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Chapter Fourteen: Pragmatism (Eastern Mediterranean: October 18, 1942 - March 10, 1943) Thread Title: Warzone 1942 Update Released! Posted By: [Dev] mlarson Body: We're excited to announced that our second Middle East update has been completed. This update includes: Four new playable factions: -Cretan Protectorate -Egypt -Ottoman Empire -Canada Six new maps -Crete: Storm the beaches as a Revolutionary Marine or defend it as a Cretan Guard! -Fuqa: Take part in the pivotal battle of the Egyptian theater. Either storm the Egyptian defenses or hold back the rapid American Red Army. -Bir Nahid: The new M-22 Buck tank has been deployed to Africa as a symbol of Canadian power. Break through the Egyptian lines or spoil Chairman Buck's grand designs in an asymmetrical map unlike any in Warzone. -Alexandria: Urban warfare is the name of the game in this infantry-based map. -Giza: The Pyramids loom in the distance as the Egyptian army makes a desperate last stand to keep the American Red Army out of Cairo. -Rhodes: You asked for it, we made it! Our most unique map yet. Be an American in the air or an Ottoman in the sea, as the Americans launch an air raid on the Ottoman naval base in Rhodes. The Americans must sink the Ottoman big ships before too many of their planes are shot down. Unlike any game mode we've released yet! Includes twenty new vehicles and forty new weapons as well! Look for the third and final Middle East update in June.  Thread Title: Air in Fuqa Stage I is WAY OVERPOWERED Posted By: xXxh4yw00dxXx Body: Okay, so the devs finally made a map that plays well in a bomber plane but they went too far and made the American bombers on Fuqa One way way too powerful. It's impossible for the Egyptians to do well on stage two or three when they're at such a disadvantage. Hope that the next rebalance addresses this  Signature: ABRAHAM LINCOLN CORPS: THE FINEST CLAN IN WZ1942 JOIN TODAY  Reply #1: Posted By: TheKiller Body: Looks like somebody's mad they can't hide from a bomber. They said the Middle East updates would be about asymmetrical warfare, if you paid any attention you might have thought to think about your tactics but instead you got owned and now you're bitching like any true ALB amateur would. See you on the battlefield B) Signature: Benjamin Franklin Corps - JOIN - THE BEST IN THE WORLD P.S. ALB SUCKS  Reply #2: Posted By: xXxh4yw00dxXx Body: gently caress YOU HACKER SHITHEAD Signature: ABRAHAM LINCOLN CORPS: THE FINEST CLAN IN WZ1942 JOIN TODAY  Thread Title: WZ1942 is crap game filled with PROPAGANDA and american LIES!!!!!!!1 Posted By: MinoanWARRIORG0D Body: WHY DOES WZ1942 continue vile LIE that war in crete was a noble battle when it was GENOCIDE?? BOMBERS DESTROY CRETE VILLAGE WHILE german COLLABORATORS backstab NOBLE cRETAN warriors; OUTRAGEOUS Signature: CRETE WIL BE FREE OF GREEK TYRANNY DOWN WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION DOWN WITH GREECE DOWN WITH FRANCE DOWN WITH COMBINED SYNDICATES CRETE FOREVER  Reply #1: Posted By: MinoanWARRIORG0D Body: it is true that american battleship were there. SHELLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN Signature: CRETE WIL BE FREE OF GREEK TYRANNY DOWN WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION DOWN WITH GREECE DOWN WITH FRANCE DOWN WITH COMBINED SYNDICATES CRETE FOREVER  Reply #2: Posted by: TankCommander22 [Mod] Body: This isn't a gameplay issue, please take this to the off-topic forum.  Reply #3: Posted By: MinoanWARRIORG0D Body: no! the game should tell the TRUTH of how the americans enslaved crete to sell like SLAVES to greece in order for greece to join EU Signature: CRETE WIL BE FREE OF GREEK TYRANNY DOWN WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION DOWN WITH GREECE DOWN WITH FRANCE DOWN WITH COMBINED SYNDICATES CRETE FOREVER  Reply #4: Posted by: JohnnyFromDetroit Body: How would a game about the war cover a treaty signed in 1964? That doesn't even make sense, not even for you. Signature: nerf the french Reply #5: Posted by: MinoanWARRIORG0D Body: keep believing the lies, mister johnnyfromLIESVILLE Signature: CRETE WIL BE FREE OF GREEK TYRANNY DOWN WITH THE EUROPEAN UNION DOWN WITH GREECE DOWN WITH FRANCE DOWN WITH COMBINED SYNDICATES CRETE FOREVER  Reply #6: Posted by: TankCommander22 [Mod] Body: That's enough of that. Thread locked and OP suspended.  Thread Title: How to add new marine unit to Malta? Posted by: aqib444 Body: I really like new weapons for American Marines, how do I add them to the Malta map? I copied the files but they do not load? Signature: Al-Ahly FOR LIFE  Reply #1: Posted by: tonkatruck Body: You need to rename the files to match the old ones, or else the game won’t load them. Make sure everybody you play with has the same files named the same way or else the map won’t load.  Thread Title: Expanded Fuqa Stages Mod Posted by: Argonaut Body: Hello everybody! I really enjoy the Fuqa maps, but I’ve decided I’d like to see more stages based on the stages of the battle and even some ahistoric situations! The first one is Stage One, where the American Red Army is unorganized and the Egyptian Army has an opportunity (that they never took) to repel the invaders. The map has been modified to reduce the respawn rate and defensive positions available for the Americans.  