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paragon1 posted:And also shoot them. And their families.
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Ah, cool. And it makes for better gameplay too; less of a steamroll with you now controlling 2/3rds of the country.
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Part Five: October-December 1938 Between the dissent and repeated defeats, we are at a point where we can basically have our way with the enemy. We can leave areas undefended because it would be easy for us to throw them out of any province they occupy.  This is also why I'm sending an army to the south to take care of the victory points down there, as well as the Madras Republic. We are not currently at war with the Republic but they are a puppet of the Federation and of course, I plan on absorbing them as well.  The capital is the last province I need to cut off all the northern divisions and there's no reason to delay the attack any further.  The enemy is in bad shape. Notice the massive 26 point dissent penalty, which almost negates their whole dug in bonus. Also notice the strength levels of these divisions. We would have a three to one advantage either way but factoring in understrength the enemy divisions are, we actually have an even greater advantage.  This patch of DH introduces reports for when enemy divisions are destroyed, and we can see here that we've wiped out at least one. It seems like units are more likely to surrender and be destroyed when they are in a bad situation like this, rather than having to chase broken units all over the place.  Rather than wait for the enemy to move divisions into the capital and extend the battle, it makes more sense to pin down the enemy reinforcements in Nizamabad while we deal with the capital.  Our job has been made easier by a partisan revolt in Madurai. Madurai is the southernmost victory point province for the Federation. In order to annex them, we must control their capital and they must have no victory point provinces remaining. It does not matter if we control them or not.  Some of the enemy divisions are garrisons and so when they are defeated, they are instantly destroyed.  Also destroyed is the Federation's tiny air force in Hyderabad. Any air unit is destroyed when the airbase its stationed out is captured, which is why its important to keep air units in safe provinces and especially not to leave them unguarded in provinces with revolt risk. It's no fun losing an 8 stack of bombers to a partisan uprising.  With Hyderabad in our grasp, Bombay seized by Delhi, and Madurai under the control of partisans, we are finally able to end the war and annex the Federation.  This gives us access to a new decision that will trigger a war with Delhi. There is no reason to start that war right now, we have time to recuperate and expand our army further before that happens.  The partisans are still running wild at the southern tip of India, so we have to go down there and handle that.  The partisans give up immediately when we arrive. This is a weakness of Darkest Hour in my opinion. Given the storyline of India, its likely that these rebels rose because we provided covert support to them, so its silly to have to fight them ourselves. Sometimes in the vanilla game, you'll see an uprising of civilians in a Nazi-occupied country that gets bombed by Allied aircraft. I'd like to see a more fleshed out partisan mechanic in HoI4. HoI3 might have addressed this though, I honestly can't remember.  While we're down here, we may as well wipe out the Madras Republic as well.  I probably should have waited until Madurai was under control, as the Madras troops moved into that territory before I did, which has extended this operation needlessly.  Ultimately it doesn't matter much, because they can only hope to delay my victory.  Soon enough, we have both Madras and Madurai under control.  Thus ends the Madras Republic.  We of course will be keeping these valuable territories to ourselves. India is one of the regions in the game that does not give revolt risk to those without cores (at least not until dissent is high or an event specifically raises it) so these events add some dissent in order to provide somewhat of a penalty for our hostile takeover.
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I'm sure the Tamils won't mind too much. They're not a group known for holding grudges.
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Mister Bates posted:In that alternate scenario, ~2.5 million in 1924, over 3 million in 1936. Take that, CNT! I know this is from a bit back but I'm not half as familiar with American labour history as I am with British and that number seems .... Very very small. I can't give you te figures for British trade union membership off the top of my head but I know their ww1 history very well - 3.5 million votes against conscription in 1915. That's the combined vote of the TUC and Triple Alliance, the other unions also held huge referendums on the subject (with some overlap in membership). I'd have to check inthe office but I think 1913-14 union membership clocked in to the 7-8million mark. Surprised that the combined union members in the US were comparatively much smaller!
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The number fell in the 1920s and rose sharply during the war to about 13 million, after which it peaked (in terms of percentage) then began its long decline.
