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BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Radish posted:

The 2014-2016 plan will be passing the crazier poo poo just to force the veto so that in 2016 the "do nothing government" identity will be firmly Obama's.

They've pretty much determined that they can pass the "Sacrifice Newborns to Baal" bill of 2015 and it won't matter. Right wingers only watch their own media which won't report on it and the rest of the media will try and figure out how the stalemate is both party's fault when Obama stops it so moderates will just vote for the "other guys".

Or more likely they'll introduce legislation called the "Half a Million New Jobs Act", $1000 For Everyone!" and the "Support Our Troops Bill" but bury in those bills repealing Obamacare and outlawing abortion. Then when Obama vetos them they'll just say he's against creating jobs and doesn't support the troops.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 17:43

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:07

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

FlamingLiberal posted:

So Romney is already pushing the idea that the GOP will push to pass immigration reform. Of course as Fried Chicken already pointed out, that probably won't happen if the Tea Party is running the show on legislation.

No one doubts that immigration reform will be passed by the Republicans. After all Fox News has done a good job of making sure that even THEIR constituents want something done.

What remains to be seen is how high the wall will be.

(Actually, the real question is whether there's anything in the bill besides building a wall and increasing border patrol funding. We could see anything from "add a half mile of flaming tires just beyond the wall" (Tea Party) to "require self-deportation to wait in line back in Mexico, while increasing the number of H-1Bs by an order of magnitude" (everyone else).)

# ? Nov 2, 2014 17:49

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

Fried Chicken posted:

Right now Boehner can barely keep the tea party in line. He has enough moderates that when he can't keep them sane he can grovel to Pelosi and get enough Democratic votes to not sink the ship. Pelosi can let about 1/6th of her caucus vote their way and still deliver the votes to make up for any tea party tantrum. But that's about to change. Between GOP retirements, primary wins and losses, and dems losing in off years, the tea party caucus in the house is looking to grow by 28.

Bullshit, name them. I'm really curious to see where you've gotten this 28 number from because if anything I expect it see only minimal growth (if not outright shrinkage.)

# ? Nov 2, 2014 17:52

Edgar Allan Pwned: Apr 4, 2011; Quoth the Raven "I love the power glove. It's so bad..."

Hey so I don't know a ton about politics in America (yes I'm american

so excuse the ignorance. But I wanted to verify, that voting counts, but not if you vote third party? Can you vote third party for senate/house elections? And if republicans are the majority, it becomes harder to pass bills because of all of the tantrums?

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:20

Triskelli: Sep 27, 2011; I AM A SKELETON
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STANDARDS

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

Hey so I don't know a ton about politics in America (yes I'm american so excuse the ignorance. But I wanted to verify, that voting counts, but not if you vote third party? Can you vote third party for senate/house elections? And if republicans are the majority, it becomes harder to pass bills because of all of the tantrums?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:27

Good Citizen: Aug 12, 2008; trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

Hey so I don't know a ton about politics in America (yes I'm american so excuse the ignorance. But I wanted to verify, that voting counts, but not if you vote third party? Can you vote third party for senate/house elections? And if republicans are the majority, it becomes harder to pass bills because of all of the tantrums?

Third party voting really depends on how the race is breaking, but in general yeah, first past the post systems make third party votes mostly a protest action.

If Republicans are in the majority it becomes harder to pass good bills, the bad ones will flow

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:31

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

Hey so I don't know a ton about politics in America (yes I'm american so excuse the ignorance. But I wanted to verify, that voting counts, but not if you vote third party? Can you vote third party for senate/house elections? And if republicans are the majority, it becomes harder to pass bills because of all of the tantrums?

The real reason is because there's not an organized third party movement. First Past the Post systems make splitting the vote a thing sure, but the telling lack of basically any third party in any level of legislature even at the state level just tells me that the parties aren't seriously organized.

Which makes sense because modern American society deifies the federal level and the President in particular as the only people who can "get stuff done".

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:37

CannonFodder: Jan 26, 2001; Passion’s Wrench

Raskolnikov38 posted:

From a technical standpoint, the methods of electing of the two branches is why. Presidential elections are immune from gerrymandering so even if all the state's democrats are crammed into 2 of 10 electoral districts they can win the state's popular vote wrt presidential electoral votes. The republicans still get eight legislative seats from the however.

E: for senate seats the explanation is bad candidates

There are several states that push Dem for Presidential elections but have lots of GOP districts that want to move to Nebraska's method of choosing the Electoral College.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:53

Defenestration: Aug 10, 2006; "It wasn't my fault that my first unconscious thought turned out to be-"
"Jesus, kid, what?"
"That something smelled delicious!"; Grimey Drawer

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Oh god that sweet, sweet weapons-grade crazy, how I've missed you. Don't stop, I'm so close

well then

quote:

My Abortion Policy

Public discussion of abortion is nearly always framed solely from the perspective of the unwillingly pregnant woman, and the arguments for allowing abortion are very compelling from that perspective.