Reply #524: Posted by: Argonaut Body: Stage Two is here! This map isn’t much changed from the vanilla version except that the starting positions have been tweaked and the Quebecois, Canadians and Americans have all been combined into one Allied faction specially created to simulate the deep cooperation between the three armies.  Reply #662: Posted by: Argonaut Body: Stage Three is finished. This map represents the main advance of the Americans, and so they have more tanks and jeeps at their disposal and are positioned to encircle the Egyptians. The Egyptians are in a precarious position where they really need to prevent themselves being surrounded and so this map has a ‘mad dash’ sense to it that I think you’ll all really enjoy!  Reply #765: Posted by: Argonaut Body: Stage Four!!! This one was a bit of a pain to balance but I think I’ve got it. This is a survival map where the Egyptians need to hold at least one point or have at least one person alive for thirty minutes to win the map. To win, the Americans need to use their overwhelming advantage at this stage of the battle to wipe out the Egyptians and move on. I’d appreciate some reports about this one to see if thirty minutes is too much or not enough time. Have fun!  Reply #1005: Posted by: Argonaut Body: Okay, listen. I’m not any kind of historian, I simply read about the battle and LOVED the map so I decided to create new scenarios with it. Not everything has to be perfectly historical! It’d be kind of a boring game sometimes if it was. If you don’t like it, don’t download it!   Reply #2505: Posted by: Argonaut Body: No, I’m not expanding it to the El Alamein skirmish. This thread has gotten out of hand, I’ve been called an American shill and an Arab nationalist (I’m from South Africa fyi) too many times to count and I can’t take a thousand more nasty replies about this.   Reply #5523 Posted by: Argonaut Body: Alright, I had the bug and decided to make an air only version of the map between the Germans and Americans for my own purposes and because a few of you have been so kind in your emails to me, I’ve decided to put it out DESPITE all the negativity in this thread. I hope you enjoy because I’m never releasing another mod again. Good bye.  Thread Title: Rhodes Bug???? Posted by: daBoatCapn Body: No boats on Rhodes?? Where are the boats??  Thread Title: MARK LARSON IS A CRYPTOTOTALIST Posted by: SpiritOf1936 Body: [this message has been removed for abusive content] Signature: THREE PERCENT OF AMERICANS DEFEATED THE CAPITALISTS. THREE PERCENT CAN KEEP HER FREE. https://www.defendsyndicalismfromtyranny.org  Reply #1: Posted by: SpiritOf1936 Body: [this message has been removed for abusive content] Signature: THREE PERCENT OF AMERICANS DEFEATED THE CAPITALISTS. THREE PERCENT CAN KEEP HER FREE. https://www.defendsyndicalismfromtyranny.org  Reply #2: Posted by: SpiritOf1936 Body: AND THAT IS WHY I REFUSE TO STAND BY WHILE THESE TRAITORS GLORIFY CANADIAN TYRANNY Signature: THREE PERCENT OF AMERICANS DEFEATED THE CAPITALISTS. THREE PERCENT CAN KEEP HER FREE. https://www.defendsyndicalismfromtyranny.org Reply #3: Posted by: Cosmos Body: dude its just a showcase for the new tank calm down  Thread Title: Was Alexandria even a real battle? Posted by: billy21 Body: n/t  Reply #1: Posted by: aqib444 Body: I live in Alexandria and it was a short but fierce battle, there are still some mosques with bullet holes that were left as a memorial to the dead. Sometimes not covered in textbooks because so few Egyptians left after Fuqa but it did happen! Signature: Al-Ahly FOR LIFE  Reply #2: Posted by: aqib444 Body: Giza was also very short for that matter. I think the developers just wanted to model the pyramids!! :p Signature: Al-Ahly FOR LIFE  Reply #3: Posted by: billy21 Body: wow I didn’t know that and my book didn’t say anything about it. Now that I’ve read up on it, I wonder if they could add in the Egyptian raiding cavalry that got behind American lines. That’d be neat.  Reply #4: Posted by: TheKiller Body: you would want to play on a horse because you suck lmao Signature: Benjamin Franklin Corps - JOIN - THE BEST IN THE WORLD P.S. ALB SUCKS  Reply #5: Posted by: billy21 Body: listen turd I’d beat you riding a horse, a donkey or your mom  Thread Title: No Suez map? Posted by: MichaelVonPrussia Body: Once again, this developer continues their anti-historical slander of the German Empire by omitting one of the more heroic episodes of the Second Weltskrieg. The defense of the Suez Canal against the Americans was a glorious moment for the Empire and the fact it has been left out just shows this developer has NO integrity whatsoever. Signature: Gott Mit Uns Visit https://www.michaelvonprussia.ddr for the TRUTH about Germany  Reply #1: Posted by: daBoatCapn Body: Yeah, yeah! Why can’t we drive boats through the canal? Would be SWEET  Reply #2: Posted by: [Dev] mlarson Body: The defeat of the German garrison is such a minor event that it didn’t register for us to include it in this update, especially when we have the pivotal Operation Vienna to consider for our third update.  Reply #3: Posted by: daBoatCapn Body: Will there be boats?  Thread Title: Nile interest check? Posted by: Argonaut Body: Yes, yes, I know I said I was quitting modding forever but I just saw a great special about some American soldiers going down the Nile. Not sure how many battles there are to speak of really but some of the locales are great and I was wondering if any map makers and texture artists might be interested in putting together a Nile map pack?  