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Wow its like Roland barthes never happened. I heard that sopranos was conceived as a two-serieser but due to its success chase decded to pad it out for another four, not as good seasons which is fair enough I suppose. e. For content I think £150 per household is excellent value for money for radio 3 and bbc4
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EvilGenius posted:There's also a place for Dad's Army. His name is Dave. I'm not sure as many of these people as you think pay license fees. I certainly don't. It's far easier to just watch what I want when I want by linking my computer to the TV and streaming it (and it's completely legal). e: and realistically, they're never going to notice if you do decide to occasionally use iplayer's live function.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:38
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Sorry you idolise sociopaths and violent criminals I guess? It's the problem of the antihero, same was true in Breaking Bad (and there were no nipples or swearing in that at all), the writers were uncomfortable with their antihero being loved (in Walter White's case they even had him poison one child and dissolve another in acid, and he was still loved by the fans). The creator wanted the fans to hate Walt, for the villain he was, but they had spent so much time early on making him the underdog that it was probably too much to ask for. It's almost as if subverting the "protagonist as hero" standard is difficult to pull off in episodic format TV. In Britain a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, corrupt, violent, drunk, unpleasant police officer becomes the fan favourite and goes on to have a spin off show (it's happened twice, Gene Hunt and DI Burnside).
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Nov 1, 2014 18:41
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Let's talk about obscure british shows that demonstrate the unsung quality of British broadcasting. I will nominate The Cops for achieving the remarkable feat of simultaneously channeling the sentiment behind ACAB and also the essence of Night Jack. It were right good. And also very political, like, and therefore completely on topic ITT.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:42
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LemonDrizzle posted:Let's talk about obscure british shows that demonstrate the unsung quality of British broadcasting. I will nominate The Cops for achieving the remarkable feat of simultaneously channeling the sentiment behind ACAB and also the essence of Night Jack. Does "Darkplace" count as obscure? Whatever, watch "Garth Merengi's Darkplace".
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Nov 1, 2014 18:44
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm not sure as many of these people as you think pay license fees. I certainly don't. It's far easier to just watch what I want when I want by linking my computer to the TV and streaming it (and it's completely legal). Why doesn't everyone do this, then we can all have the BBC for free! Yeah!
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HortonNash posted:Why doesn't everyone do this, then we can all have the BBC for free! Yeah! I used to agree, but the way the BBC has acted with regards Scottish politics recently I'm not giving them a penny and if that leads to them imploding I won't lose a wink of sleep over it.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:47
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LemonDrizzle posted:Let's talk about obscure british shows that demonstrate the unsung quality of British broadcasting. I will nominate The Cops for achieving the remarkable feat of simultaneously channeling the sentiment behind ACAB and also the essence of Night Jack. The most depressing thing about The Cops - apart from it not lasting long enough - is that all the cast who are still known today are best known for Coronation Street.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:49
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ThomasPaine posted:I used to agree, but the way the BBC has acted with regards Scottish politics recently I'm not giving them a penny and if that leads to them imploding I won't lose a wink of sleep over it. I'm sure you'll enjoy the future McMurdoch broadcasting corporation then.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:50
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BBC Documentaries and Drama on TV and lots of great Radio content shouldn't be lost just because BBC News doesn't reflect your viewpoint.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:51
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HortonNash posted:It's the problem of the antihero, same was true in Breaking Bad (and there were no nipples or swearing in that at all), the writers were uncomfortable with their antihero being loved (in Walter White's case they even had him poison one child and dissolve another in acid, and he was still loved by the fans). The creator wanted the fans to hate Walt, for the villain he was, but they had spent so much time early on making him the underdog that it was probably too much to ask for. It's almost as if subverting the "protagonist as hero" standard is difficult to pull off in episodic format TV. Men like fast cars, women with big boobies, and they don't want the Euro. And that's all there is to it.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:52
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ThomasPaine posted:I used to agree, but the way the BBC has acted with regards Scottish politics recently I'm not giving them a penny and if that leads to them imploding I won't lose a wink of sleep over it. That argument only works if you don't watch or listen to the BBC as well as not paying. I boycott Nestle because they kill babies, that doesn't mean I get to nick Kitkats if I fancy one.
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I'd have no problem paying the license fee if broadcasting was fully devolved, but it isn't so I wont.
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keep punching joe posted:I'd have no problem paying the license fee if broadcasting was fully devolved, but it isn't so I wont. So you don't watch or listen to the BBC right?
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Nov 1, 2014 18:57
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keep punching joe posted:I'd have no problem paying the license fee if broadcasting was fully devolved, but it isn't so I wont. How would that work then? Lots of community access TV stations making programming for £3.59 per programme but in your local accent and on your street? Have you considered voting Tory, they tried to set up that exact thing (and get the BBC to pay for it)?