Indeed, I myself would be �pro-choice� if it were not for one fact: the act of abortion kills a living human being which science proves and the Bible confirms* is a separate person with his own unique DNA from the moment of conception.

quote:

My Position on Immigration
Rescue Obama�s �Human Shields� and Send Them Home with Escorts

There�s a long line at the Registry of Motor Vehicles. You�ve been patiently waiting your turn for what seems like hours, with a handful of paperwork you painstaking filled out before you got into line. Suddenly a new group of people come in and walk right to the front of the line. You think they�re going to cut in and you start to join the grumbling of the other people in line with you, when suddenly the RMV supervisor steps up to the counter and starts handing out free passes to all the people in the new group. They don�t even have to deal with the clerk. �No waiting. No paperwork. No scrutiny. No regulations. No consequences,� says the supervisor, �in fact, you can use these free passes to get every sort of social service benefits for you and your family at no cost to you.�
Still in line, fuming, you feel like a chump for following the rules.

Welcome to the Bush/Obama �immigration� scheme. You now know what the rest of the law-abiding citizens of the world feel like who want to emigrate legally to the United States.

I call it the Bush/Obama �scheme� but its really more of a conspiracy. The Democrat and Republican globalist �elites� want a borderless North American Union along the model of the European Union and they�re determined to have it, constitution be damned. Bush 41 started in with NAFTA, Bush 43 continued it with a law granting special �free pass� status to minors seeking asylum in the US, and Obama intends to complete the process with a tidal wave of minors recruited from Central America and shipped to the border on NAFTA�s Kansas City Southern de Mexico railway line (an American company). Kudos to Phyllis Schlafly for a great article on this.

It�s the old Marxist tactic of fomenting chaos to destabilize the system you want to convert to Socialist control. But even worse, this particular destabilization effort creates its chaos by using children as "political human shields"!

The political elites whom I believe have orchestrated this sudden wave of "refugees" to coincide with President Obama's adoption of Amnesty as his domestic priority are just like the Hamas terrorists who use innocents as human shields in Gaza. These children are pawns in an evil game designed to exploit our humanity and use it against us. It is the worst form of manipulation because it traps the good guys in a complex lose/lose moral dilemma. Do we protect ourselves from an insidious attack on our social order and its legal underpinnings by heartlessly turning foreign children away at the border? Or do we abandon the notion of national sovereignty and the rule of law out of genuine compassion for innocents being exploited as political pawns? To borrow the language of our Founders: �A pox on those who hatched this devilish plot!�

In my view we have no choice but to care for these children because they are innocent, but we must work diligently to return them and every illegal immigrant to their country of origin so they can get in line behind the law abiding applicants who are seeking entry properly.

Rather than rewarding those who gained (or gamed) their entry to the United States by cheating (I'm speaking now of the adults who have been here for a long time), it is time to ask the illegal immigrants to take all that they have learned about living in an orderly democratic society back to their homelands so they can recreate there what they have enjoyed here.
Frankly, it is these very adults who are most responsible for these children and other neighbors they left behind in the selfish pursuit of their own prosperity. It is they who set the bad example that these children are now following. Send them all back together -- the long-term illegals serving as escorts for the children -- along with whatever assistance they all need to get settled back in to their communities. (It won�t cost even a fraction of what we�ll pay if they stay here). And perhaps back there we can help them establish for their children a semblance of what our parents and grandparents created for us here in the U.S..

If any case, they can at any time and for any reason get back in line and seek entry legally.

http://www.livelyforgovernor.com/issues.htm

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:55

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

Hey so I don't know a ton about politics in America (yes I'm american so excuse the ignorance. But I wanted to verify, that voting counts, but not if you vote third party? Can you vote third party for senate/house elections? And if republicans are the majority, it becomes harder to pass bills because of all of the tantrums?

You can vote third party for any race that has third party candidates, as well as write in a vote for whoever you want (though whether the vote will count in the case of a write-in is a complicated matter.) Its been a long time since an organized third party has had much presence in government but individual Independent (or third party but the party basically consists of one candidate and people who work for him) candidates do compete and win from time to time. There's actually independents who are favored to win a senate seat in Kansas and a governorship in Alaska right now, as well as sitting "third party" senators in Vermont, Maine and sort-of Alaska.

The comparative lack of third party success in the United States is an outlier, if you look at it compared to other nations which use FPTP. Just off the top of my head the United Kingdom and Canada are both FPTP countries and both have long standing and politically effective third parties, not to mention 4th, 5th etc parties which represent even smaller groups yet still regularly send members to parliament. The difference, I assume, is that their political parties are able to exert much more effective control over their membership, requiring certain large consistencies to break off and form their own groups. For instance the Liberal Party of Canada and the Canadian New Democratic Party both have a membership consisting of people who would probably be Democrats in the US (though not quite always) but they heartily disagree with each other on a number of issues and can't be expected to block vote together on everything without betraying their constituents. Hence the need for separate parties. You might want a third party to represent your views but since candidates generally represent the views of wherever they are from the odds are that your 650,000 closest neighbors have a very different opinion on what they want.