Reply #1: Posted by: [Dev] mlarson Body: We skipped the Nile entirely because south of Asyut, there really was nothing to speak of. We may revisit it if we ever do a sub-Saharan Africa update but we’re also pretty cold on just inventing battles that might have been interesting. Altering the facts for balance purposes is one thing, pulling a battle out of thin air is something else entirely.  Reply #2: Posted by: mongomundo Body: Me and a few friends are starting up a series of ‘What if?’ maps and one of us thought it might be interesting to have one where the Egyptians have more strength and attempt to actually destroy the motorized corps that captured Khartoum. If you’d like, I could send you a message with some details.  Thread Title: Is this suitable for my class? Posted by: Francine Body: I’m not one for video games so forgive my ignorance. I’ve been on the hunt for some media I could use in my class to teach about the war in Egypt and Libya. There’s definitely a gap between the many wonderful films and novels about Algeria and what’s available about the Ottoman Empire. I’m trying not to gloss over it because it is an interesting episode where America isn’t exactly the good guy. Is it overly violent and how accurate is its portrayal of the conflict?  Reply #1: Posted by: [Dev] mlarson Body: Welcome, Francine! I appreciate your interest in Warzone 1942 as an educational tool and I’d like to offer some tips and disclaimers. Blood can be turned off in the graphics options if you so wish. Furthermore, you can find in the Server Administration subforum information on how to moderate a game you set up for your classroom because I know how kids get on these games sometimes. With regards to the historical accuracy of our game, we have strived to represent the battles as faithfully as we can while still providing a compelling balanced game that is fun to play. Our portrayals of the equipment are 100% faithful to the arms used by each army at the time. In your shoes, I would definitely use the game to interest students in a theater that they likely haven’t been exposed to, but I would also make sure to make it clear that Egypt and Libya were not the peers of the American Red Army in any way. I hope your class enjoys WZ1942!   Reply #2: Posted by: aqib444 Body: if you like I can send you many great Arabic films about the war! I believe you can find subtitles for them on the internet, but I am not sure. Thank you so much for teaching your students about how America affected us, it is something every Egyptian school child knows but I take it, not many Americans know. Signature: Al-Ahly FOR LIFE   Reply #2: Posted by: SpiritOf1936 Body: typical 21st century teacher… indoctrinating our kids to believe America is always wrong… you buy the lies of your foreign buddies like aqib here who would have us believe that these people would have been so much better off if we had never freed them. Just look at what happened to Libya once they didn’t want our help anymore… Take your treason and lies elsewhere… Signature: THREE PERCENT OF AMERICANS DEFEATED THE CAPITALISTS. THREE PERCENT CAN KEEP HER FREE. https://www.defendsyndicalismfromtyranny.org
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Gamerofthegame posted:gently caress alb Seriously, those guys camp something fierce. And they're not even good at it.
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I continue to be impressed by the variety of framing devices for updates you come up with. Spoilers for speculation on later in the LP: Does that DDR web address mean Germany isn't getting divied up? That never really made sense to me- why would you create so many potential problem states when you could have one strong socialist Germany to wield against the enemies of the revolution? It seems like a holdover from what capitalist Russia could do to the German Empire. The French would also be wary of the precedent it would set for the Bretons, who are quite comfortable with splitting off from them if the Germans win.
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I am truly disappointed that https://www.defendsyndicalismfromtyranny.org is not an actual website.
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I like how even in the glorious socialist reality of this LP, human nature is still the exact same thing. This LP continues to be amazing.
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SpiritOf1936 is going to end up in a shootout on some collective farm in the boonies, isn't he?
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CommissarMega posted:SpiritOf1936 is going to end up in a shootout on some collective farm in the boonies, isn't he? Look, Chicago has betrayed the Founders' intent and is slowly turning America into a Totalist hellhole. What are you going to do about it, hmm?
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That was magnificent. Incidentally, between the Spain update and the Al Ahly fan here, You've got me thinking about football in the future of the fictitious world of a Kaiserreich game.
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GunnerJ posted:Look, Chicago has betrayed the Founders' intent and is slowly turning America into a Totalist hellhole. What are you going to do about it, hmm? Vote for Comrade Trump and his running mate, Comrade Cruz, of course!
