - Brooklyn Navy Yard - New York City, CSA - CONNECTED Johansen, William - Iowa Growers Syndicate - Sioux City, CSA - ABSENT LeGrand, Phillip - United Oilmen and Steel Workers - New Orleans, CSA - CONNECTED Murphy, John - Laurentian Forestry Centre - Quebec City, QUE - CONNECTED Wilkins, Kareem - Seversky Aviation Works - Farmingdale, CSA - CONNECTED Connecting... Connected! plegrand: What sticks out most to me is that the public view of the war in Mexico was positive for different reasons in different regions. smeehan: Yes, a deliberate tactic and a good example of media control by the Committee. The rhetoric in the syndicalist heartland was certainly more revolutionary while it was more nationalist in the south. It would have never held up in the age of the internet.  smeehan: However manipulative it might have been, the war did enhance Reed's reputation across America. When we consider that boost of support in combination with Reed's sickness, then we begin to see why Reed began to accelerate his program in 1938.  smeehan: Reed was, if nothing else, very aware of the political machinations underneath him in the Chamber and Committee. He had witnessed and studied the successes of the French and British revolutions as well as the failure of the Russian. He was not blind to the role that his immense popularity played in public support for his regime. The last thing he wanted to have happen was to die before he had faith in the durability of the institutions of the Combined Syndicates. Who remembers from the reading who proposed the Banking Decrees of 1938? ecalderon: schachtman jmurphy: Max Schachtman. smeehan: Right. Max Schachtman had been among the names mentioned for what ended up being Paul Mattick's position and he still held a great deal of sway within the Chamber. Reed put his full weight behind his nationalization program, both to please Schachtman's faction and to cripple what many regarded as an offensive capitalist remnant.  kwilkins: wait so they just straight up took everything in the banks? smeehan: No, not quite. The Banking Decrees did not actually seize bank accounts. With the largest banks under the control of the Committee and the regional banks under control of local syndicate councils, the money that was left could only really be loaned out to fund projects approved by the syndicates. wjohansen: Why didn't they just take their money out then? smeehan: Many did during the civil war, and lots of American fortunes ended up in Canadian or German banks. After it became clear that the Combined Syndicates was going to win, the value of the dollar versus the mark plummeted and anybody who hadn't already taken their money out was more or less unable to. The Pacific States and New England did continue to use US Dollars for a time but even in those cases but moving money from CSA-administrated territories to those areas was also made illegal by the Decrees, and many fortunes were seized on their way out. There was not much to do with the money except to play by the rules of the syndicates, and in this way, private fortunes were gradually pushed out of the economy in favor of the communal ownership model we see today.  smeehan: This did a lot to appease those who were not fully onboard with the revolutionary program of the Combined Syndicates. The Chamber did also take steps to legitimize the unofficial seizures of private property by the ad hoc revolutionary councils that sprung up in the earliest days of the civil war. Anything that had been transferred from private to public ownership was to remain public.  smeehan: Combined with the successes in Mexico, the approach paid dividends in terms of public support. The banks were a perfect villain due to their role in the Depression and the nationalization gave the syndicates a lot of control over the direction of the economy.  jconnor: What did they do with the money they seized? smeehan: For a start, the Chamber followed up the Banking Decrees with the foundation and funding of the Council of Science Workers, which of course still exists and remains highly influential to this day. Many American scientists had fled the country during the civil war, many to New England and Canada, but also some to syndicalist nations like France and Britain. The Council was designed to entice them to come back with promises of funding and international cooperation with leading French and British scientists, which were mostly kept.  smeehan: There was a particular focus on agricultural and aeronautic research and a number of scientists took advantage of the offer when it became clear that there were not enough jobs in the places they had fled to.   smeehan: The other half of the transition involved the military. George Marshall was appointed Supreme Commander of the Syndicate Guards in the aftermath of the civil war and, as we saw, was heavily involved in the war with Mexico. There was a delicate balancing act involved. On one hand, the Army had more or less couped President Hoover. On the other hand, if the unions and syndicates had their own armed forces acting in concert, like the state militias of decades past, then there would be a potential for the nation to be torn apart again, if for instance, a Totalist faction were to battle the unions. Marshall and Reed sought to establish a military that acted as a unifying force, and also to tie it into the fabric of the new society.  smeehan: This is when the Syndicate Guards was officially renamed as the American Red Army, even though both names were used interchangeably throughout the period. Marshall embarked on a program of professionalizing the militias and modernizing the army. The Detroit syndicates were put to work producing trucks for new motorized divisions and the former Marine Corps was reconstituted as the Revolutionary Marines and greatly expanded. The structure of the military meant that divisions from the civil war kept their official histories such as being from whichever syndicate and city they were raised from, but reinforcements and replacements were sent on a random basis, so that Americans from different regions served alongside one another.   