If Republicans take the senate majority it will be harder to pass left-wing legislation as well as harder to get left-wing legislation out of committee and then use Republican votes against it as a weapon in the press. It will be easier, though still hard, to pass right wing legislation. The best comparison would probably be 06-08 when Bush would veto some of what the Democratic House and Senate voted on, allow some to pass and work with them to pass compromise legislation in other cases.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:57

Kalman: Jan 17, 2010

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

Hey so I don't know a ton about politics in America (yes I'm american so excuse the ignorance. But I wanted to verify, that voting counts, but not if you vote third party? Can you vote third party for senate/house elections? And if republicans are the majority, it becomes harder to pass bills because of all of the tantrums?

Third party votes count. There just aren't enough of them to win an election and therefore they don't matter.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:57

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Cliff Racer posted:

Bullshit, name them. I'm really curious to see where you've gotten this 28 number from because if anything I expect it see only minimal growth (if not outright shrinkage.)

Wow, yeah, let me go expend even a sliver of effort to bow to the whims of someone who is throwing a shrieking tantrum out of nowhere. gently caress off. Sullivan, Pierce, RCP, and Politico have all run pieces in the last 2 months about it, and Bouie Barrow, and Weigle have all commented on it. The estimate of the number of flipping seats growing from 25 (13 in RCP, but they trend conservative) in the early articles to 28 in the one I saw the other week (25 in RCP, but again, they want to undersell it). The general thesis in all of them has been that for however much the talking heads talk about which "side" is winning, the number of people with extreme views is increasing, with them pointing to Arkansas or Iowa for senate examples, and pointing to the 2013 Budget act as an example of how it is raising the stakes (You think I pulled that write up out of my rear end?). So try going to google instead of being lovely because reality doesn't conform to what you have told yourself will happen.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:07

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Kalman posted:

Third party votes count. There just aren't enough of them to win an election and therefore they don't matter.

There are, however, enough to lose an election and keep a seat Democrat.

Thank goodness for the Illinois Libertarian Party.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:10

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Yeah, as an American I was raised to believe that a third party vote is the same as a vote against the mainstream party that you would have otherwise voted for.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:12

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Here's my first draft of an OP for an election-day TV/IV thread. Candidates in bold are widely expected to win their elections. I erred on the side of leaving them unmarked if there was any chance that the other candidate might win. If you would like to write a short (2-3 sentence) description of one of these races, post it here and I'll add it to the OP. If you think I've made an error somewhere, please let me know that too.

WHERE DO I VOTE?

Type in your address at http://www.vote411.org and it will show you your local polling place(s).

WHO DO I VOTE FOR?

My advice is to pick the political party that most closely represents your beliefs and vote for their candidates. If you want to research them more, there are candidate responses to a simple questionaire availble at http://www.vote411.org which is sponsored by the League of Women Voters.

ELECTION DAY VOTER REGISTRATION
If you live in these states and have not yet registered to vote, you can still vote!

Arkansas
Colorado
Connecticut
Idaho
Illinois (Cook County only)
Iowa
Maine
Minnesota
Montana
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Washington, D.C.
Wisconsin
Wyoming

DO I NEED AN ID TO VOTE?

WHO WILL CONTROL THE SENATE?

[fill in with comparison chart on election day]

WHEN WILL WE KNOW WHO WILL CONTROL THE SENATE?

Perhaps not until next year! Control of the Senate is expected to come down to a margin of a couple of seats, so each race will matter. There are a few Senate races where the outcome may not be known on November 5. Louisiana has a "jungle election" where multiple candidates from the same party can run on the ballot. If no candidate achieves more than 50% of the vote, a runoff election will be held on December 6. This is widely expected to happen. In Georgia there is also a runoff clause, but fewer candidates on the ballot to split the vote. Still, it is considered possible that the runoff election is held because the race is so close. That runoff would be held on January 6, which is actually after the convening of the next Congress.

Alaska may also delay the results. Because of the geography of the state, many people cast mail-in ballots. These are not counted until a week after the eleciton. If there are more mail-in ballots than the difference between the candidates, and that election is expected to be very close, then neither will be able to declare a victory until the count occurs.

There are also two independent candidates running for Senate: Greg Orman in Kansas and Larry Pressler in South Dakota. While there was some excitement about these races in October, the Republican in each election appears to have regained the lead and is expected to win based on current polling. Still, should these candidates win their elections they (along with current independent Senator Angus King) would be in a possition to decide which party to caucus with (or neither!), potentially flipping control of the Senate. Each of those three is considered closer to the Democratic party than the Republicans in descending order from Pressler to Orman to King. The other Independent, Bernie Sanders, has said he will not caucus with the Republicans unless they adopt a platform of raising the minimum wage to over $15/hr and single payer healthcare (among other things), so we can assume that's a "no".