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GunnerJ posted:Look, Chicago has betrayed the Founders' intent and is slowly turning America into a Totalist hellhole. What are you going to do about it, hmm? We need conservative talk radio in here, stat.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:I like how even in the glorious socialist reality of this LP, human nature is still the exact same thing. This LP continues to be amazing. Forums. Forums never change.
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ZiegeDame posted:I am truly disappointed that https://www.defendsyndicalismfromtyranny.org is not an actual website.
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Chief Savage Man, I know you're probably been asked this before but that's quite a few pages to search: what's the art pack that you're using for the unit cards? I'm dusting off DH for my first Kaiserreich 1.7 game
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TehKeen posted:Chief Savage Man, I know you're probably been asked this before but that's quite a few pages to search: what's the art pack that you're using for the unit cards? I'm dusting off DH for my first Kaiserreich 1.7 game I believe it's the SKIF models from the KR thread on the DH subforum on Paradox Plaza.
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Chapter Fifteen: Operation Rocky (Italy: March 5 - March 28, 1943) The boy is bewildered, running after his father as he storms out of the church. Father is cursing up a storm, taking the Lord’s name in vain repeatedly. Mother comes hurrying out of the church behind them, with his little sister in tow. ‘Julio! JULIO!’ Mother yells out, to no avail. The boy is frightened seeing his father ignoring his mother. Father never gets this upset. In desperation, he shouts, as loud as he can with his tiny voice: ‘Papa! Won’t the Lord be mad at us?’ That freezes Father in his tracks. The boy can see his Father’s shoulders rise up slowly then drop down, as he takes a deep breath. He turns around and drops to one knee. ‘Hijo… There is no God.’ The memory appeared in Rodrigo’s mind as vividly as a motion picture. It was as though God had asked his soul: Why do you not believe? And this moment outside a church in rural Jalisco was the answer. His brain raced past, barely stopping to register the theological implications of his father’s anger. His father. He would be sad. But he would be proud, in a way. Rodrigo was never one to obsess about making his father proud, but this felt like a small condolence. Mother would be devastated. He didn’t want to think about her. It hurt too much, even in this moment of painlessness. She never wanted him to go. Neither did Juliana. His sister was already making his wedding plans. Gabriella. There had been some words with Gabriella before he left, but the instant the boat left port, Rodrigo felt like he hadn’t said enough. Part of Rodrigo wished he had just listened to his mother and done it already. He felt badly about that. Gabriella was a survivor though. She would move on. She would make somebody very happy. He could only hope that she realized how much she was loved. His family, his village, Mexico, life. They would all go on without him. There was nothing he could do for them anymore. He hoped they would be proud of him. Maybe the family name would live on, if not through him, through a street named in his honor, like the ones named after the Zapatista heroes of the Revolution. It wasn’t the grandchild his mother desperately wanted, but his sacrifice was the only thing he could give her at this point. Sacrifice. This brought Rodrigo to the person he was most afraid of disappointing: himself. He knew that his legacy would be one of sacrifice. It brought a measure of peace when it came to his family. However, he could not forgive himself for this, the fact that he would not be able to live out his potential. As his brain raced through his life to the present, it began to overshoot and visions of lost future came to mind. A wedding, never to take place. A beautiful baby in his arms, never to be born. A classroom, perhaps, or a hospital, to be staffed by somebody else; somebody thanking him profusely… for something. Something that would never take place. It became less clear the further on it went. Soon enough, he could only feel warmth. And then that, also, was gone, leaving only his consciousness, and the void. With nothing left to sense but itself, his consciousness felt itself coming apart. With its last faculties, it felt a feeling between regret and wonder. Perhaps his soul was being rejected. Perhaps there was a cost to his lack of faith after all. Maybe he should have believed. It was too late for that. At least the matter that once made up his body would return to the Earth. Rodrigo hoped something beautiful, or at least useful, would grow from what remained. And then there was only the void. But then his consciousness screamed. Every sense was overloaded. His eyes and ears could only discern chaos. He could taste dirt and blood. He could smell gunpowder and ash. He became aware of his body, bit by bit, realizing that it was in the worst pain he could remember. Remember. Every memory came flooding back to him, leading his mind back to the present. Italy. This was Italy. His eyes focused, finally, on three shiny shapes zooming off into the clouds. As his eyes drifted down to the horizon, he could see burning hulks and blurry figures shrinking away. With every bit of his strength, he sat up. The ground around him was pockmarked, his pants were tattered, his legs bleeding, his head throbbing. As he brought his hands to his head, he realized that he existed. He was alive. Whether through divine intervention or chance, his story would go on. At least for today. Forty-five years later Chamber Subcommittee on History Education Standards Consultation – January 15th, 1978 Topic: The Second World War Subtopic: American Tactics in Europe Day 16 of Consultations Consultant: Doctor Gary Cartwright, Haywood University Subcommittee Members: Subcommittee Chair Jeffrey Audla (Inuit Congress – Alaska) Mary Bradley (NPS – Utah) Leonard Grassley (DGS – North Dakota) Anthony Leone (IBT – New York) Jane Perkins (AFT – Oregon) John Stevens (UAW – Michigan) Rodrigo Velasquez (USW – Texas) *begin recording* Chair Jeffrey Audla: This is the Subcommittee on History Education Standards, as part of the Committee on Education, and our consultation with Doctor Gary Cartwright is hereby called back to order. If I recall, we left off discussing… hold on, let me check my notes. Delegate Perkins: My last note is about who holds the responsibility for the Prague Pact’s defeat. Chair Jeffrey Audla: Yes, thank you, Jane. Thank you for coming back a second day, Doctor, and continue whenever you are ready.  