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Just finished watching [most of] that Mark Blyth video on the history of austerity that got posted a while back. I was particularly interested to learn about this fucker correctly identifying progressive taxation as a sensible method of funding the state (even if only for the purposes of having it beat back the poor from the gates of the rich), and then immediately saying "wait poo poo can't have that, gotta maintain private accretions of wealth because of reasons". Blyth's prediction about the bursting of the Aussie housing bubble being tied to the cooling off of China's growth sounds like something to make a note of in my diary, if only to see if it actually falls out that way. sebzilla posted:This but Bristol I would like Bristol to not get ruined thanks.
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dadrips posted:Return all of Lothian to Northumbria imo I'd be alright with this
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Nov 30, 2014 22:58
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Geographically, Liverpool is in a nice central spot that would make it convenient as a central location of Government. It even has sea access for ferries to and from the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:00
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Westminster has failed us. But fear not for the invisible hand is here to guide us. Invisibly. Do NOT regulate.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:00
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This person had the right idea: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/19/save-united-kingdom-move-capital-glasgow
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Nov 30, 2014 23:01
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Spooky Hyena posted:Geographically, Liverpool is in a nice central spot that would make it convenient as a central location of Government. It even has sea access for ferries to and from the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland. Liverpool is a terrible suggestion. I nominate York.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:01
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ReV VAdAUL posted:I swear it won't be too long before some idiot is suggesting a return to city states or manorialism, each of which can start their own races to the bottom on tax. hey here's an idea how about we have no taxes at all but you pay the state for any services you wish it to provide So if I want health insurance, I pay the state some amount of money every year. If some toff wants to be able to rely on armed police to stop an angry mob sacking his home because he's a bourgie shitstain, he should pay a suitably large amount of his fortune to the state, proportionate to the degree of service being provided. Seems pretty fair!
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Nov 30, 2014 23:02
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the obvious answer is to go even further south to somewhere nice like portsmouth
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Nov 30, 2014 23:03
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Spooky Hyena posted:Geographically, Liverpool is in a nice central spot that would make it convenient as a central location of Government.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:03
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If you aren't earning enough money its always worth checking the civil service website
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Nov 30, 2014 23:04
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You could safely hide all the politicians in a new build, out of the way capital. It's all the rage among the colonials.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:05
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tooterfish posted:Have you ever loving seen a map of the UK? well it is kind of central if you include all of ireland in the uk 
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Nov 30, 2014 23:05
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Spooky Hyena posted:Geographically, Liverpool is in a nice central spot that would make it convenient as a central location of Government. It even has sea access for ferries to and from the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland. Apropos of nothing, my dad is fanatically racist against Liverpudlians for some reason. It's really confusing to me because all the scousers I've ever met have been excellent people of one kind or another, but I can't so much as mention the place in passing without hearing about how it's full of thieves and thugs or whatever (also how Hillsborough is 100% victim complex and they should just get over it already)
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Nov 30, 2014 23:06
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Oberleutnant posted:the obvious answer is to go even further south to somewhere nice like Port
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Nov 30, 2014 23:08
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Oberleutnant posted:the obvious answer is to go even further south to somewhere nice like portsmouth Oh god no, Portsmouth is actually rather lovely, and it isn't gentrified as gently caress. Yet.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:08
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tooterfish posted:Have you ever loving seen a map of the UK? I'm putting a lot of weight on it having water access, really. Makes sense to me with the UK being made of an island and part of another one. Oberleutnant posted:the obvious answer is to go even further south to somewhere nice like portsmouth Or even further south and have our government based in Brussels. Probably worth it for the reaction from UKIP alone.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:09
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Portsmouth is nice if you're not female and don't want to leave the house when its dark.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:10
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Ludicro posted:Portsmouth is actually rather lovely i live in portsmouth and object to this in the strongest possible terms
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Nov 30, 2014 23:11
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Spooky Hyena posted:I'm putting a lot of weight on it having water access, really. Makes sense to me with the UK being made of an island and part of another one. I don't think a regular ferry service from the Isle of Man is that important for a capital tbh. Especially as the Isle of Man isn't in the UK.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:11
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Ludicro posted:Oh god no, Portsmouth is actually rather lovely, and it isn't gentrified as gently caress. it's a loving shithole
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Nov 30, 2014 23:14
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The Monster Raving Looney party always wanted to put parliament on wheels and travel it around the country. I think this is clearly the most sensible solution.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:15
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To be a bit less harsh lets just say there is are nice parts of Portsmouth but if you go into the bad parts your assured murder will involve non-eludian geometry, batteries and crocodile clips.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:16
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It's hard to argue in favour of a place that Spike Milligan hated.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:18
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Spooky Hyena posted:Or even further south and have our government based in Brussels. Probably worth it for the reaction from UKIP alone. Brussels is actually north of Portsmouth
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Nov 30, 2014 23:19
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Paul.Power posted:It's hard to argue in favour of a place that Spike Milligan hated.  Renaissance Robot posted:Brussels is actually north of Portsmouth
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Nov 30, 2014 23:21
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Can't we just leave the government in London (they're welcome to em), and instead you know, develop the infrastructure and transport links of other parts of the country so they aren't such economic backwaters? Or am I being too sensible here?