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Chief Savage Man, what you're seeing there was the destruction of a garrison division (the name gives it away). Because they can't move, they instantly surrender upon defeat rather than starting a retreat. In other news, the Deutsches Kaiserreich finished its war with the perfidious syndicalists in the UK in 1943 in my campaign. Birmingham became sort of a reverse Stalingrad, where 220k troops were defeated in exchange for only 3470 of my own. Aww yeah. E: My invasion of the UoB, which involved forty armoured and motorized divisions supported by two HQs landing in Scotland after an audacious fallschirmjäger attack on Aberdeen from Norway, went vastly more smoothly than my battle against the CoF, which played like an endless winter war version of August 1914. Not terribly pleased about how that one went; I ended up fertilizing Picardie with hundreds of thousands of dead Ukrainians, Belarusians and Poles. The five dumbest things in my campaign: 1) The Port of Singapore apparently doesn't connect to the ocean. I was unable to move my ships out of it. 2) I sent six full-strength brigaded divisions to a watery grave when their transports were intercepted, unexpectedly, by the Americans... 3) ...who, dismembered after their brutal civil war and still reeling from the loss of California, decided to declare war on me and my unchecked global empire, basking in the glory of its triumph over France and backed up by a resurgent tsarist Russia, over (of all the dumb things) Firestone's assets in Liberia. They didn't even ask me about it first! 4) I offered NatFrance their whole country back, and they said no. Ingrates. Didn't even get the option for Canada and the UK, but I'd sure have offered so I could restore their legitimate monarch to the throne. 5) Nobody has updated a few critical values for newer changes in DH. Most glaringly, this has led to escort fighters *lowering* the defence scores of bombers by increasing their air vulnerability. I fixed that by swapping in the esc-f brigade file from DH full. The research speed hasn't been lowered to account for seven tech teams, either, so I'm running very aggressively on the tech curve. David Corbett fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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The second one in Mysore I knew was a garrison but the first one in Hyderabad I wasn't sure because of all the different types of equipment included. I honestly don't know what types of equipment are included in a garrison but I'm pretty sure I've had enemy divisions dissolve on me more often in this patch than before, or maybe the division destroyed report just means I notice it more.
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lenoon posted:I know this is from a bit back but I'm not half as familiar with American labour history as I am with British and that number seems .... Very very small. I can't give you te figures for British trade union membership off the top of my head but I know their ww1 history very well - 3.5 million votes against conscription in 1915. That's the combined vote of the TUC and Triple Alliance, the other unions also held huge referendums on the subject (with some overlap in membership). I'd have to check inthe office but I think 1913-14 union membership clocked in to the 7-8million mark. Surprised that the combined union members in the US were comparatively much smaller! The number was probably higher in reality, but bear in mind that a lot of unions in the US at the time were considered subversive organizations and were thus illegal, so they weren't exactly reporting accurate numbers to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This was also a period of heavy suppression of labor organization, so even the legal unions tended to primarily attract the very radical or the very desperate. Here in Oklahoma, there are editorials from major papers during that time period in which they openly call for all trade unionists to be shot and hung from telephone poles, and there's a Mexican restaurant where the Tulsa IWW hall used to be because the police burned the hall to the ground in the early 20s. The military dropped bombs and lethal poison gas on striking miners as late as 1921. Union membership was so comparatively low because, in much of the country, you were literally risking your life if you signed up for a union card.
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Mister Bates posted:The number was probably higher in reality, but bear in mind that a lot of unions in the US at the time were considered subversive organizations and were thus illegal, so they weren't exactly reporting accurate numbers to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This was also a period of heavy suppression of labor organization, so even the legal unions tended to primarily attract the very radical or the very desperate. Here in Oklahoma, there are editorials from major papers during that time period in which they openly call for all trade unionists to be shot and hung from telephone poles, and there's a Mexican restaurant where the Tulsa IWW hall used to be because the police burned the hall to the ground in the early 20s. The military dropped bombs and lethal poison gas on striking miners as late as 1921. Union membership was so comparatively low because, in much of the country, you were literally risking your life if you signed up for a union card. Know any good books which go into detail on this?