smeehan: That covers a lot of what happened in the Combined Syndicates but this class is about North America so lets take a second to talk about Mexico. Mexico had been a founding member of the Internationale, even if it had been gunshy in terms of acceding to the military aspects. With the restoration of socialist government, the French accepted Mexico into their Phalanstere Internationale project, along with states like Bolivia, the Bhartiya Commune, the Transcaucasian Republic and Centroamerica.   smeehan: The American public was tied into foreign affairs in a way that they had never been in the past. The revolution was going to live or die based on the global power struggle between the Internationale and the capitalist establishment, and thus events like the failure of the syndicalists in the Brazilian Civil War were felt in North America.  smeehan: Perhaps even more important was the return of American volunteers from Russia, where the Soviets had failed for a second time to overthrow the Whites. Even though the syndicalist world was disappointed not to have another syndicalist great power to threaten Mitteleuropa, many were secretly relieved to see Totalists discredited.  smeehan: And what really galvanized the American public was the attempt on the life of Norman Thomas in 1938. Thomas was a hugely popular figure throughout the nation, mostly due to his ardent and successful defense of religious freedom. The gunman was found to have snuck across Long Island Sound from Connecticut in order to make the attempt while Thomas was touring an airplane plant there. kwilkins: Seversky represent! jmurphy: Wait did that happen where you work? kwilkins: Oh yeah, the bullet holes are still there.  smeehan: The details of how the Entente was involved in the attempt scandalized the public and triggered calls for war. When combined with the rapid and public militarization of the Pacific States, a growing majority of the public was fully behind the Combined Syndicates and the Internationale by the time 1939 came around. Alright, that's all we have time for, I will send all of you four supplemental readings about the world at large. Please read and understand them and message me if you have questions. Have a good night. *session ended*
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Good update, will be fun to see how this will go.Chief Savage Man posted:
I don't see why, I'm sure those soviet chaps would have been perfectly alright and not tyrannical whatsoever.
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The Romanovs were inbred shitheaps, but any result that sees Lenin and Stalin going to the wall is a brighter world than the one that we live in.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The Romanovs were inbred shitheaps, but any result that sees Lenin and Stalin going to the wall is a brighter world than the one that we live in. Lenin has been dead a long while and Mr. Jugashvili is currently in the service of the Transcaucasian Socialist Republic.
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Chief Savage Man posted:Lenin has been dead a long while and Mr. Jugashvili is currently in the service of the Transcaucasian Socialist Republic. Well, maybe they bagged Trotsky.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Well, maybe they bagged Trotsky. Who knows, at this point they might as well have been under the command of the dad of the main character from The Hundred-Year-Old Man Who Climbed Out the Window and Disappeared. Kaiserreich players know. I don't.
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I think the lore is that Trotsky is a miserable failure in exile in Paris or he might be dead. Either way Bukharin is the guy this time.
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Chief Savage Man posted:I think the lore is that Trotsky is a miserable failure in exile in Paris or he might be dead. Either way Bukharin is the guy this time. Well, at least in this timeline he wasn't murdered by his "friends".
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Zeroisanumber posted:Well, at least in this timeline he wasn't murdered by his "friends". Honestly, it sounds like Trotsky got a better deal in this timeline.
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Well yeah it's pretty easy to beat "Assassinated in Mexico City, with most of your family in the USSR to be executed shortly after."
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Chief Savage Man posted:I think the lore is that Trotsky is a miserable failure in exile in Paris or he might be dead. Either way Bukharin is the guy this time. He would almost certainly be dead, considering the number of exiles that appear as military leaders in other Syndicalist states. Hell, Nestor Makhno even shows up as a general in the Commune of France!
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Our official position on Trotsky is that we don't have one. He disappeared in the chaos of the Russian Civil War, and if he is alive is hiding very deep in a hole somewhere remote. Capitalists want his head for the nice fat bounty the Whites have posted on him, and socialists want his head for loving up the revolution and possibly a different bounty. I'm content with him becoming one of "history's mysteries" in the Kaiserreich universe. 
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http://editthis.info/kaiserreich/Lev_Davidovich_Trotsky#Life_in_exile Well here you go. In my head canon, I'm gonna place him as a vigilante doing battle with the Not-Nazis that run Mittelafrika.