POLL CLOSING TIMES AND RACES TO WATCH
All times Eastern (UTC-5). A time zone abbreviation after a state name indicates that the polls close in counties within that state that are part of that time zone. The races to watch will be listed in the section where the polls have closed in all counties. Candidates whose names appear in bold are expected to win their race.

4:00 AM

Northern Marianas

5:00 AM

Guam

6:00 PM

Virgin Islands
Indiana (EST)
Kentucky (EST)

7:00 PM

Florida (EST)
Georgia
Kentucky (CST)
South Carolina
Vermont
Virginia

Georgia Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Nathan Deal (Republican) vs. State Senator Jason James Carter (Democratic)

Georgia Senate (open seat): businessman David Perdue (Republican) vs. nonprofit CEO Michelle Nunn (Democratic)

Kentucky Senate: Incumbent Senator Mitch McConnell (Republican) vs. Secretary of State Allison Lundergan Grimes (Democratic)

Vermont Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Peter Shumlin (Democratic) vs. businessman Scott Milne (Republican)

Virginia Senate: Incumbent Senator Mark Warner vs. former RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie (Republican)

7:30 PM

North Carolina
Ohio
West Virginia

North Carolina Senate: Incumbent Senator Kay Hagan (Democratic) vs. State House Speaker Thom Tillis (Republican)

Ohio Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor John Kasich (Republican) vs. Cuyahoga County Executive Ed FitzGerald (Democratic)

West Virginia Senate (open seat): US Representative Shelley Capito (Republican) vs. Secretary of State Natalie Tennant (Democratic)

8:00 PM

Alabama
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Florida (CST)
Illinois
Kansas (CST)
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan (EST)
Mississippi
Missouri
New Hampshire
New Jersey
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Dakota (CST)
Tennessee
Texas (CST)

Alabama Senate: Incumbent Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III (Republican) vs. nobody

Connecticut Gubernatorial: Incumber Governor Dan Malloy (Democratic) vs. former Ambassador to Ireland Tom Foley (Republican)

Delaware Senate: Incumbent Senator Chris Coons (Democratic) vs. businessman Kevin Wade (Republican)

District of Columbia Mayoral: Councilmember Muriel Bowser (Democratic) vs. Councilmember David Catania (Independent)

Florida Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Rick Scott (Republican) vs. former Governor Charlie Crist (Democratic, formerly Republican)

Illinois Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Pat Quinn (Democratic) vs. businessman Bruce Rauner (Republican)

Illinois Senate: Incumbent Senator Dick Durbin (Democratic) vs. State Senator Jim Oberweis (Republican)

Maine Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Paul LePage (Republican) vs. US Represenative Mike Michaud (Democratic) and businessman Eliot Cutler (Independent)

Maine Senate: Incumbent Senator Susan Collins (Republican) vs. ACLU Director Shenna Bellows (Democratic)

Maryland Gubernatorial (open seat): Lt. Governor Anthony Brown (Democratic) vs. businessman Larry Hogan (Republican)

Massachusetts Governor (open seat): Attorney General Martha Coakley (Democratic) vs. businessman Charlie Baker (Republican)

Massachusetts Senate: Incumbent Senator Ed Markey (Democratic) vs. Hopkinton Selectman Brian Herr (Republican)

Mississippi Senate: Incumbent Senator Thad Cochran (Republican) vs. former US Representative Travis Childers (Democratic)

New Hampshire Senate: Incumbent Senator Jean Shaheen (Democratic) vs. former Massachusetts Senator Scotty Bqhatevwr (Republican)

New Jersey Senate: Incumbent Senator Cory Booker (Democratic) vs. former Nixon campaign staffer Jeff Bell (Republican)

Oklahoma Senate (open seat): US Representative James Lankford (Republican) vs. State Senator Connie Johnson (Democratic)

Pennsylvania Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Tom Corbett (Republican) vs. businessman Tom Wolf (Democratic)

Rhode Island Gubernatorial (open seat): General Treasurer Gina Raimondo (Democratic) vs. Cranston Mayor Allan Fung (Republican)

Rhode Island Senate: Incumbent Senator Jack Reed (Democratic) vs. businessman Mark Zaccaria (Republican)

Tennessee Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Bill Halsam (Republican) vs. retired engineer Charlie Brown (Democratic)

Tennessee Senatorial: Incumbent Senator Lamar! Alexander (Republican) vs. lawyer Gordon Ball (Democratic)

8:30 PM

Arkansas

Arkansas Senate: Incumbent Senator Mark Pryor (Democratic) vs. US Representative Tom Cotton (Republican)

Arkansas Gubernatorial (open seat): former Secretary for Border and Transportation Security Asa Hutchinson (Republican) vs. former US Representative Mike Ross (Democratic)

