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Don Mattingly: years active (14) < years on the ballot (15) A rare "feat", and won't happen again under current eligibility and voting rules. I'd list others who went through the same thing, but I can't find a list of "stayed on the ballot for 15 years, didn't get in." The only other person who came to mind where this happened as well was Thurman Munson . And despite the usual talk of a last year bump I doubt it applies to a guy who got 8%. So Mattingly could also end up under 5% and therefore doubleplus kicked off the ballot. bawfuls posted:Bochy has 3 rings now and as far as managers go that makes him pretty much a lock eventually. yeah totally agreed
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 06:06 |
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Badfinger posted:You're not suggesting we do our own ballots of who we would like to see elected like we've done previously, but rather who we think the writers will actually deign to knight into the Holy Order of the Baseball Empire?
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 06:13 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:My conservative guess is Smoltz, Big Unit, Pedro, Biggio Pedro should be a no doubt Hall of Famer but I don't know if he gets in first ballot. His entire case rests on adjusting his numbers for the era he pitched in which a big chunk of voters rarely do. He'd be one of the worst Hall of Fame starters in terms of wins and innings pitched, and even his ERA is only middle of the pack. MLB.com took a poll of 40 writers in July and Pedro only got 75% support. He should be the first guy you vote for on this ballot after Bonds and Clemens but if he does get in it's going to be by a slim margin.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 07:37 |
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regfairfield posted:He'd be one of the worst Hall of Fame starters in terms of wins and innings pitched, and even his ERA is only middle of the pack. Pitchers with a lower career ERA than Pedro Martinez (min. 2500 IP, 1920-present): Whitey Ford Jim Palmer Tom Seaver Juan Marichal Bob Gibson
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 08:15 |
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Poonerman posted:Pitchers with a lower career ERA than Pedro Martinez (min. 2500 IP, 1920-present): Yeah, my fault on that one I play indexed that without looking at context.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 08:22 |
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regfairfield posted:Pedro should be a no doubt Hall of Famer but I don't know if he gets in first ballot. His entire case rests on adjusting his numbers for the era he pitched in which a big chunk of voters rarely do. He'd be one of the worst Hall of Fame starters in terms of wins and innings pitched, and even his ERA is only middle of the pack. MLB.com took a poll of 40 writers in July and Pedro only got 75% support. He should be the first guy you vote for on this ballot after Bonds and Clemens but if he does get in it's going to be by a slim margin. John Smoltz got a higher percentage than Pedro. I'm assuming this is first ballot bullshit or something.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 13:48 |
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40 writers out of the 600+ that vote isn't the best barometer.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 14:27 |
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tadashi posted:John Smoltz got a higher percentage than Pedro. I'm assuming this is first ballot bullshit or something. Smoltz is also first ballot. He's getting the bump for being in the Maddux/Glavine trio.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 14:33 |
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gently caress Pedro but yes he should get in
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 15:36 |
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You people are nuts Pedro is getting in no problem.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 16:03 |
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regfairfield posted:Pedro should be a no doubt Hall of Famer but I don't know if he gets in first ballot. His entire case rests on adjusting his numbers for the era he pitched in which a big chunk of voters rarely do. He'd be one of the worst Hall of Fame starters in terms of wins and innings pitched, and even his ERA is only middle of the pack. MLB.com took a poll of 40 writers in July and Pedro only got 75% support. He should be the first guy you vote for on this ballot after Bonds and Clemens but if he does get in it's going to be by a slim margin. Pedro's case is that he had an insane peak. What era adjustment would they need to understand that an ERA under 2 is great?
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 16:04 |
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I'm looking forward to the "Blah blah 2003 ALCS blah blah Schilling proved what a big game pitcher looks like in 2004 blah blah" articles
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 16:21 |
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Intruder posted:I'm looking forward to the "Blah blah 2003 ALCS blah blah Schilling proved what a big game pitcher looks like in 2004 blah blah" articles Pedro will cruise in easily. He had enough famous great post season moments that he won't get a choker tag. Grady Little gets all the heat for 03. Schilling is the best postseason pitcher of all time and should be in too.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 16:42 |
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MourningView posted:Pedro will cruise in easily. He had enough famous great post season moments that he won't get a choker tag. Grady Little gets all the heat for 03. Only if Mussina gets in.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 17:43 |
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If Pedro doesn't get in first ballot it's going to be because he's, if not quite in the Piazza/Bagwell class where most are assuming PED use, probably at least in the Biggio class where it's a thought to many. But I'd also be stunned if he didn't.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 17:44 |
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I wonder if Boyer will get solid support since the people who played with or against him might respect his glove more than people who didn't (even though that's a thing he's known for but I never put it past writers to get the narrative wrong).