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Kavak posted:Our official position on Trotsky is that we don't have one. He disappeared in the chaos of the Russian Civil War, and if he is alive is hiding very deep in a hole somewhere remote. Capitalists want his head for the nice fat bounty the Whites have posted on him, and socialists want his head for loving up the revolution and possibly a different bounty. I'm content with him becoming one of "history's mysteries" in the Kaiserreich universe. what happened to lenin? for that matter, where is Rosa Luxemburg at? i have never seen her in any "germany-goes-syndie" runs
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V. Illych L. posted:what happened to lenin? Rosa's chillin' in Poland. I had her running the country in a Totalist Poland game.
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V. Illych L. posted:what happened to lenin? Lenin got shot a little after Brest-Litovsk, destabilizing the Reds enough for the Whites to gain the upper hand. Rosa Luxemburg is supposed to be living in exile in Britain and is one of the HoGs for the German Union. The problem is that she'd be almost 70 by the time she could go back to Germany, kind of old for running a government. She'd probably stick to less strenuous activism. Also, don't take the wiki as gospel. We shift backstories and people around a lot, and we don't like setting things in stone too much. The only canon is what's in the game files for the current release. EDIT: ^^^ Or that. With how the war went for Germany she may never had had a chance to become infamous enough to be a target.
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What about Emma Goldman? I know Alexander Berkman is mentioned as dying, but his partner Emma was, if anything, an even more influential anarchist figure than he was, and I don't recall seeing her anywhere. In real life she was an ambassador for CNT-FAI during the Spanish Revolution.
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Unaccounted for. This is what happens when not a single American works on your mod for years, if ever.  At least Smedley Butler is replacing Marshall next version.
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Kavak posted:Unaccounted for. This is what happens when not a single American works on your mod for years, if ever. Emma Goldman's not in the mod? This is a travesty! 
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Well whoever decided to throw in the minor event about Ronald Reagan is okay in my book.
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Chief Savage Man posted:Well whoever decided to throw in the minor event about Ronald Reagan is okay in my book. I don't know what specifically prompted them to kill him off, but I'm sure it was a good reason.
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Kavak posted:I don't know what specifically prompted them to kill him off, but I'm sure it was a good reason. The story I heard was that a leftist dev early in the mods life threw it in because gently caress Reagan.
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Kavak posted:Unaccounted for. This is what happens when not a single American works on your mod for years, if ever. This explains so much about the naming scheme of the American Civil War factions.
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Kavak posted:Unaccounted for. This is what happens when not a single American works on your mod for years, if ever. It's cool that Butler is finally going to be included, but what's going to happen to Marshall? Back to the USA?
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Radical Socialist George Marshall will live on in the pages of this LP.
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VostokProgram posted:It's cool that Butler is finally going to be included, but what's going to happen to Marshall? Back to the USA? Presumably. Chief gave a pretty good rationale for him here. GunnerJ posted:This explains so much about the naming scheme of the American Civil War factions. That's an issue of the game code, actually. Countries in Darkest Hour are identified by three letter tags, and you can't make more- the Combined Syndicates are, naturally, CSA, while the AUS gets the TEX tag, and the PSA gets CAL. Why we didn't change the name when we did with everything else, who the hell knows, but we're stuck with it.
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poo poo, is there any way I can contribute to this mod? It sounds like it needs an American touch, and I'm an anarcho-syndicalist, a labor historian, and an actual honest-to-God officer in the IWW, so I may be able to help out a little, help the American events make a bit more sense. The fact that there's no Emma Goldman in this mod is genuinely loving hilarious, she's one of the most influential anarchist figures of the 20th century. It would be almost like having a Russian Civil War game that doesn't mention Lenin anywhere. Big Bill Haywood doesn't appear to be in the game either, despite being a major figure in the American radical labor movement until he was arrested, sent to prison, escaped, and fled to Russia to fight for the Bolsheviks. In real life he was an economic advisor in the early days of the USSR, and one of the founders of an 'Autonomous Industrial Colony', an experiment in syndicalist workplace democracy that was supposed to serve as a model for the rest of the Union and ended up being forcibly shut down by Stalin in 1926. He turned to alcoholism after the Colony was purged and had drank himself to death by 1928, and was buried in the Kremlin as a hero of the revolution. In KR-world, he just...doesn't exist, despite being one of the more important labor figures of the early 20th century in the US and an outspoken syndicalist (and also an acquaintance of Jack Reed). e: There's a Haywood in the mod, but it's Harry Haywood, no relation (although he was a legit badass in his own right). Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Mister Bates posted:poo poo, is there any way I can contribute to this mod? It sounds like it needs an American touch, and I'm an anarcho-syndicalist, a labor historian, and an actual honest-to-God officer in the IWW, so I may be able to help out a little, help the American events make a bit more sense. The fact that there's no Emma Goldman in this mod is genuinely loving hilarious, she's one of the most influential anarchist figures of the 20th century. It would be almost like having a Russian Civil War game that doesn't mention Lenin anywhere. The forum is here- leftists are plenty welcome, and I could definitely use another American to work on things. I honestly thought Goldman had died before 1936, or I would've brought her up to the rest of the team. Big Bill died before the game started- there's something about his death being the starting point for the Combined Syndicates to get officially organized, but the specifics don't matter. He'd definitely have worked to strengthen American socialism and be an honored figure for the CSA alongside Reed and Berkman.