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Nov 1, 2014 19:01
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ReV VAdAUL posted:BBC Documentaries and Drama on TV and lots of great Radio content shouldn't be lost just because BBC News doesn't reflect your viewpoint. Less that, more that they abjectly fail to be as impartial as they pretend to be; they're institutionally reactionary, set up to defend the status quo, and quite possible corrupt. I think their non-political output is unsurpassed, but the problem is it's wedded to a heavily biased and flawed organisation that really shows where it's asked to report on more contentious issues (especially those that threaten it). I don't have an answer as to how we could maintain the good aspects of the institution while doing away with the bad though. Maybe have seperate news/education/entertainment divisions? I really don't know. I do know something about it has to change before I'll be comfortable funding it though. hookerbot 5000 posted:That argument only works if you don't watch or listen to the BBC as well as not paying. It wouldn't necessarily be inconsistent to do this tbh ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 19:03
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Yes it WOuLD you awful cheapskate
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ReV VAdAUL posted:So you don't watch or listen to the BBC right? No I don't as a matter of fact, in fact I probably only watch about one or two hours of TV a week and it will generally be a US serial drama. HortonNash posted:How would that work then? It would work by license payers in Scotland paying money directly to a Scottish state broadcaster, and buying in additional shows they may want from the BBC... or anywhere else for that matter. If Denmark can produce critically acclaimed serial dramas then Scotland certainly loving can.
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Nov 1, 2014 19:12
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Burqa King posted:Yes it WOuLD you awful cheapskate Why? The issue is you don't want to fund the bastards. So don't fund them. Stealing their stuff is kind of superfluous to that, and if you have a moral objection to their organisation it could be seen as, in a roundabout way, a further (minor) act that undermines them.
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Nov 1, 2014 19:13
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Sorry you idolise sociopaths and violent criminals I guess? Im glad that makes you feel special. Congrats m8.
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ThomasPaine posted:Less that, more that they abjectly fail to be as impartial as they pretend to be; they're institutionally reactionary, set up to defend the status quo, and quite possible corrupt. I think their non-political output is unsurpassed, but the problem is it's wedded to a heavily biased and flawed organisation that really shows where it's asked to report on more contentious issues (especially those that threaten it). No organisation is perfect and if at least of its output has value it is only reasonable to continue to fund it. Do you boycott films or TV made by subsidiaries of News Corporation or Time Warner? Both Corporations have Cable News arms that are considerably worse than BBC News yet also produce very entertaining media in other formats. If you do then fair enough but if you consume and find valuable the output of an organisation then it is unreasonable and unwise to refuse to pay for that output because a different part of the organisation is bad. DrWrestling69 posted:Im glad that makes you feel special. Congrats m8. ReV VAdAUL fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 19:18
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ReV VAdAUL posted:No organisation is perfect and if at least of its output has value it is only reasonable to continue to fund it. Do you boycott films or TV made by subsidiaries of News Corporation or Time Warner? Both Corporations have Cable News arms that are considerably worse than BBC News yet also produce very entertaining media in other formats. I see your point, but how do you encourage improvement where it is needed if you continue to implicitly endore an organisation as a whole?
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Nov 1, 2014 19:20
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DrWrestling69 posted:Im glad that makes you feel special. Congrats m8. Does read a bit like middle class sneering at their "lessers" doesn't it.
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ThomasPaine posted:I see your point, but how do you encourage improvement where it is needed if you continue to implicitly endore an organisation as a whole? Public criticism and calling to account. Right Wingers (who admittedly have a far larger platform than the left) have been very successful in dragging the BBC to the right by constantly complaining of BBC Liberal bias. African AIDS cum posted:Does read a bit like middle class sneering at their "lessers" doesn't it.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:No organisation is perfect and if at least of its output has value it is only reasonable to continue to fund it. Do you boycott films or TV made by subsidiaries of News Corporation or Time Warner? Both Corporations have Cable News arms that are considerably worse than BBC News yet also produce very entertaining media in other formats. Idk but i am glad it is working out for you.
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Nov 1, 2014 19:25
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HortonNash posted:In Britain a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, corrupt, violent, drunk, unpleasant police officer becomes the fan favourite and goes on to have a spin off show (it's happened twice, Gene Hunt and DI Burnside). Wait, did Hunt have a spin off, or was Life on Mars/Ashes a spin-off?
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keep punching joe posted:It would work by license payers in Scotland paying money directly to a Scottish state broadcaster, and buying in additional shows they may want from the BBC... or anywhere else for that matter. If Denmark can produce critically acclaimed serial dramas then Scotland certainly loving can. Ahh. BBC Scotland and BBC Alba not catering to your televisual needs? What do they lack? What pressing need would duplicating the bureaucracy of the BBC, but with a saltire and accent, do that BBC Scotland and BBC Alba can't? What about independent Scottish production houses, are they currently turning out your Scandinavian detective shows? Because if they're not, who are you going to get to make them? Shine/Sky? Is there a market in Scotland for Scandinavian detective shows?