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 17:52 |
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MourningView posted:Schilling is the best postseason pitcher of all time Mo Rivera
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 18:42 |
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Timby posted:Mo Rivera ahem
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 18:45 |
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seiferguy posted:ahem 141 IP and a .7 ERA
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 19:37 |
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leokitty posted:Pedro's case is that he had an insane peak. What era adjustment would they need to understand that an ERA under 2 is great? Maybe I got scared by that poll more than I should have.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 19:52 |
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ZenVulgarity posted:141 IP and a .7 ERA True, but the ERA would have been higher if he hadn't made the throwing error that directly led to that play. Very unclutch
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 19:54 |
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jeffersonlives posted:If Pedro doesn't get in first ballot it's going to be because he's, if not quite in the Piazza/Bagwell class where most are assuming PED use, probably at least in the Biggio class where it's a thought to many. But I'd also be stunned if he didn't. At least with Biggio they have the dumb excuse that "he had big muscles"
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 20:13 |
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bawfuls posted:People are seriously going to suggest Pedro was on PED's? Anyone who was closely affiliated with Angel Presinal is going to be under a microscope for steroid usage. This will come up for Cano and Pujols too.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 20:22 |
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bawfuls posted:People are seriously going to suggest Pedro was on PED's?
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 20:30 |
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Crazy Ted posted:People have also suggested Bagwell was on PED's with pretty much no shred of proof. There's an entire group of people now that is literally running on the assumption that everyone who played baseball from about 1990 to 2010 is tainted. It's pretty disgusting tbh. I can't wait for that same group to contort themselves in knots trying to explain how Papi should get in.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 23:10 |
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Bregor posted:It's pretty disgusting tbh. I can't wait for that same group to contort themselves in knots trying to explain how Papi should get in. You're going to be real disappointed buddy. There will be no contortion necessary.
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# ? Oct 31, 2014 23:44 |
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I demand that LaVelle Neil write about how Pedro's HOF case is hurt by his lack of MVPs. "If he's so great then why didn't the writers at the time agree? History has spoken." Kundus fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Kundus posted:I demand that LaVelle Neil write about how Pedro's HOF case is hurt by his lack of MVPs. What other pitcher did he do that for?
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 01:23 |
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Kundus posted:"If he's so great then why didn't the writers at the time agree? History has spoken." Nolan Ryan doesn't belong in the Hall.
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 01:32 |
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No one is leaving Pedro off the ballot for merit based reasons
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 01:33 |
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ZenVulgarity posted:Only if Mussina gets in. Yes Mussina should also be in the hall of fame.
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 01:50 |
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Crazy Ted posted:People have also suggested Bagwell was on PED's with pretty much no shred of proof. There's an entire group of people now that is literally running on the assumption that everyone who played baseball from about 1990 to 2010 is tainted. Meanwhile a lot of these same people vote for Jack Morris because he was a ~dominant pitcher in the heart of the steroid era~. At least that's the justification I remember some guy using for voting for Morris but not Maddux.
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 01:58 |
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Vlad Antlerkov posted:Meanwhile a lot of these same people vote for Jack Morris because he was a ~dominant pitcher in the heart of the steroid era~.
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 02:00 |
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Vlad Antlerkov posted:Meanwhile a lot of these same people vote for Jack Morris because he was a ~dominant pitcher in the heart of the steroid era~. 1) More wins than any other pitcher in the 1980's 2) Game Seven of the 1991 World Series They ignored a bunch of poo poo that easily argued against his inclusion in the Hall of Fame, like a career ERA that was barely below league average.
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 02:00 |
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MourningView posted:What other pitcher did he do that for? Hm, I want to say he supported Verlander in 2011 and people went hypocrite! in response maybe? The best was when he wrote a Trout > Cabrera article during The Great 2012 Hysteria, then the awards voting got released and turned out he voted for Miggy. Oh and then he was BBWAA president in 2014. Baseball. Groucho Marxist posted:No one is leaving Pedro off the ballot for merit based reasons It's The Hall of Fame, not The Hall o-
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 04:04 |
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I feel like Delgado is going to be the latest ONE AND DONE victim and giving his career a look that just feels very wrong. I don't know if he's a Hall of Famer or not but man he had some good numbers.
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 04:51 |
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Carlos will always have a place in the hall of my main dinger mashing cool dudes so there's that at least.
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 04:58 |
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Crude comps inbound. Delgado is ~David Ortiz without the postseason and with a full career of bad defense, or ~Will Clark with dingers instead of passable defense. There are worse first basemen in already. Worse first basemen stuck on the ballot for a while (though The Thrill was 1 and done). A great, non-HOF player and on a crowded ballot. On the other hand, Carlos Del gahht it
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 05:28 |
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Vote for Edgar, Moyer, and Rose :mikedrop:
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# ? Nov 1, 2014 05:29 |
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Jamie Moyer will be 55 years old when he is first eligible for Hall of Fame voting. Adam Eaton made the ballot this year, at age 36. Ice To Meet You fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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