9:00 PM

Arizona
Colorado
Kansas (MST)
Louisiana
Michigan (CST)
Minnesota
Nebraska
New Mexico
New York
Sout Dakota (MST)
Texas (MST)
Wisconsin
Wyoming

Arizona Gubernatorial (open seat): Treasurer Doug Ducey (Republican) vs. Board of Regents Chairman Fred DuVal (Democratic)

Colorado Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor John Hickenlooper (Democratic) vs. former US Representative Bob Beauprez (Republican)

Colorado Senate: Incumbent Senator Mark Udall (Democratic) vs. US Representative Cory Gardner (Republican)

Kansas Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Sam Brownback (Republican) vs. State Representative Paul Davis (Democratic)

Kansas Senate: Incumbent Senator Pat Roberts (Republican) vs. businessman Greg Orman (Independent)

Louisiana Senate: Incumbent Senator Mary Landrieu (Democratic) vs. US Representative Bill Cassidy (Republican) and six other candidates

Michigan Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Rick Snyder (Republican) vs. former US Representative Mark Schauer (Democratic)

Michigan Senate (open seat): US Represenative Gary Peters (Democratic) vs. former Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land (Republican)

Minnesota Senate: Incumbent Senator Al Franken (Democraticic Farmer Labor) vs. businessman Mike McFadden (Republican)

Minnesota Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Mark Dayton (Democratic Farmer Labor) vs. Hennepin County Commissioner Jeff Johnson (Republican)

Nebraska Senate (open seat): university president Ben Sasse (Republican) vs. lawyer Dave Domina (Democratic)

Nebraska Gubernatorial (open seat): businessman Pete Ricketts (Republican) vs. university regent Chuck Hassebrook (Democratic)

New Mexico Senate: Incumbent Senator Tom Udall (Democratic) vs. businessman Allen Weh (Republican)

New Mexico Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Susana Martinez (Republican) vs. Attorney General Gary King (Democratic)

New York Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Andrew Cuomo (Democratic?) vs. Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino (Republican)

South Dakota Senate (open seat): former Governor Mike Rounds (Republican) vs. former Senate staffer Rick Weiland (Democratic) vs. former Senator Larry Pressler (Independent formerly Republican)

South Dakota Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Dennis Daugaard (Republican) vs. State Representative Susan Wismer (Democratic)

Texas Gubernatorial (open seat): Attorney General Greg Abbott (Republican) vs. State Senator Wendy Davis (Democratic)

Texas Lt. Gubernatorial (open seat): State Senator Dan Patrick (Republican) vs. State Senator Leticia van de Putte (Democratic)

Texas Senate: Incumbent Senator John Cornyn (Republican) vs. doctor David Alameel (Democratic)

Wisconsin Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Scott Walker (Republican) vs. Madison Board of Education Member Mark Burke (Democratic)

Wyoming Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Matt Mead (Republican) vs. businessman Pete Gosar (Democratic)

Wyoming Senate: Incumbent Senator Mike Enzi (Republican) vs. Catholic priest Charlie Hardy (Democratic)

10:00 PM

Idaho (MST)
Iowa
Montana
Nevada
North Dakota (CST)
Oregon (MST)
Utah

Iowa Senate: US Representative Bruce Braley (Democratic) vs. State Senator Joni Ernst (Republican)

Iowa Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Terry Branstad (Republican) vs. State Senator Jack Hatch (Democratic)

Montana Senate (open seat): US Representative Steve Daines (Republican) vs. State Representative Amanda Curtis (Democratic)

Nevada Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Brian Sandoval (Republican) vs. former Director of Tourism Bob Goodman (Democratic)

11:00 PM

California
Idaho (PST)
North Dakota (MST)
Oregon (PST)
Washington
Hawai'i

California Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Jerry Brown (Democratic) vs. former Assistant Treasury Secretary Neel Kashkari (Republican)

Idaho Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Butch Otter (Republican) vs. Boise School District Board of Trustees President A.J. Balukoff (Democratic)

Idaho Senate: Incumbent Senator Jim Risch (Republican) vs. Nels Mitchell (Democratic)

Oregon Senate: Incumbent Senator Jeff Merkley (Democratic) vs. doctor Monica Wehby (Republican)

Oregon Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor John Kitzhaber (Democratic) vs. State Representative Dennis Richardson (Republican)

Hawai'i Senate: Incumbent (by appointment) Senator Brian Schatz (Democratic) vs. former State Representative Cam Cavasso (Republican)

Hawai'i Gubernatorial (open seat): State Senator David Ige (Democratic) vs. former Lt. Governor Duke Aiona (Republican)

12:00 AM

Alaska (AKST)
American Samoa

1:00 AM

Alaska (HAST)

Alaska Senate: Incumbent Senator Mark Begich (Democratic) vs. former Alaska Natural Resources Commissioner Dan Sullivan (Republican)

Alaska Gubernatorial: Incumbent Governor Sean Parnell (Republican) vs. former Mayor of Valdez Bill Walker (Independent Democratic former Republican)

Joementum fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Nov 2, 2014

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:13

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Er, I should clarify, Illinois same-day registration applies to cook county only. Then again, Cook County is Illinois.