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team overhead smash posted:Know any good books which go into detail on this? "We Shall Be All" is a real good history of the IWW.
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Yeah, my granddad organized lumberjack and machinist unions in Wisconsin back in the 30's and 40's and he had to run for his life on more than one occasion. Suffice it to say that I hate Governor Walker like poison.
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Part Six: January-September 1939 With the Federation defeated, we now have a sizable IC advantage over Delhi. Time is on our side and its worth waiting for the right moment to strike Delhi. After an uneventful first half of 1939, our Phalanstere help began to arrive in June. India's resource situation is not exemplary like America or Russia's so having more production of resources is good. And three free IC is three free IC. Thanks Britain!  Britain is feeling frisky when it comes to the Entente, which means we have at least one thing in common. With the Internationale and Entente seemingly headed towards war, we'll wait until that point to attack Delhi.  The first domino falls in Europe with the French attacking the Germans, this should all look familiar to anybody who has played KR.  The Spanish join in, their divisions will bolster the frontlines of the French. Very helpful if you're France.  We are good socialists, of course, so I initiate our Second Weltkrieg decision and send volunteers to France.  Latin America chips in as well, the whole socialist world unites in the face of this threat.  The German problems mount when the Japanese Empire decides to take advantage of Germany's continental issues.  The British bring their new Icelandic pals with them into the French alliance. We're getting close now! Here comes the Entente!  Heel turn! Canada decides to shock the world and go after the Germans instead of the Internationale. This actually makes a ton of sense to me in realpolitik terms. The National French have a lot to gain in Africa and the Australasians could do well against the Germans in the Pacific. It's a bit more likely to be successful than an invasion of either France or Britain. Good for you, Entente.   I'm still gonna kick your teeth in, though.  Quite a lot of twists going on here! The Portuguese declaration of war on Germany is a relatively minor event given all the earth shaking events that have taken place.  But...  You're all familiar with the Portugal vs Mittelafrika plotline from earlier in the game? The events associated with that potential war fire now because Portugal is at war with Germany, even though this is anarchist Portugal aligned with a grand socialist alliance that is intractably opposed to the German Empire. Peace reigns in Lorraine. After all this flurry of activity, we have ended up with the Internationale at war with nobody and Mitteleuropa at war with the Entente and the Japanese Empire. So Europe is quiet, but the rest of the world is engulfed in flames. Only in Kaiserreich, folks.  Despite all of this confusion, there is one truth in India. It's time for India to unite under one banner. A red banner. Seventy divisions of ours are involved in the assault on Delhi.  Delhi has spread their armies thin by defending all of their extensive borders. This gives us time to gain on them and disrupt them before they can establish armies with any kind of staying power. For this reason, I'm leaving some provinces lightly defended, because I expect quick victories on all fronts. This means our outdated cavalry that I haven't gotten around to giving away to Burma yet is involved in a bit of a tough battle. I'm not sure why Bose is wasted on this army but I do eventually rectify that and put Bose in charge of a large army suited to his exceptional skills.  Our best bet to ensure the safety of our end of the Ganges River is to have our assault into Arrah and then Lucknow succeed. As soon as we get control of Lucknow, nobody will be able to exploit the light defenses of Muphasaville or whatever its called.  The French ship over our goods. We gained 6 IC from the Phalanstere which is nothing to sneeze at.  Delhi's seizure of the Bombay Presidency has created a strategic geography that benefits us. Delhi's territory protrudes out to the south and thus, it'll be easy for us to push to the Arabian Sea and cut off some of Delhi's troops.   Bombay is also a prize in and of itself.  Because I had to station troops in Ranchi in order to trigger the decision to attack, I have an army split into a group of 3 and group of 6 divisions. The 3 divisions arrived first and is coming up against Delhi's first organized counterattack.  The arrival of the entire army stops the Delhi attack and allows us to begin an attack on Lucknow, from where we can control the road to Delhi itself.  In the south, one breakthrough is as good as a million, because now we can see clearly that there is a huge gap in the lines between the Ganges and Bombay. Even if they can put together a decent defense in either of those areas, we'll be able to send our excess troops through that gap and doom them all the same.  It's always best to envelop the enemy, but its even more important when you use the USSR/Manpower tree of doctrines. Because our units are individually weaker, making the most of command limits counts for a lot. Here we use the 12 from Rewa and 6 from Arrah to really pile onto the three enemy divisions dug in behind the river. In later wars, we'll use this tactic extensively and on a larger scale.  We're not mobile enough to really encircle a ton of enemy divisions but we do catch some nonetheless.  We basically need Karachi, Delhi and Bombay to annex Delhi and the lack of Delhi troops in the Gujarat area give me confidence to penetrate further.  Moving troops through the aforementioned gap begins to have payoffs in the south as we're able to form a few pockets.  It's not as though the enemy has put up much more of a fight to the north. It shouldn't be hard to drive to Delhi at this point.   As we crush pockets, some resistance begins to materialize as Delhi divisions arrive from the Afghan and Persian borders.  The first phase of the Delhi war is done, their armies have been put into disarray and we've gained control over important parts of the front, now we can begin the final march to Karachi and Delhi and unite India once and for all.
