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Pissflaps posted:Yeah that makes more sense. Good job Cameron is just a big bullshitter. Though worrying that she seems to be speaking for the EU. I very much expect most of the EU is sick of our poo poo by this point
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mfcrocker posted:I very much expect most of the EU is sick of our poo poo by this point I very much expect that the impact and reach of 'our poo poo' is exaggerated by our media.
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Prince John posted:I visited Jersey earlier this year and apparently their government has a policy of maintaining a year of tax receipts in reserve, so as to shield the economy from any drops in tax take as a result of recession etc. Clearly the UK is a more complex beast, but it would have been very nice to have faced the 2008 recession with a small level of national debt, as some other fortunate countries did. Imagine how much quicker the recovery would have been in that case and how much human misery could have been avoided. Jersey is one giant tax racket Why do you think the level of national debt matters at all? Look at our borrowing rates:  Look at what happened in 2008! gently caress all, in fact yields dropped because the UK was seen as a safe haven, a safe place to put capital during the global crash. It got cheaper to borrow money to invest in protecting the economy. Look at what happened around, oh, May 2010... yields stopped dropping and started to climb as the Tories' austerity began. They did drop again, for a while - lucky, since borrowing keeps rising, because austerity doesn't help the economy. See when it starts to rise again, around Feb 2013? That's when our credit rating got downgraded, because ~the glorious markets~ started to get worried about our future prospects and our ability to repay those debts, because our recovery under the Tory/Lib Dem regime was so dire Imagine how much quicker the recovery would have been, and how much human misery could have been avoided, if we'd made use of that confidence and low borrowing rates to invest in the economy and the safety net instead of gutting it and slowly bleeding it out
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CoolCab posted:Ruh-roh. It's not a bluff - Merkel's spent over a year saying that Germany will back more or less whatever change the UK demands as long as it doesn't require treaty reform. Curbs on free movement of labour would absolutely require treaty reform because the free movement of goods, labour, and capital is fundamental to the common market, which is kind of the foundation stone of the EU.
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Pissflaps posted:I very much expect that the impact and reach of 'our poo poo' is exaggerated by our media. Not really, the people at the Commission I know are terrified of a UK referendum and you lot going back to Blighty.
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LemonDrizzle posted:It's not a bluff - Merkel's spent over a year saying that Germany will back more or less whatever change the UK demands as long as it doesn't require treaty reform. Curbs on free movement of labour would absolutely require treaty reform because the free movement of goods, labour, and capital is fundamental to the common market, which is kind of the foundation stone of the EU. Renegade called it, Cameron's bluff, not Merkels. baka kaba posted:Jersey is one giant tax racket The IMF understands this: half a point of cuts, straight up half a point off your GDP. No ifs, ands or buts. And it's difficult to find a more dyed in the wool conservative institution then the loving IMF. Expand till you're booming, then and only then cut. Cutting in a stalling economy turns it into a hard downturn, cutting in a downturn is economic suicide.
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Pissflaps posted:It's amusing that some of you find the idea of a drunk Muslim unbelievable but one who beheads people in the street or sets fire to poppy sellers isn't. You're saying that these violent acts are compatible with Islam. It's racist. Well, those violent acts are compatible with Islam and being drunk isn't because alcohol is forbidden. That's why I find it more believable that it was a drunk non-Muslim that did it.
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Junior G-man posted:Not really, the people at the Commission I know are terrified of a UK referendum and you lot going back to Blighty. Maybe Cameron will get his movement restrictions after all then.
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Nov 2, 2014 23:14
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Pissflaps posted:Maybe Cameron will get his movement restrictions after all then. My bet is that this is exactly what he will get; that way he won't need to hold the referendum (which his financial backers don't want) because he's already solved the issue of Romanian pedophiles slipping into the UK. The EC is terrified of losing countries; it would do way to much damage to the idea of the common European project. Never mind the convulsions in the market.
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Jedit posted:Well, those violent acts are compatible with Islam and being drunk isn't because alcohol is forbidden. I think we need some authorative advice here because I cant believe that setting fire to a poppy seller is islamically ok in a way that drinking alcohol is not. I expect it's just like Christianity: literally anything can be ok or forbidden, depending on which bit you pay attention to.
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Do citizens from EU countries have free movement to non EU EEA countries? (ie Norway).
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Nov 2, 2014 23:20
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Metrication posted:Do citizens from EU countries have free movement to non EU EEA countries? (ie Norway). Yes, though that is technically a separate arrangement that happens to line up almost exactly with EU freedom of movement (see also, Switzerland). So it's easier for them to wrangle some opt outs or changes, as that doesn't involve EU treaty change (see also, Switzerland).