I'll be downtown in Orr's arena come Tuesday evening. I cannot promise that I won't be drunkposting from the train back.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:15

Wolfsheim: Dec 23, 2003; and god is on your side
dividing sparrows from the nightingales

FlamingLiberal posted:

So Romney is already pushing the idea that the GOP will push to pass immigration reform. Of course as Fried Chicken already pointed out, that probably won't happen if the Tea Party is running the show on legislation.

On the bright side, the same Tea Party that would pass the bill that adds barbed wire and sniper towers to the border fence will also block any increase in government funding to actually do any of that.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:16

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

Fried Chicken posted:

Wow, yeah, let me go expend even a sliver of effort to bow to the whims of someone who is throwing a shrieking tantrum out of nowhere. gently caress off. Sullivan, Pierce, RCP, and Politico have all run pieces in the last 2 months about it, and Bouie Barrow, and Weigle have all commented on it. The estimate of the number of flipping seats growing from 25 (13 in RCP, but they trend conservative) in the early articles to 28 in the one I saw the other week (25 in RCP, but again, they want to undersell it). The general thesis in all of them has been that for however much the talking heads talk about which "side" is winning, the number of people with extreme views is increasing, with them pointing to Arkansas or Iowa for senate examples, and pointing to the 2013 Budget act as an example of how it is raising the stakes (You think I pulled that write up out of my rear end?). So try going to google instead of being lovely because reality doesn't conform to what you have told yourself will happen.

He didn't exactly call your mother a slattern or hurl your first born into a volcano there. 28 is a specific number and he could have gone profanity free in his question but it wasn't unreasonable dude.

This week is already stressful!

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:18

Teddybear: May 16, 2009; Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!

Massachusetts Governor: Charlie Baker ran for governor in 2010 against outgoing Dem Deval Patrick, and got whomped. He's back, he's pitching more moderate, and he's up against current Attorney General and failed Senate candidate Martha Coakley, who got whomped by Scott Brown in the race to replace the late Ted Kennedy. It's the battle of two losers, and whoever wins... doesn't really matter, because Democrats have veto-proof majorities in the legislature.

Massachusetts Senator: Ed Markey is John Kerry's replacement; before that, he was the longest-serving Rep from Massachusetts. He's such a lock to win re-election that most people have forgotten he's on the ballot this year.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:19

Warcabbit: Apr 26, 2008; Wedge Regret

My Imaginary GF posted:

100% disclosure on campaign contributions and related issue financing is a national security priority. I have it on good authority Senator Rand Paul has benefited from a Russian ad campaign designed to undermine America and shut down the federal government during this Ebola epidemic.

This is actually, no-poo poo true, if what I understand is correct.
Rand Paul has been going on all the TV shows. Him versus Jeb is going to be fun. He sounds... fairly okay, except that he repeats himself a lot. I don't think he's actually been hard pressed on anything in ages. He says things that are obvious bullshit and nobody's bothering to call him on it.
Example would be him calling for shutting down all incoming flights from Liberia. Now, it's been made perfectly clear there are no incoming flights. But the CBS interviewer just let it go.

Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Nov 2, 2014

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:20

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

Fried Chicken posted:

Wow, yeah, let me go expend even a sliver of effort to bow to the whims of someone who is throwing a shrieking tantrum out of nowhere. gently caress off. Sullivan, Pierce, RCP, and Politico have all run pieces in the last 2 months about it, and Bouie Barrow, and Weigle have all commented on it. The estimate of the number of flipping seats growing from 25 (13 in RCP, but they trend conservative) in the early articles to 28 in the one I saw the other week (25 in RCP, but again, they want to undersell it). The general thesis in all of them has been that for however much the talking heads talk about which "side" is winning, the number of people with extreme views is increasing, with them pointing to Arkansas or Iowa for senate examples, and pointing to the 2013 Budget act as an example of how it is raising the stakes (You think I pulled that write up out of my rear end?). So try going to google instead of being lovely because reality doesn't conform to what you have told yourself will happen.

14 republican house members are retiring, 2 got successfully primaried and Republicans are expected to pick up between 5 and 12 (as per Rothenberg earlier today) seats. So what you are saying is that literally every house member who retired will be replaced with a Tea Party member, both primaried Republicans will be replaced with Tea Party members (this is actually true, for what its worth) AND the Republican Party will win every too close to call race with every one of those races being won by a Tea Party member.

Your numbers are garbage and your argument ridiculous.

edit: There's also 7 house members who ran for senate and did not independently file for the house who will be giving up their House seats, but if you think that people like Jack Kingston and Cory Gardner are going to be replaced by people significantly to their right well, how is that even possible?

Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Nov 2, 2014

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:22

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Warcabbit posted:

This is actually, no-poo poo true, if what I understand is correct.
Rand Paul has been going on all the TV shows. Him versus Jeb is going to be fun. He sounds... fairly okay, except that he repeats himself a lot. I don't think he's actually been hard pressed on anything in ages. He says things that are obvious bullshit and nobody's bothering to call him on it.
Example would be him calling for shutting down all incoming flights from Liberia. Now, it's been made perfectly clear there are no incoming flights. But the CBS interviewer just let it go.

I know. Folks think I'm a gimmick when I'm just honest and aware of policy implications.

Coincidentally, this is why I favor a red scare of the TeaParty attempts to shut down the government again.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:24

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

Torka posted:

It's not the idea of a separately elected House/Senate and President I found odd, that's pretty easy to understand, it was the idea that with the same bloc of voters you could end up with different parties having control of each branch at the same time.

The thing is it's not necessarily the same bloc of voters every two years. Midterm electorates trend older, whiter, and more conservative because the drop in Republican voters between presidential and midterm elections is less than with Democrats.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:25

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

Teddybear posted:

Massachusetts Governor: Charlie Baker ran for governor in 2010 against outgoing Dem Deval Patrick, and got whomped. He's back, he's pitching more moderate, and he's up against current Attorney General and failed Senate candidate Martha Coakley, who got whomped by Scott Brown in the race to replace the late Ted Kennedy. It's the battle of two losers, and whoever wins... doesn't really matter, because Democrats have veto-proof majorities in the legislature.

Massachusetts Senator: Ed Markey is John Kerry's replacement; before that, he was the longest-serving Rep from Massachusetts. He's such a lock to win re-election that most people have forgotten he's on the ballot this year.

Honestly, neither of them got "whomped" last time around unless you count any Democratic loss in a statewide MA election as a whomping. Coakley's was something like 48/52 or 47/53 and Baker might well have won if it weren't for a third party candidate siphoning off the "Patrick needs to go but I don't want to vote R" votes. I'm shocked that Baker is winning at all, let alone to the extent that he is but at the same time he's not a Christine O'Donnell level awful candidate.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:28

Teddybear: May 16, 2009; Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!

Cliff Racer posted:

Honestly, neither of them got "whomped" last time around unless you count any Democratic loss in a statewide MA election as a whomping. Coakley's was something like 48/52 or 47/53 and Baker might well have won if it weren't for a third party candidate siphoning off the "Patrick needs to go but I don't want to vote R" votes. I'm shocked that Baker is winning at all, let alone to the extent that he is but at the same time he's not a Christine O'Donnell level awful candidate.

Perhaps I'm too vivid, I guess? I don't know. It felt like a whomping, but I didn't bother to look up the numbers. Coakley was a whomping considering she was a Democrat running to replace Ted Kennedy.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:33

VanSandman: Feb 16, 2011; SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

If Kay Hagan loses I'm going to go pee on the Governors' Mansion.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:35

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Cliff Racer posted:

14 republican house members are retiring, 2 got successfully primaried and Republicans are expected to pick up between 5 and 12 (as per Rothenberg earlier today) seats. So what you are saying is that literally every house member who retired will be replaced with a Tea Party member, both primaried Republicans will be replaced with Tea Party members (this is actually true, for what its worth) AND the Republican Party will win every too close to call race with every one of those races being won by a Tea Party member.

Your numbers are garbage and your argument ridiculous.

So basically, you bothered to google, found "holy poo poo, the numbers add up just like he said" and are still insisting it won't happen. Gotcha.

Yes, the 14 who are retiring are being replaced by people more extreme. This is because the party has become more extreme, something that is blindingly obvious to everyone. Candidates are distancing themselves from the Tea Party label, but they still hold the extreme tea party views (see Cotton and Ernst). The pickups are also more extreme, both because the party is more extreme and they had to beat out other people looking to run for the pickup. And as much as it must have cost you to admit it, the primaried people lost to more extreme people.

By your own numbers the nutbag caucus is growing. You thought that it would see "outright shrinkage". Yet somehow my point is "ridiculous"

Even at a minimum, that the dems manage to pull a rabbit out of their hat, mobilize the 2012 voters and hold all their seats in the house, thats reducing the number of dems that Pelosi can release to 16. And again, the ones who would vote no are most likely to come from the most liberal districts. Do you think Boehner is going to sideline the buffoons and let new england run the show for what comes out of the house, or do you think we are going to see much more extremem bills comes out because he needs the enlarged bloc of paranoids to get anything passed?

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:38

Akumu: Apr 24, 2003

Visconti (I) has endorsed Foley (R) in the CT gubernatorial race.

Latest polling makes this 46-45 for Foley over Malloy (D).

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:38

InequalityGodzilla: May 31, 2012

Defenestration posted:

well then

http://www.livelyforgovernor.com/issues.htm

Aaaaargh Phyllis Schlafly mention :flaccid:

It's gone. Political blue balls, gently caress!

InequalityGodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Nov 2, 2014

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:46

Teddybear: May 16, 2009; Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Aaaaargh Phyllis Schlafy mention
It's gone. Political blue balls, gently caress!

Remember that Lively is literally on trial for crimes against humanity for his role in implementing Uganda's "kill the gays" bill. His speech to the Ugandan parliament is quoted in the preamble.

He is a garbage person.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:49

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

Fried Chicken posted:

So basically, you bothered to google, found "holy poo poo, the numbers add up just like he said" and are still insisting it won't happen. Gotcha.

Yes, the 14 who are retiring are being replaced by people more extreme. This is because the party has become more extreme, something that is blindingly obvious to everyone. Candidates are distancing themselves from the Tea Party label, but they still hold the extreme tea party views (see Cotton and Ernst). The pickups are also more extreme, both because the party is more extreme and they had to beat out other people looking to run for the pickup. And as much as it must have cost you to admit it, the primaried people lost to more extreme people.

By your own numbers the nutbag caucus is growing. You thought that it would see "outright shrinkage". Yet somehow my point is "ridiculous"

Even at a minimum, that the dems manage to pull a rabbit out of their hat, mobilize the 2012 voters and hold all their seats in the house, thats reducing the number of dems that Pelosi can release to 16. And again, the ones who would vote no are most likely to come from the most liberal districts. Do you think Boehner is going to sideline the buffoons and let new england run the show for what comes out of the house, or do you think we are going to see much more extremem bills comes out because he needs the enlarged bloc of paranoids to get anything passed?

You actually think that literally every TCTC race will go the same way and that the candidates in it will all be Tea Party people? Are you loving stupid? That list includes moderates running in centrist districts like Doug Ose, Carl DeMaio and Rob Dold. Not to mention the conservative but establishment Republicans who are running in other races.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:51

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

Defenestration posted:

doot de doo looking up the ballot. Won't vote for freaking Martha Coakley; let me look at the independent contenders

why yes, that is me! What is your appeal, sir?

hm

http://www.livelyforgovernor.com/images/appealtoprogressivevoters.pdf

Bonus:

I'm thinking I'm gonna go with Falchuk

Defenestration posted:

well then

http://www.livelyforgovernor.com/issues.htm

Scott Lively has his own Southern Poverty Law Center page.

He believes that the Nazis were all gay and that we should kill all gay people. He has toured Russia and Uganda to spread these beliefs and helped in passing Uganda's capital punishment law for gay people.

Suggestion: don't vote for Scott Lively.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:52

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

VanSandman posted:

If Kay Hagan loses I'm going to go pee on the Governors' Mansion.

She'll probably win and don't do that because the groundskeepers are nice folks and the mansion itself belongs to the public. Go piss on Jesse Helms' grave instead.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 19:58

VanSandman: Feb 16, 2011; SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

comes along bort posted:

She'll probably win and don't do that because the groundskeepers are nice folks and the mansion itself belongs to the public. Go piss on Jesse Helms' grave instead.

You're right. I'll do that instead.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 20:03

Eschatos: Apr 10, 2013; pictured: Big Cum's Most Monstrous Ambassador

Joementum, that info is super useful and you're a good person. I'd been unable to find where I can vote because my state's lovely website won't accept my home address. Thanks.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 20:06

SnakePlissken: Dec 31, 2009; by zen death robot

comes along bort posted:

She'll probably win and don't do that because the groundskeepers are nice folks and the mansion itself belongs to the public. Go piss on Jesse Helms' grave instead.

Where is it anyway? Just out of unrelated, casual curiosity?

# ? Nov 2, 2014 20:07

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Eschatos posted:

Joementum, that info is super useful and you're a good person. I'd been unable to find where I can vote because my state's lovely website won't accept my home address. Thanks.

Call your county clerk's office and ask.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 20:09

notthegoatseguy: Sep 6, 2005

Eschatos posted:

Joementum, that info is super useful and you're a good person. I'd been unable to find where I can vote because my state's lovely website won't accept my home address. Thanks.

In most states, the county clerk runs the day-to-day activities related to voting. Call them. Or call the county or state Dem or GOP parties and ask.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 20:12

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

He's saying he was able to find his polling place via http://vote411.org but not through the official state site.

You are right though that the local clerk is the best source of this information. Vote 411 gets it right most of the time, but the clerk will have the best information.

# ? Nov 2, 2014 20:14

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# ? Apr 20, 2024 00:07

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Followup from last night's 'Amtrak is a national security priority' chat. I originally thought the Ike interstate program was a coldwar issue, until I started making trips to the Eisenhower Presidential Library to research the issue.

Turns out, it was a good ol' graft program that got passed to ensure integration of the military and basic civil rights. It was sold to the public as an anti-communist measure, when it was actually a pro-integration votebuying scheme.

The more you know

# ? Nov 2, 2014 20:17

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