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The best part is I am pretty sure it only triggered that way because Canada declared on Germany. That is, I believe, what pulls Mittelfrika into Germany's actual alliance.
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Gamerofthegame posted:Always weirded me out that Natty France has the driver's seat on the Entente yet Canada seems to have all the decisions and junk in it. No they don't, Canada is the alliance leader.
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Huh. I definitely seem to recall it being Natty France and half the reason why I never wanted to do the Entente.
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Gamerofthegame posted:Huh. I definitely seem to recall it being Natty France and half the reason why I never wanted to do the Entente. If Canada falls I think it defaults to True France but otherwise yeah, Canada's the Entente leader. GSD posted:The best part is Canada remains the alliance leader even if you successfully restore the UK I'm thinking this was changed but I don't know if I'm just imagining that or what.
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Mister Adequate posted:
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Yeah it makes a lot of sense in the shorter term to let Canada remain the actual leader, at least while the UK is still setting up its new system, deciding on elections, all that stuff. If it is done it should be after a year or two when things are more stable in London.
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Ahahaha, the Second Weltkrieg ends because of a diplomatic technicality and everyone's kind of just like 'well, I guess we'll go home now'. It's amazing. Even so, that's really something that should be fixed. Is there some sort of event flag that can be un-flagged if Portugal goes syndicalist?
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I brought it up in the bug report forum, it should be fixed next version.
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Bleh, I'd have just re-declared war manually. gently caress that dumb event.
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If it were the main game I'd agree with re-declaring war, but this is just an intermission, and a hilarious turn of events, at that. (but seriously yeah that should be fixed)
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Yeah, I'd rather just see what happens when Germany is in a global war without the threat of the French, probably won't ever see that again.
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Part Seven: October-November 1939 This is new. I like having casualty reports when it comes to destroyed divisions but I disabled these. Nice to have, though.  This is the last pocket in the south, after this is cleared out, I can move these guys around.  I might need them to shore up some of the northern fronts.    Luckily, I don't need all of these fronts, as one of my larger armies can attack Delhi from the south through Jaypur.  After Delhi, all I will need is Karachi, and another army is well on its way to capturing Delhi's home port.  Canadian air support helped to dislodge my army in Cawnpore. I took a lot of losses there, but with Delhi and Karachi in my sights, these provinces are not much of a concern.  Delhi is ours.   Delhi's gains in the north will be temporary because they do not have the strength to hold their gains.  Delhi is now surrounded but the army in Delhi has been digging in and will be able to hold off anybody while we advance on Karachi.  The attrition reports are helpful, but they do pop up every day so they're slightly annoying.   They'll be fine for the few days I need to take Karachi and end this.  Again, the division numbers make this seem less lopsided than it really is. Their divisions are massively understrength.  Their only full strength division involved in the defense was a garrison, and it got wiped out.  With Bombay, Delhi and Karachi all under my control, Delhi is finished.  Our two major enemies are gone, and India is now almost totally united. We're not quite there yet, as we have no cores on most of India. Our war with the rest of the Entente continues and now with all three regional capitals (Calcutta, Delhi and Hyderabad) colored red, we'll begin seeing new events for united India.