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EvilGenius posted:Wait, did Hunt have a spin off, or was Life on Mars/Ashes a spin-off? Ashes was written as the Hunt spin off I believe.
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DrWrestling69 posted:Idk but i am glad it is working out for you. It is very strange you mistook a simple explanatory statement for a boast. Do you often feel people using big words are talking down to you or boasting about being smart?
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Seaside Loafer posted:Do you really think a potential employer is going to give a gently caress about the 1974 act when they have someone who doesnt have a record to choose from. They still show up on a CRB even if spent. One of the things we were told at the start medical school was not to let yourself get pressured into accepting a caution for this reason.
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HortonNash posted:Ahh. They lack funding BBC Scotland made huge cuts to current affairs broadcasting, including the sacking of a raft of senior journalists during the most important political event in the history of the country. They axed flagship TV news and popular radio shows to save cash, and then outsourced in journalists from London. In the end we received better coverage from Channel 4 news and the chronically poor STV (who at least made a decent fist of trying to undertake actual broadcast journalism). For one week 'London' decamped in Edinburgh to discover that all broadcasts had to be done from outside as BBC Scotland does not even have a studio in the capital city. quote:What pressing need would duplicating the bureaucracy of the BBC, but with a saltire and accent, do that BBC Scotland and BBC Alba can't? Why would we want to duplicate the BBC, is that the only option available to us? What is wrong with wanting a state broadcaster that reflects the needs of your own country and not the needs of the bigger country next door? quote:What about independent Scottish production houses, are they currently turning out your Scandinavian detective shows? Because if they're not, who are you going to get to make them? Shine/Sky? Is there a market in Scotland for Scandinavian detective shows? Eh there isn't really any, because once again money goes South and does not get invested in TV production in Scotland. The budget for public service broadcasting in Scotland is about £80m per year, yet over £300m is raised in TV licenses. We do not get value for money of any sort, and would be better off investing in our own broadcasting and just buying in MOTD and Top Gear or whatever the baking thing is that people on Facebook seem to like. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:One of the things we were told at the start medical school was not to let yourself get pressured into accepting a caution for this reason. Why is that something that would come up in a medical education specifically?
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LemonDrizzle posted:Why is that something that would come up in a medical education specifically? Presumably if you can't pass a CRB you can't practice medicine. Lot of interaction with children in that line of work.
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keep punching joe posted:They lack funding I'd love to hear more about what a Scottish state broadcaster would look like. And where better to discuss it, than in the 100% official Scottish thread? You can find it online here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3678161
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Burqa King posted:I'd love to hear more about what a Scottish state broadcaster would look like. And where better to discuss it, than in the 100% official Scottish thread? You can find it online here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3678161 0 effort gas and start again
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Ripper Street was loving awesome, and is returning to the BBC after a HoC-style run on Amazon Prime. On the whole if you're not interested in crime thrillers you're possibly a bit hosed when it comes to BBC output, but the stuff they are putting out now is pretty drat good. The Shadow Line/The Honourable Woman were great big-budget productions, Hinterland and Shetland take the focus out of the south, Death in Paradise and New Tricks are huge fun, and Doctor Who/Sherlock have huge international followings. Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes may have been best known for the everythingist figure of Gene Hunt, but they were also loving awesome in their own right. I possibly have an unhealthy interest in cop shows. :/
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So RT UK is launching apparently, and RT is already claiming they're being victimised by the establishment media. Anyway, does anyone know if RT UK goes through the same editing structures as RT, or whether the narrative creation gets handed off to someone else?
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Kegluneq posted:Ripper Street was loving awesome, and is returning to the BBC after a HoC-style run on Amazon Prime. Cop shows are easy because cops can have a new main mystery every episode/series, lots of side plots, encounter lots of different characters daily and the depth of human depravity/ingenuity means that there's always going to be horrific or clever crimes to investigate. Bit more tricky to write one about archaeologists..hence Bone Kickers! Probably why there are literally dozens of procedurals in the US at any one time too. Same goes for medical dramas.
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Coohoolin posted:So RT UK is launching apparently, and RT is already claiming they're being victimised by the establishment media. It's the same. Did you hear the dreadful interview their rep gave on Today last week? In general I think plurality of news is healthy, but I don't follow it myself.
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Burqa King posted:It's the same. Did you hear the dreadful interview their rep gave on Today last week? In general I think plurality of news is healthy, but I don't follow it myself. A plurality is good, a channel that makes poo poo up to serve a foreign government, not so much. Same goes for PressTV, who also complained of being victimised by the UK "establishment". The Indy had a good article about the opening of RTUK, and how one of their first reports about the UK was blatant lies (they claimed a epidemic of car thefts, despite car crime falling by a truly ridiculous amount over the last 10 years).
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