Doctor Cartwright: It is my pleasure. So, when it comes to the question of “Who lost the war?”, there’s a ton of interpretations depending on where you are and what your agenda is. The ‘blame the allies’ approach was pretty common in both Germany and North America in the postwar period. I venture to guess it was motivated by France’s need for a strong partner on the Continent to get the European Union off the ground. It isn’t entirely unfair to heap some scorn on the German allies, the Germans very well may have been able to break through in their attacks on the Western Front if not for the poor state of their allies on the flanks, so to speak. The losses in the early stages of the Western Front were about equal, but the French never could have sustained them over a few years. The German Army was just about the strongest in the world at that time when you consider their much deeper reserves of manpower. Delegate Stevens: So was it a mistake for the Germans to involve the Prague Pact given the poor state of some of their allied forces? Did they even need the allies?  Doctor Cartwright: No, it was a natural and well thought out response to the aggressive posture of the Combined Syndicates in Africa. Bruning and his government believed, with what was obviously good reason, that the Combined Syndicates would be committing fully to the European war effort. So in that lens, the Germans had to feel like they were outnumbered with just the Mitteleuropa bloc. Saying that, the Italians in particular do deserve special blame for the poor state of their military. It was at least fifteen years out of date. Winning their “guerra splendida” against the Austrian Empire and the assurances given to them by the German Empire to get them into the pact contributed to their sense of complacency. But the Germans gained the right to base their own troops in Italian territory, which certainly helped slow the Syndintern advance.  Delegate Leone: The presence of neutral territory would have been a barrier to our advance, though, correct? Doctor Cartwright: I wouldn’t say that. Given the preemptive operations against Spain and Egypt, and especially when you consider the Naples regime’s desire for Risorgimento, I can only imagine the Revolutionary Marines would have landed in Venice whether they were involved in the war or not. I have often used the decision to preemptively strike Spain as a jumping off point for a discussion of the ethics of War Plan Black. It would be important for any history course about the war to consider the aggressive strategic posture of America when discussing the actions of the Prague Pact. It is almost an instinct to conflate being the morally incorrect or quote end quote evil side with also being the aggressor. This would be a mistake in this case, a grave one, because the facts of the conflict are that we were the aggressor, repeatedly. The Prague Pact, despite its imperialist and capitalist nature, always maintained a defensive posture.  Delegate Grassley: I would not appreciate it if our textbooks painted America as the villain. Doctor Cartwright: I obviously don’t regard the Syndintern as a villain, but it is indisputable that America was an instigating party throughout the war. The tactical and strategic aspects of our wartime conduct were obviously sound, but the ethical questions arising from War Plan Black are invaluable teaching moments, both in and of themselves and as a foundation for learning about the postwar period, particularly when it comes to Egypt.  Delegate Grassley: And so how would you portray America in a good light? Doctor Cartwright: By telling the truth, Mr. Grassley. In this information age, our citizens can see through a propagandist approach to history. I think the facts of the pre socialist age speak for themselves. No matter the ethics of what happened, our world is undeniably in better shape now than before the war. That speaks for itself, the details of how we got here are important for the future lessons learned. I also believe it is important to not leave out the efforts of our allies when we teach the war. The Syndintern was quite the international effort, and War Plan Black enjoyed nearly unanimous support amongst the Syndintern members involved, if you discount some hesitation on the part of the British.  Delegate Leone: How fair would it be to present the war effort as a partnership of equals then? Doctor Cartwright: Well certainly France took the brunt of Germany’s army and did the most dying. Then the Combined Syndicates provided the forces that won a number of secondary fronts and the resources that fed the Communal Army. The British provided the carrier strength that allowed the transoceanic supply routes to remain open. Those three nations certainly deserve the lion’s share of the credit. When it comes to Italy though, it would not be unfair at all to give equal credit to us, the Italian Republicans, and the OAS expeditionary forces. It is certainly in vogue to discredit the contributions of Buck’s Canada, given recent events, but it would be unfair to do so.  Delegate Grassley: Equal? I don’t remember seeing any Mexican or Italian planes in Italy.  Delegate Velasquez: Because we were busy on the ground, fighting and dying. Delegate Leone: Mr. Grassley, I would appreciate it if my people weren’t erased from the story of their own liberation. Delegate Grassley: Mr. Leone, I would appreciate it if this country’s history isn’t diluted so that nobody gets their feelings hurt. You tell a veteran who was there that it was “equal”. It’d be the same as pissing in-  Chair Audla: Mr. Grassley, we are not here to argue. The good doctor has come to consult with us and we would do well not to interrupt him with things such as this. Doctor, were you in the war? Doctor Cartwright: Yes. I was a sergeant in the Canadian Army. I was in Italy until I was wounded in Florence. When I heard the rumors about the state of the universities at home, I decided to get off the train in Chicago rather than continue on to the border. Delegate Grassley: So a Canadian is here to tell us how to teach our children?  