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The Veterans' Committee ballot was announced for the year so here's a Baseball Hall of Fame thread! This is the "Golden Era" which means guys who were active between 1947 and 1972. VC Ballot: Dick Allen, Ken Boyer, Gil Hodges, Bob Howsam, Jim Kaat, Minnie Minoso, Tony Oliva, Billy Pierce, Luis Tiant and Maury Wills. VC Committee: Jim Bunning, Rod Carew, Pat Gillick, Ferguson Jenkins, Al Kaline, Joe Morgan, Ozzie Smith, Don Sutton, Jim Frey, David Glass, Roland Hemond, Bob Watson, Steve Hirdt, Dick Kaegel, Phil Pepe, and Tracy Ringolsby. The announcement that none of these guys got in will be made at the end of the Winter Meetings in December. BBWAA vote tracker for the regular Hall of Fame bit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aqc4QTMoPrdtdDQxaDYzd1lLOGpOdUdrcnNNNWNXa2c&usp=sharing&authkey=CPyuwqIJ leokitty fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Quick and Dirty Veterans Committee Info!! For a long time the Veterans Committee was run by Frankie Frisch and he liked to push for his buddies to get in, and lo some terrible selections were made. Since that time there have been a lot of major revisions to the committee with a complete overhaul in 2001. It's been tweaked several times since then but without that level of shakeup. Since 2010 the way selection for the ballot has worked is a bunch of BBWAA members on the historical committee come together and decide who's on it for the defined era whose turn has come up. These eras are: Pre-Integration Era (1871–1946) Golden Era (1947–1972) Expansion Era (1973 and later) The Historical Overview Committee that came up with this year's ballot is Dave Van Dyck (Chicago Tribune), Bob Elliott (Toronto Sun), Rick Hummel (St. Louis Post-Dispatch), Hirdt (Elias Sports Bureau), Bill Madden (New York Daily News), Ken Nigro (formerly Baltimore Sun), Jack O’Connell (BBWAA secretary/treasurer), Ringolsby (FSN Rocky Mountain), Glenn Schwarz (formerly San Francisco Chronicle), Claire Smith (ESPN), and Mark Whicker (Orange County Register). There is one single ballot that is voted on that includes umpires, executives, players, etc. To be elected through the VC folks on the ballot must receive 75% of the votes. leokitty fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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To be on the Baseball Hall of Fame ballot a player must have played 10 full years in MLB and be inactive for five years. Almost everyone who meets that criteria finds themselves on the ballot, it's kind of a "You did good, kid!" nod. The voting is done by members of the BBWAA who were once active members for five years in a row. They may not have covered baseball in 40 years but once they are eligible to vote they are always eligible. Dan LeBatard lost his hall vote for selling it to Deadspin, Jay Mariotti still has his even though he did a much worse thing with his vote than LeBatard (submitted a blank ballot for trolling purposes). Eligible voters can select up to 10 players on their ballot, which is why we have entered a clusterfuck zone that will not end for quite some time. To get into the Hall a player must receive 75% of the vote. Players used to stick around for 15 years, but this year the BBWAA made a (terrible) rule change that it is now 10 years. The reason this is terrible is that fucks over a lot of players on these doom ballots since the start of players from baseball's second renaissance have started becoming eligible. Combined with the 10 vote limit, dudes like Mike Mussina and Curt Schilling are probably screwed. Dudes past those first 10 still get the full 15, so we've got a few more Lee Smith hangs on the ballot years. leokitty fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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Oct 30, 2014 21:05
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This is the year an Astro gets in! I just know it!
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Oct 30, 2014 21:11
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Biggio is 99.999% to get in so yeah. Bagwell isn't going to get in this year though  leo: So if this is someone's 10th year it's his last chance, but if it's his 11th he gets 4 more shots? Intruder fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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Oct 30, 2014 21:28
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I guess Jim Kaat is Jamie Moyer's best chance of getting in eventually or something?
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Oct 30, 2014 21:55
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Intruder posted:leo: So if this is someone's 10th year it's his last chance, but if it's his 11th he gets 4 more shots? That's my understanding. Tim Raines will get 10 years instead of 15. I forgot about that until typing this right now and I'm all  again.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:02
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What time is the Bumgarner acceptance speech?
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Oct 30, 2014 22:23
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tadashi posted:I guess Jim Kaat is Jamie Moyer's best chance of getting in eventually or something?