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Nov 30, 2014 23:22
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Regarde Aduck posted:To be a bit less harsh lets just say there is are nice parts of Portsmouth but if you go into the bad parts your assured murder will involve non-eludian geometry, batteries and crocodile clips. where are these nice parts and don't you loving say Gunwharf Quays god help me. tooterfish posted:Can't we just leave the government in London (they're welcome to em), and instead you know, develop the infrastructure and transport links of other parts of the country so they aren't such economic backwaters? communism bitch fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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Nov 30, 2014 23:22
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Renaissance Robot posted:Brussels is actually north of Portsmouth I didn't know that, turns out you're right it is slightly more north than Portsmouth. 
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Nov 30, 2014 23:25
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Aromatic Stretch posted:http://www.pwc.co.uk/assets/pdf/ukmanufacturing-300309.pdf Well that's from 2006 and references UNCTAD data, which as far as I can tell refers to this set:  6th in 2006, 11th in 2012 
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Nov 30, 2014 23:34
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JFairfax posted:it's a loving shithole Seemed quite nice when I visited. Then again I live in Ashford and work in Sittingbourne so my perspective is probably skewed.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:41
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baka kaba posted:
Dang, BRIC are doing well for themselves. And Indonesia more than doubled its output in that span.
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Nov 30, 2014 23:45
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baka kaba posted:Well that's from 2006 and references UNCTAD data, which as far as I can tell refers to this set: This report doesn't seem to match your finding, at quick glance - link edit: This one puts the UK in 7th in 2012, notably ahead of France, India, Brazil and Russia. Also seems to be based on UNCTAD data. Aromatic Stretch fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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Nov 30, 2014 23:48
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Spooky Hyena posted:Geographically, Liverpool is in a nice central spot that would make it convenient as a central location of Government. It even has sea access for ferries to and from the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland. the isle of mann is of great relevance to the site of the UK government? a point that pissflaps made half an hour ago. got distracted by die hard 3 and left the reply tab open Cerv fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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Nov 30, 2014 23:54
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JFairfax posted:The Monster Raving Looney party always wanted to put parliament on wheels and travel it around the country. I think this is clearly the most sensible solution. The Democrabus? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lozEUcjWByo
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Nov 30, 2014 23:57
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Oberleutnant posted:where are these nice parts and don't you loving say Gunwharf Quays god help me. That was me but I did crib it from the ft tbf
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Ludicro posted:Oh god no, Portsmouth is actually rather lovely, and it isn't gentrified as gently caress. Have you ever actually ever been to another town? Portsmouth is the worst place on Earth with the exception of Slough, and for much the same reasons. Portsmouth only gets to be better than Slough because there's more ways out of it. Oberleutnant posted:where are these nice parts and don't you loving say Gunwharf Quays god help me. Portsmouth and Southampton are a bit of a special case because of the amount of people working for companies based there but with offices in London (BAE and all their tentacles, for a start, as well as Lockheed Martin and basically anyone involved in large-scale military procurement). Not many people are actually living in Portsmouth and commuting to London Monday-to-Friday.
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Cerv posted:the isle of mann is of great relevance to the site of the UK government? Not really, Northern Ireland is though. Must have missed the Pissflaps post, had him on ignore for a month or two now I think.
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Aromatic Stretch posted:This report doesn't seem to match your finding, at quick glance - link Yeah they're using constant prices (2005) instead of current prices, so they're comparing relative growth. On that note! 
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Dec 1, 2014 00:57
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I've always been told Meriden is the centre of England so just stick parliament there.
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The reason why everything is packed into London is the same reason there is less sprawl, namely the green belts and the highway revolts There's no bloody point chanting "we want infrastructure investment" and then when the investment turns out to come in the form of highways, drop everything and scream HOMES BEFORE ROADS. You're not going to get the homes. You were never going to get the homes. You're now just not going to get the roads, either.
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