Delegate Velasquez: Enough of this, Leonard! Are you here to think about our children or are you here to encourage nationalism? I don’t remember seeing any Americans for periods of months when I was in Italy. I almost died there and you refuse to give credit to anybody but the Red Army. Delegate Grassley: So are you a Mexican or an American?  Chair Audla: You’re out of order, Mr. Grassley. Mr. Velasquez serves America proudly, and he is also proud of his service to Mexico. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it is quite common. Mr. Leone, as I recall, was born in New York, yet he feels a bond to where his parents came from. I am a tribesman and a countryman. And to insult the nations, sovereign or otherwise, who took part in the war, goes against all of our values as internationalists and socialists. Our children not only need the plain facts of what occurred, but they also need to feel a connection to the past. To celebrate the deeds of the Italian army, or the Mexican army, or for the refugees, to celebrate the great things that the Canadian army once took a part in, even to foster the dual identity of my people as Inuits and Americans, celebrating the diversity of the Syndintern is vital to help create a nation unlike any other, where any person can feel like they have as much right to it as anybody else, no matter their place or birth or the time they’ve been here. It would be a crime to allow our textbooks to act as tools of nationalist erasure. *silence*  Doctor Cartwright: *cough* If I may, I would like to address a question to Delegate Perkins. Chair Audla: You may. Doctor Cartwright: Ms. Perkins, in your teaching experience, do students respond well to strictly military accounts of the war, or does the broader narrative work better? Delegate Perkins: Oh, it depends on the student. With all the war movies out there, a lot of them are simply fascinated and want to know more about the battles. But I would also agree with Mr. Audla, many students respond well to learning about the human and cultural aspects. Doctor Cartwright: When it comes to the battles, the Red Army certainly was, by far, the most effective in the theaters in which it fought, given all of the aircraft and motorized vehicles that we had the industrial capacity to produce. But, as I’m sure Mr. Velasquez can attest to, the war was equally important to all of the nations involved, and when it comes to understanding the effects of the war on our world today, giving credit is not nearly as important as drawing connections. What does the war tell us about the Mexican experience and the pan-American movement? What does it tell us about what is going on in Canada today? The Muslim Brotherhood, how it sped up integration considerably, how did this war contribute to what occurs today? That is where the value of history education truly lies and how you get children interested in history on a deeper level, a level beyond flag waving and rooting for the good guys in whatever film is in the cinema.  Delegate Stevens: And so how do we accomplish that in a balanced way? Doctor Cartwright: I believe the best way is to get away from spending a lot of time on the strategic events of the war. It’s very interesting and its always appealing to revel in our national heroics, but when it comes to the actual utility of that knowledge, it isn’t helpful for anybody outside the military. Broad strokes when it comes to the military action, and use that time to focus on the long term consequences of the conflict and to drive home the internationalist nature of the Syndintern by telling the stories of the OAS forces or perhaps the Italian reunification process. Delegate Grassley: Well if identity is important, why not regionalize the standards in order to reflect the diversity of American backgrounds? Delegate Velasquez: So that you can have North Dakota’s textbooks remove all mention of our hand in installing Buck? So you can get more people riled up to throw the refugees back into the Hell we helped create for them? No, thank you. Chair Audla: That is another topic for another day, Mr. Velasquez.  Delegate Perkins: Regardless, it’s been attempted already. About twenty years ago, the German government devolved education standards to each region. Within about six months, new textbooks in Bavaria no longer contained mention of the forced labor camps in Africa and was blaming the entire loss on backstabbing allies. The analysis of the Empire’s decline was suddenly replaced by tales of Italian and Ottoman treachery. And like the Doctor said, complacency is about the worst the federation could have been accused of. It was quite the scandal and fiasco to recentralize the standards and they’ve already moved to introduce Europe-wide standards to minimize nationalist interpretations across the continent. The teachers could not support that kind of regional system. It simply creates too much opportunity for divisive interpretation and means university professors have no idea what to expect of their students.  Delegate Bradley: The place for celebrating heroism is at our memorials, not in our textbooks. I have to agree with the Doctor and Ms Perkins’ assessment. Let people go to Italy if they want to immerse themselves in the details of the battles there. There’s only so many years to teach our children, they can learn enough about our heroic deeds on May Day. There is no need to burden our teachers with additional responsibilities such as… what Mr. Grassley seems to suggest. Delegate Velasquez: And definitely no place for our teachers to indoctrinate.  Doctor Cartwright: I know I am here to consult on the history but I must chime in with my experience as a professor. When I first began instructing at Haywood... well, it was still Loyola back then. Anyway, it was very difficult to discern what each of my students had been taught. Their accounting of the facts seemed to heavily depend on in what environment they had spent their formative years. The Pacific States, the Union State, federal territory, so on and so forth. Not just having different opinions and biases, that is only natural, but different facts entirely. It was difficult to teach not having any idea what a person believed as true. To open up the standards to different regions, it may just cause a similar problem, even if we are not as divided today. And I also must agree with Mrs. Bradley that many students in our history classes at Haywood are ill-prepared to engage in serious historical work, since they are used to a simple accounting of the facts. Some are only there to listen to stories, more or less. The more secondary students engage in foundational analysis, the more we’ll be able to accomplish at universities. And besides, now that the number of Transatlantic flights have been expanded, we’ve actually been able to start doing some summer and winter student trips overseas. I’m chaperoning a tour of the battlefields and military cemeteries of Italy in a few months, actually. Those are the places to memorialize our military deeds, not in our classrooms.  