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Metrication posted:Do citizens from EU countries have free movement to non EU EEA countries? (ie Norway). I think so, or there's some nominal border nonsense, I know for a fact that you can just drive into Switzerland without being stopped to check passports. Flying in might be a different scuttlebutt.
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This is why Farage wants a very quick referendum, because he knows that if he allowed pro-EU voices to organise, he'd lose the referendum worse than Clegg did with AV. I can't see any papers other than the Star and Express actually wanting to go through with withdrawal; I'd think even the Mail would begrudgingly back remaining in solely on economic reasons. An in-out referendum is a very bad idea for reformists anyway. Regardless of the result, we'd be unable to wield influence over Germany and France because "we already made our decision". Making treaties subject to a plebiscite, on the other hand, strengthens the British hand to push treaties our way.
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Pissflaps posted:I think we need some authorative advice here because I cant believe that setting fire to a poppy seller is islamically ok in a way that drinking alcohol is not. I think it's fair to be surprised if a Muslim extremist carried out an attack whilst drunk. Violence, on the other hand, can be freely enjoyed by members of all faiths (or even none!). Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Pasco posted:Yes, though that is technically a separate arrangement that happens to line up almost exactly with EU freedom of movement (see also, Switzerland). So if we left the European Union nothing would effectively change because we're still going to be part of the EEA I would assume?
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Kegluneq posted:Not drinking alcohol is pretty characteristic of Islamic communities in Britain. My wife has been to a lot of dry social events with her Muslim coworkers, from weddings to leaving parties. Certainly there are Muslims who do drink, but it's not completely normalised to the degree that teetotalism is. I'm not sure how authoritative your wife's social life is, unless it includes jihadist get togethers. I've not known any drunk Muslims either but nor do I know any that carry out poppy arson. I've got a feeling that beheadings are less normalised within the Islamic community than necking a few cans of special brew.
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Nov 2, 2014 23:56
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Metrication posted:So if we left the European Union nothing would effectively change because we're still going to be part of the EEA I would assume? I strongly doubt that EFTA would take us after a protracted mudslinging match.
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Seaside Loafer posted:If you have time could you explain 'strict liability offence' in moron It did eventually get overturned on appeal iirc, I can't find a link to the thing at the moment. e: Found it http://www.surreymirror.co.uk/Ex-soldier-faces-jail-handing-gun/story-12659234-detail/story.html Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Do you have a link to some info about that case I can't find it.
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Guavanaut posted:It means it's an offense no matter what your intention or level of culpability was. An example would be the guy who found a gun and some ammo in a plastic bag behind a wall near his house, and decided to hand it in to a police station before whoever owned it came back for it. He got the 5 year minimum sentence for illegal possession of a firearm, as the jury was instructed to ignore all intent (they could still have chosen to nullify, but juries are not informed of that right). This was a Hollyoaks episode, but I can't find the link at the moment either.
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Guavanaut posted:e: Found it http://www.surreymirror.co.uk/Ex-soldier-faces-jail-handing-gun/story-12659234-detail/story.html As is usually the case with 'the law is an rear end' stories like this, there's more to it: quote:Clarke had told the court he did not call the police when he found the item because he had suffered "harassment" from Surrey Police over a relationship he was having with a female detective. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/surrey/8421485.stm
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That's a pretty good magic trick - cops hate them!
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Jedit posted:Well, those violent acts are compatible with Islam and being drunk isn't because alcohol is forbidden. That's why I find it more believable that it was a drunk non-Muslim that did it. You need to start attending a different mosque.
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Nobody's asked this in a while, and I am in need. Who's cheap and not poo poo at giving me internets? Also, who's cheap but not a complete bastard when it comes to electricity/gas?