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Did Natty France not show up at all? Usually my games see them wheel around out of no where and drop maybe five guys in a port invasion somewhere.
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I'm not sure I agree with the realpolitik explanation for the Entente declaring war on Germany. The Internationale has what the Entente wants: control over their rightful homelands. However, at game start and particularly with the addition of Spain and other overseas countries, the Internationale is far mightier than the Entente. Mitteleuropa is the only credible threat to the Internationale. And there's clearly some common ground there: Edward VIII wants his country back, and his cousin Wilhelm II wants the horde of Godless commies, presently heavily armed and frothing at the mouth right across the border, removed from his doorstep. The mutual hatred between the Entente and Mitteleuropa doesn't make much sense to me. They had already made their peace. When I offered them their countries back, they should have been more like "thanks" and less like "to the last, I grapple with thee; from Hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee."
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"They're Germans Sir Corbett. Loutish, brutish, barbaric Germans! I mean really, as a Peer of the Realm, how can you need more explanation than that!  "
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David Corbett posted:I'm not sure I agree with the realpolitik explanation for the Entente declaring war on Germany. The Internationale has what the Entente wants: control over their rightful homelands. However, at game start and particularly with the addition of Spain and other overseas countries, the Internationale is far mightier than the Entente. The realpolitik logic is sound, but you'd never be able to sell it to the populace, and they're the ones who'll be fighting the war. Why waste time attacking the enemy of your enemy when they're vulnerable? quote:The mutual hatred between the Entente and Mitteleuropa doesn't make much sense to me. They had already made their peace. When I offered them their countries back, they should have been more like "thanks" and less like "to the last, I grapple with thee; from Hell's heart, I stab at thee; for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." The French I can see hating the Germans that much. They collapsed two regimes, took territory each time, and as far as they're concerned caused this entire mess. But they don't have much of a choice- they're sitting on a nationalist powderkeg, and if they don't take back Metropolitan France, they're doomed. I think the whole "Entente vs. Mitteleuropa" was meant as a balance thing. The European International's tactical position is very dependent on the outcome of wars it has little control over. If the Soviets or the CSA are available, they're in great shape, but if they're not, they have to face Mitteleuropa, the Entente, Austro-Hungary or its descendents, Russia, and potentially even Bulgaria and Spain. So the game bends over backwards to keep Germany isolated. When HoI 4 comes, I doubt I'll be bringing that stuff over with me- France, Britain, and the SRI will be as doomed as they should be.
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Isn't that event weighted 85/15 in favour of war with the Internationale anyway? The Entente attacking Mitteleuropa instead of the Internationale is pretty rare in my experience, and it makes for a more enjoyable game if there's a small chance of it going off the rails a bit like that.
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I think it comes off as weird because while Entente/Mitteleuropa antagonism seems like the same petty politics that set off WW1, the Internationale is a serious existential threat to Canada and National France especially. I feel like the points of conflict between Mitteleuropa and the Entente aren't as clearly articulated.
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Kavak posted:The realpolitik logic is sound, but you'd never be able to sell it to the populace, and they're the ones who'll be fighting the war. Why waste time attacking the enemy of your enemy when they're vulnerable? Maybe just make it so that its less likely for all that to happen in a game. Also keep the Central European civil war.
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Crowsbeak posted:Maybe just make it so that its less likely for all that to happen in a game. Also keep the Central European civil war. Oh believe me, Austro-Hungary's internal troubles aren't going anywhere. It's just that at least one of the factions left when the ashes settle is all but certain to be in favor of working with Germany against the International.
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Kavak posted:Oh believe me, Austro-Hungary's internal troubles aren't going anywhere. It's just that at least one of the factions left when the ashes settle is all but certain to be in favor of working with Germany against the International. A-H joined the Entente in my recent Canada game - I enjoyed that a lot.
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