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Oct 30, 2014 22:25
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I'm excited to once again get mad about something all of us here can unite about rather than dividing us.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:26
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leokitty posted:The Veterans' Committee ballot was announced for the year so here's a Baseball Hall of Fame thread! Luis Tiant had some loving incredible seasons and was a royal pain in the rear end to the Yankees according to my dad.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:28
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Guys who can't play 3B or 1B but hit massive dingers are the best. Let's go, Dick Allen.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:30
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ZenVulgarity posted:Luis Tiant had some loving incredible seasons and was a royal pain in the rear end to the Yankees according to my dad. Alan Trammell posted:Guys who can't play 3B or 1B but hit massive dingers are the best. Let's go, Dick Allen.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:32
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Looking at player salaries pre-90s makes me really loving mad.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:35
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Minnie Minoso is cool too
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Oct 30, 2014 22:35
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Jamie Moyer's career closely resembles Jack Morris if you look at them. If you don't think Morris was a HoFer well I have bad news about Moyer...
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Oct 30, 2014 23:17
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I was going to ask about Tiant. Looking at the numbers they seem good, but I don't know much about comparable players of his era.
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Oct 30, 2014 23:23
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edit: Read more about it and only got more confused and less interested. Kundus fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 00:21
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Kundus posted:Tangential, but how did David Glass get on the VC committee? The VC committee has representatives from living members of the Hall, BBWAA members and high level baseball executives which includes owners.
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Oct 31, 2014 01:07
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leokitty posted:The VC committee has representatives from living members of the Hall, BBWAA members and high level baseball executives which includes owners. Thanks! I saw the writer/player stuff but not the executive things. Figured it would be that simple but never found where it's spelled out. Is this thread just for 2015 or should Bochy/Bumgarner go here too? Kundus fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 01:16
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I'm excited to transfer the 'undeserving guy that I think should get in because I like him' title to Jim Kaat this year. JIM KAAT
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Oct 31, 2014 01:56
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Kundus posted:Is this thread just for 2015 or should Bochy/Bumgarner go here too? Bochy has 3 rings now and as far as managers go that makes him pretty much a lock eventually. Bumgarner is 25 and has only 4 full seasons under his belt so talking about his HoF case is premature and pointless.
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Oct 31, 2014 02:02
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Just elect Edgar you dumb jerkheads  
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Oct 31, 2014 02:03
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I sure hope Minnie Minoso makes it this year.
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Oct 31, 2014 02:04
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Benne posted:Just elect Edgar you dumb jerkheads 
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Oct 31, 2014 02:05
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We should do a SAS vote on who we think will get in this year. Do we finally get a couple of the repeat candidates in (Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza ...?), or will it just be the first-ballot guys like Johnson and Pedro (maybe Smoltz)?
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Oct 31, 2014 02:09
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My conservative guess is Smoltz, Big Unit, Pedro, Biggio
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Oct 31, 2014 02:11
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Harlock posted:I was going to ask about Tiant. Looking at the numbers they seem good, but I don't know much about comparable players of his era. Tiant is definitely hurt by being a pitcher in that era and not really having a sustained peak. That being said, he has a really good case like the majority of this group. Allen and Minoso are a step above the pack, and it will really suck when neither get voted in. Especially the bullshit reasons against Allen.
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Oct 31, 2014 02:19
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I feel like Minnie Minoso was Enos Slaughter but a pioneer instead of a scumbag.
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Oct 31, 2014 03:01
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Minnie is the best.
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Oct 31, 2014 04:15
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bawfuls posted:We should do a SAS vote on who we think will get in this year. You're not suggesting we do our own ballots of who we would like to see elected like we've done previously, but rather who we think the writers will actually deign to knight into the Holy Order of the Baseball Empire?
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Oct 31, 2014 05:07
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I feel so free not having to deal with Jack Morris on the ballot this year* *I know
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Oct 31, 2014 05:09
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ChampRamp posted:I feel so free not having to deal with Jack Morris on the ballot this year* Don't worry, he'll be on the VC ballot in a few years.
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Oct 31, 2014 05:12
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Biggio was only two votes shy last year, he's getting in
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Oct 31, 2014 05:14
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leokitty posted:Don't worry, he'll be on the VC ballot in a few years. What do you think the asterisk was for?
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Oct 31, 2014 05:18
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leokitty posted:Combined with the 10 vote limit, dudes like Mike Mussina and Curt Schilling are probably screwed. gently caress Schilling, but goddammit why does the universe hate Mussina so much?
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Oct 31, 2014 05:25
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Benne posted:Just elect Edgar you dumb jerkheads  edit - did the hf break?
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Oct 31, 2014 05:28
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kensei posted:
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Oct 31, 2014 05:32
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Intruder posted:
Oh it used to be black, now it is blue and I couldn't see it. Thanks! I still think Edgar should be in, the drat award is named after him!
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I'm fine with Edgar being in but if you're just taking the 10 most deserving guys from this ballot I don't see how you vote for him.
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