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Kavak posted:At least Smedley Butler is replacing Marshall next version. This is wonderful and I totally support it. And yeah, the Kaiserreich team definitely needs native English speakers. I know there's a tremendous amount of events, but some of the localizations are just downright illegible. Kavak posted:The forum is here- leftists are plenty welcome, and I could definitely use another American to work on things. I honestly thought Goldman had died before 1936, or I would've brought her up to the rest of the team. I'm down too. Registered as Drone, awaiting administrator approval. Drone fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Feb 20, 2015 |
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Zeroisanumber posted:The Romanovs were inbred shitheaps, but any result that sees Lenin and Stalin going to the wall is a brighter world than the one that we live in. Beware the hand of alternate history! Someone somewhere is playing Darkest Nacht, a reimagining of their own timeline where the vanguard did get shot, Russia didn't industrialise, the whites won and Barbarossa went very very well. There's a message board there discussing whether "Stalinism" could really have so callously sacrificed so many lives on the altar of egotism and idiocy and why it's ridiculous that they could possibly have turned into an unstoppable military juggernaut... The Internationale immediately becoming super warlike is one of the weird little quirks of this mod. The mood post WW1 in the UK was remarkably pacifistic, and I think it's more realistic for the British revolution to be headed by the socialists and anarchists of the time - who had just been released from prison where they had been held as pacifists. Militant socialism simply doesn't fit the prevailing mood of the movement 1916-1918, which was run and orchestrated by pacifists and pacificists. Even your "the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot" Mcleans of the world were sick and tired of violence. It took one hell of a shock to foster a prowar violence in British socialism.
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lenoon posted:The Internationale immediately becoming super warlike is one of the weird little quirks of this mod. The mood post WW1 in the UK was remarkably pacifistic, and I think it's more realistic for the British revolution to be headed by the socialists and anarchists of the time - who had just been released from prison where they had been held as pacifists. Militant socialism simply doesn't fit the prevailing mood of the movement 1916-1918, which was run and orchestrated by pacifists and pacificists. Even your "the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot" Mcleans of the world were sick and tired of violence. It took one hell of a shock to foster a prowar violence in British socialism. I always thought this was accounted for (slightly) in the mod? Britain doesn't join the Internationale alliance until after France ends up at war with Germany at some point. The Commune of France is always revanchist, but Britain tends more toward being "Radical Socialist." Then again it's a wargame about war, pacifism is boring in that context.
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France, for all it's pretensions of being at the center of international syndicalism, has a lot of nationalist baggage to shake off in Kaiserreich, and most Totalists are fascists dipped in red paint. Britain moves into International as it becomes clearer that the Germans and the Entente will not let them live in peace. But yeah, I'd definitely be pushing for a "Peace, Love, and Understanding" path if this was Victoria 2 or whatever.
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I think it would at least make for some interesting events and flavour - by 1919 you've got nearly 20,000 men, organised, centralised an in this timeline proved right, communists, anarchists, socialists and liberals together, for the first and only time in British (possibly world) political history happily organised under a single banner organisation. They run in a block in Ramsay Mac's parliament and by the time of Clement Attlee they are stuffing the commons, cabinet and lords with pacifists and ex-pacifists. Might just translate to a pip towards isolationism, but a socialist government headed by Alfred Salter, Fenner Brockway, Clifford Allen,Joan Beauchamp, and Sylvia motherfucking Pankhurst? Man, that's a dream worth having if only in a mod.
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While on the topic of missing important Americans, its kinda curious that there is no mention of Walter W. Waters, leader and organizer of the bonus army. At the very least he should get a ministry slot somewhere I think.
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Would the bonus army even exist if American never got involved in WWI? Was Waters a draftee/enlistee or career man?
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