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Wolfsbane posted:Imagine if the government had some way of creating money instead of borrowing it. Wouldn't that be weird. We have been creating money on an unprecedented level - that's the government's policy of quantitative easing throughout the recession. The jury is still out on whether that's had any success to the best of my knowledge? The point is, we've been creating money and still borrow loads as well. It's not an either or proposition. I only picked Jersey because it was fresh in the mind - there are plenty of examples of 'proper' countries aiming to run surpluses where possible, because it's prudent financial policy. New Zealand. quote:NEW Zealand will become one of the first developed nations to return to a budget surplus since the 2008 financial crisis plunged the global economy into recession, the government said. Sweden quote:The first element is a rule requiring a budget surplus equal to 1 percent of GDP on average over the business cycle. On the face of it, that sounds very much like Chile’s structural balance rule. It would, in fact, produce a similar trajectory for the deficit and debt over the long run. However, the Swedish rule is more flexible than the Chilean version in two respects. For one thing, it allows more room for countercyclical policy, since the government can, if needed, run a structural deficit during a downturn provided it is offset by a correspondingly greater surplus during the next expansion. Also, under the Swedish rule, year-to-year budgeting is not as closely dependent on estimates of the output gap, a concept that is difficult to define and measure with precision. Canada quote:Canada's Conservative government looks set to comfortably balance its books in 2015 or even sooner, its latest budget showed on Tuesday, with cuts in spending on the public service more than offsetting a series of modest new expenditures. Germany quote:Data showed on Monday that Germany's overall budget surplus - grouping federal, state and local governments and the social security system - amounted to 16.1 billion euros (12.76 billion pounds) or 1.1 percent of GDP in the first half the year. I realise there's a good case to be made for Germany loosening the purse strings, but it illustrates that the Germans care about the budget surplus. Australia quote:With the Government winning the election with a mandate to fix the budget, a bout of fiscal austerity was inevitable. Against this backdrop and the fears of the last few weeks, the Budget is not as tough as feared. Many of the budget savings will only build over time. Norway quote:Norway's outgoing government unveiled a relatively tight 2014 budget as expected on Monday Even Norway, which is arguably a special case, is keeping a tight reign on spending in order to maintain its fiscal rules. The logic behind Sweden's fiscal rules particularly mirror the kind of system I would advocate. Trying to avoid a fiscal policy based on continual deficits is good financial management and plenty of other countries understand this. We're only making the next financial crisis worse by not building up a cushion now. Although Labour haven't announced a target for balancing the books (including investment spending - they've said they'll balance non-investment spending/receipts by 2020), let's be charitable and assume they will commit to doing so by the end of their second hypothetical parliament, i.e. 2025. That will mean the UK will have been running a continual deficit for almost a quarter of a century. It would be farcical. Prince John fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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sebzilla posted:Nobody's asked this in a while, and I am in need. Who's cheap and not poo poo at giving me internets? Also, who's cheap but not a complete bastard when it comes to electricity/gas? BT Infinity is actually very solid if you can get it, and I've never had a problem with support. For gas and electric, you're stuffed because they're all bastards. Just avoid Centrica as they're the worst.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not sure how authoritative your wife's social life is, unless it includes jihadist get togethers.
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sebzilla posted:Nobody's asked this in a while, and I am in need. Who's cheap and not poo poo at giving me internets? Also, who's cheap but not a complete bastard when it comes to electricity/gas? I've had nothing but good times with Plusnet fibre. It's exactly the same product & price as BT Infinity (because Plusnet are owned by BT) except with UK based call centres. Ecotricity are good for electric/gas if you're looking for a supplier that aren't total bastards, because they use their profits to build these  which annoys Nigel Fartrage and the Daily Mail.
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There are loads of muslims that drink just like there are loads of christians that break any number of the 10 commandments or people of any religion. Arguing the point seems a bit pointless until the guy is caught. In unrelated news. I seem to randomly get two different versions of the guardian website seemingly at random by clicking the same link? Can any one tell me how I get the non mobile version consistently?
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Hmm that's weird this is the link I'm clicking http://www.theguardian.com/uk
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Did anyone hear thought for the day just now? they want to keep students on in their deprived university towns even after they graduate to regenerate the north, and I think it's a fabulous idea.
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Jippa posted:Hmm that's weird this is the link I'm clicking Control F5 to clear your cache (on uh, IE Firefox Chrome, don't know about more exotic browsers).
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Seaside Loafer posted:If you have time could you explain 'strict liability offence' in moron The explanation you got was somewhat confusing, so here's a more basic explanation: http://ukcriminallawblog.com/2012/11/27/strict-liability/ posted:The rule
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Kegluneq posted:I'd be pretty loving surprised if an ISIS wannabe got himself hammered on cider before carrying out an ideological attack. A Muslim carrying out an ideological attack at all surprises me.
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I suppose I know the answer to this, but could somebody tell me what qualifies this guy to be a banker? Is it the same in other countries, that you just have the be the right sort to get the plum jobs, even if your accademic qualifications are unsuitable?
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Phoon posted:The solution to the deficit is not to cut spending but to raise taxes on the wealthy but this is never presented as an option for some reason. Eh, there are ways and means. An inflation economy coupled with diversifying away from finance and further into production, coupled with a higher minimum wage and better labour laws, actual corporate tax enforcement and renationalisation of key industries would also do the trick. It's a bastard getting money off the rich pricks so we have to go in rear end backwards and make their money worth less and force down the wealth gap that way. But oh noooooo inflation is bad for some reason!
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