2015 Baseball Hall of Fame Info and Bitchfest

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oldfan: Jul 22, 2007; "Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

If Pedro doesn't get in first ballot it's going to be because he's, if not quite in the Piazza/Bagwell class where most are assuming PED use, probably at least in the Biggio class where it's a thought to many. But I'd also be stunned if he didn't.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2014 17:44

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 04:39

oldfan: Jul 22, 2007; "Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

bawfuls posted:

People are seriously going to suggest Pedro was on PED's?

At least with Biggio they have the dumb excuse that "he had big muscles"

Anyone who was closely affiliated with Angel Presinal is going to be under a microscope for steroid usage. This will come up for Cano and Pujols too.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2014 20:22

oldfan: Jul 22, 2007; "Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

I'd very very very strongly suspect Diamondbacks - 4 of his 5 Cy Youngs and a World Series MVP.

# ¿ Nov 1, 2014 06:05

oldfan: Jul 22, 2007; "Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Edgar might not even have the "best DH ever (of the seven career DHs in MLB history)" for much longer. Ortiz is closing in on or has already passed Edgar in most of the important stats outside of a handful of rates.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2014 02:15

oldfan: Jul 22, 2007; "Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Everblight posted:

Other than Griffey, who's getting added next year to steal votes from Piazza and Raines?

EDIT: Looks like it's Hoffman and then a STEEEEEEP drop-off to Jason Kendall. The pitching candidates next year look dire

2017 looks fun, though: Manny and Vlad are going in, and Jorge Posada will sail in while Trammell and Raines fall off the ballot because YANKEES

Yankees candidates have done inexplicably poorly in the BBWAA voting for a long time.

Mike Mussina is the best eligible pitcher not in the Hall who doesn't have a black mark against his name, and can't find any support. Graig Nettles absolutely should be in and got punted off the ballot in four years. Willie Randolph and Thurman Munson are close and better than a lot of guys who are in at their positions. Randolph was a one ballot and out guy and Munson only barely hung on for years. Bernie Williams isn't far below that and is one of the most celebrated players of that dynasty, and lasted two ballots. Don Mattingly, while he shouldn't go in, is exactly the kind of marginal choice the writers sometimes fall in love with, and he's hung around the ballot but never been a serious candidate unlike Jim Rice et al. I suspect I could think of a few more.

Meanwhile, the writers have put in all of two guys as Yankees in the last forty years, neither of whom are career Yankees by any stretch: Reggie Jackson, who played five seasons with the Yankees in a 21 year career, and Rich Gossage, who played six seasons plus a couple of weeks with the Yankees in a 21 year career.

I would be surprised if Posada stayed on the ballot for very long. And the funny thing is that he's actually a guy who should get a nice solid review, and would have gotten in on merit in previous eras, but the writers have been blasting marginal candidates off the ballot remorselessly for a long while now. Except John Smoltz for whatever reason.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2015 00:37

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