Delegate Velasquez: Will you be visiting the Bologna cemetery, Doctor? Doctor Cartwright: Yes, actually. Delegate Velasquez: May I speak to you after we’re done here? I have a... favor to ask. *silence* Doctor Cartwright: Yes, yes, of course. Delegate Velasquez: Thank you. Chair Audla: Well, I think we have made some strides today. Given the coming weather, I am going to adjourn this consultation early so the good Doctor can get back to Haywood. Thank you, Doctor, for your expertise on this subject. *end recording*
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I'd just like to reiterate that you do a wonderful job of the narration.
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Feb 24, 2016 18:00
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Thank you. The beginning part actually came from a writing prompt thing my aunt has started sending around the family. I was thinking about how to handle this update when a prompt for Death came through and so I wrote that. I sent it in and now my aunt is excited to research the Mexican Army in Italy. I'm fairly certain there were no Mexican units in Italy but I just don't have the heart to tell her it's all in a fictional context.
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Feb 24, 2016 19:38
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The writing in this lp is indeed excellent. Thanks for your efforts.
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Feb 24, 2016 20:29
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 Glad to see Germany isn't getting divided in this game, I never liked that option. What do those acronyms after each delegates name mean?
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Feb 25, 2016 02:00
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Kavak posted:
I'm happy the AI didn't go for the division because it seems like more tags for the sake of more tags. I'm glad I don't have to explain the different subnations. The acronyms represent the organizations, mostly unions, but also public agencies and various other things, that send delegates to Chicago.
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Just to add as a union organizer and an amateur labor historian, the United Steelworkers did not form until 1942. As such, I'm not entirely sure they would exist in the Kaiserreich timeline with those initials. AFT, UAW, and IBT all make good sense, though.
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Must Love Dogs posted:Just to add as a union organizer and an amateur labor historian, the United Steelworkers did not form until 1942. As such, I'm not entirely sure they would exist in the Kaiserreich timeline with those initials. AFT, UAW, and IBT all make good sense, though. This does make me wonder how a union or syndicate formed post revolution would come about, be recognized and integrate into the political structure. Like, for example, how would a new industry like computers and software develop in this story line, and then how would those knowledge workers be represented?
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Chief Savage Man posted:This does make me wonder how a union or syndicate formed post revolution would come about, be recognized and integrate into the political structure. Like, for example, how would a new industry like computers and software develop in this story line, and then how would those knowledge workers be represented? They wouldn't, because capitalism is the only road to innovation. Welcome to the struggle, valued employee!
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Chief Savage Man posted:This does make me wonder how a union or syndicate formed post revolution would come about, be recognized and integrate into the political structure. Like, for example, how would a new industry like computers and software develop in this story line, and then how would those knowledge workers be represented? I can't speak for things as far as trade unions go, but we classify those kind of jobs under the same department as shipping and freight, since these are all industries that rely on long-distance travel and communication to function properly. So, possibly, you might see something like that or such jobs falling under the purview of the Teamsters along the same logic or under the IBEW, as they are electric jobs by nature of the equipment used. Of course, all of these unions were formed under the oppressive rule of the capitalist system, so it's hard to say if we can make that kind of comparison in organization, Whatever keeps you writing in that amazing narrative, I say.
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xthnru posted:I can't speak for things as far as trade unions go, but we classify those kind of jobs under the same department as shipping and freight, since these are all industries that rely on long-distance travel and communication to function properly. So, possibly, you might see something like that or such jobs falling under the purview of the Teamsters along the same logic or under the IBEW, as they are electric jobs by nature of the equipment used. I can also see an argument that they should fall under academic/science unions because the original purpose of computers was to do complicated calculations, plus the current view of CS as a STEM degree. And I figure this would have a better chance of getting answered here, apparently one of the Chinese splinter states (forget their name right now) is atleast in theory a neo-Taiping revolt, assuming they win the chinese civil war are there any events for the Internationale's reaction to them and their ideology? I'd play them to find out but Im not good enough. And the tl;dr of the original Taiping beliefs is basically a synergist folk christianity-confucianism religion that atleast at the start implemented a sort of peasant communism.
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I doubt there would be many new industry wide unions. They'd likely all be syndicates and co-ops. If you own the means of production and workplaces are run democratically you don't need to collectively bargain. I suppose there could be an over-arching federation of syndicates for an industry though to regulate each syndicate.
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After a syndicalist revolution, I'd hypothesize that new unions would likely form within existing internationals, and that once a nascent industry got to a sufficient critical mass, the trade union center (i.e. the syndicalist government) would work with internationals that had workers in that industry to merge them into a newly formed union. This is similar to how United Steelworkers formed, actually, as the United Mine Workers under John L. Lewis helped form the Steel Workers Organizing Committee that USW formed from after merging with the Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers. In addition, in this kind of world, it's likely that craft unions like IUPAT or IBEW would be subsumed into industrial unions that organize wall to wall. This kind of effort could lead to friction, if either the government forced them to merge into a Building Trades Industrial Union or created such a union and essentially raided the craft unions out of existence. Worth thinking about from a narrative standpoint. Must Love Dogs fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Feb 28, 2016 |
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Feb 28, 2016 03:58
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Chief Savage Man posted:This does make me wonder how a union or syndicate formed post revolution would come about, be recognized and integrate into the political structure. Like, for example, how would a new industry like computers and software develop in this story line, and then how would those knowledge workers be represented? For that matter, what protections and representation does a syndicalist society offer to people who can't or won't belong to a trade union? How does a trade union get recognized by whatever governmental superstructure may exist? How do I get the resources start up a new business that may only need to employ myself and a few others to begin with? And I've brought this up before, but what happens to the professional class which historically simply hasn't needed a union, and mostly associate via partnerships like doctors, accountants, lawyers and such? Presumably they would just get hired by whatever management or agents the unions appoint, but do they get any political representation? paragon1 fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Feb 28, 2016 |
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Feb 28, 2016 04:30
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paragon1 posted:
Perhaps professional associations would take upon such functions?
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Feb 28, 2016 04:33
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paragon1 posted:For that matter, what protections and representation does a syndicalist society offer to people who can't or won't belong to a trade union? How does a trade union get recognized by whatever governmental superstructure may exist?
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Feb 28, 2016 09:12
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I assumed lawyers would be represented by a/the bar association.
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I've got a gameplay related question: I've been trying to get a good, interesting v1.7 CSA game going and while I'm getting really good at winning the civil war, France always seems to effortlessly steamroll Europe while I'm in the middle of holding off what remains of the Fed Govt/AUS and Canada. By the time I can get all of New England back and puppet Canada, French armies have reached the Black Sea. This has happened three attempts in a row now, and it kind of reduces the rest of the game to watching your research tick by while you clean up the Caribbean which is about when I lose interest as all challenge has evaporated. I'm not sure if something isn't working as intended (or maybe ~is~ working as intended) or if I'm just really unlucky with France choosing to go full blitzkrieg. Does anyone have any input? By the way, thanks for the tip about the skins, CSM. Really adds a lot of flavor to the game.
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Feb 28, 2016 10:47
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France wins a lot in 1.7, I'm afraid. When is the war starting?
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Feb 28, 2016 10:51
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Kavak posted:France wins a lot in 1.7, I'm afraid. When is the war starting? It's been a few weeks since, but I want to say in 38/39. I'll load up an old save and check. Reference Timeline: I just annexed the AUS in Feb '38 in the middle of the Spanish war. At some point between here and August Germany declares war on Russia for some silly reason. Canada DoWs me on June 7 France DoWs Germany afterwards, sometime in late June or July (no save for this specific event) Britain joins France in the war versus Germany on Aug 1 '38. So it looks like poo poo hit the fan in July '38. The next save I have is from March 18 '39, and the only hostile countries left in mainland Europe are bits of IG Romania and Serbia - shortly after I finished the occupation of Canada. Unrelated question: How does one go about changing your country's land doctrine branch? TehKeen fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Feb 28, 2016 |
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Feb 28, 2016 10:54
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You have to abandon all doctrines back to the Firepower/Mobility/etc Focus. That'll unlock the others but obviously set you back. In this game I edited Germanys dissent from thirty to zero and gave them all of those allies in the Prague Pact, otherwise the war would probably be over by now.
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Feb 28, 2016 21:18
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TehKeen posted:It's been a few weeks since, but I want to say in 38/39. I'll load up an old save and check. That's about a year early, and Germany attacking Russia probably weakened it. There's also the dissent issue, probably the biggest thing dragging Germany down this version.
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Feb 28, 2016 21:38
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Chief Savage Man posted:You have to abandon all doctrines back to the Firepower/Mobility/etc Focus. That'll unlock the others but obviously set you back. That's the thing though - I literally don't know where the button to press for this is.  Is it somewhere in the land doctrine tech tree?Thanks for the info, by the way.
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TehKeen posted:That's the thing though - I literally don't know where the button to press is for this. Click the last researched doctrine, there should be an "Abandon Doctrine" button that highlights.
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