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Bloopsy
Jun 1, 2006

you have been visited by the Tasty Garlic Bread. you will be blessed by having good Garlic Bread in your life time, but only if you comment "ty garlic bread" in the thread below
That's great and all that he killed Usama but his job was to shoot people. He could do worse than delivering beer.

Post script - My time in the military was great. I drank a lot and had a blast living in Japan for a few years and the VA now pays my $16k a semester private college tuition.

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new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Agag posted:

Yeah that's true, without those SEALs murdering brown children in Afghanistan there's no way society could function. There's no way they are a worthless evil in the world, collectively less valuable than a single immigrant fruit picker.

If you're 19 and/or an idiot this probably makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately most adults realize the world is a much more complicated place. It's easy to distill things down to black and white like that, just remember you're only really doing it primarily to make yourself feel good.

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

natetimm posted:

If you're 19 and/or an idiot this probably makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately most adults realize the world is a much more complicated place. It's easy to distill things down to black and white like that, just remember you're only really doing it primarily to make yourself feel good.

I'm 12 actually, so no swears plz.


Explain to me how the "sacrifice" of those fine young sociopaths accomplished anything worthwhile.

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007

Agag posted:

I'm 12 actually, so no swears plz.


Explain to me how the "sacrifice" of those fine young sociopaths accomplished anything worthwhile.

well they killed brown "people"

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

Bolow posted:

well they killed brown "people"

No, the guys with their pictures on the wall got murked by the browns. The bar is effectively a shrine to the falsehood of white supremacism.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Agag posted:

I'm 12 actually, so no swears plz.


Explain to me how the "sacrifice" of those fine young sociopaths accomplished anything worthwhile.

Having an able and ready military has proven to be a necessity for any nation wanting to remain a nation throughout recorded history. You aren't the first or the last person who will see them in a totally negative light, but history tells a different tale. No matter if you disagree with the specific current mission or not, until the world reaches the next step of human development, a strong military remains the best form of insurance for survival. This isn't even the first time this century a bunch of anti-military isolationists have tried to put forth the narrative that intervening in other places in the world is bad and been proven catastrophically wrong. It's a question with no good answers because all of the options are bad.

Interfere and risk bad outcomes? Don't interfere and risk bad outcomes? There's no guarantee that either of those philosophies will lead to anything good. You can only really try and aim for the less bad outcomes by acting proactively. I can't pretend to say that everywhere the US military has gone has been sunshine and rainbows afterwards but I also can't pretend like sticking our head in the sand and refusing to get involved has done us any favors either. Like I said, it's complicated and not a black/white issue of moral certainty.

hohhat
Sep 25, 2014

natetimm posted:

Having an able and ready military has proven to be a necessity for any nation wanting to remain a nation throughout recorded history. You aren't the first or the last person who will see them in a totally negative light, but history tells a different tale. No matter if you disagree with the specific current mission or not, until the world reaches the next step of human development, a strong military remains the best form of insurance for survival. This isn't even the first time this century a bunch of anti-military isolationists have tried to put forth the narrative that intervening in other places in the world is bad and been proven catastrophically wrong. It's a question with no good answers because all of the options are bad.

Interfere and risk bad outcomes? Don't interfere and risk bad outcomes? There's no guarantee that either of those philosophies will lead to anything good. You can only really try and aim for the less bad outcomes by acting proactively. I can't pretend to say that everywhere the US military has gone has been sunshine and rainbows afterwards but I also can't pretend like sticking our head in the sand and refusing to get involved has done us any favors either. Like I said, it's complicated and not a black/white issue of moral certainty.

I didn't ask for a history 101 on the existence of armed forces throughout history. I asked why was accomplished by those SEALs dying in failed bid to defeat the Taliban or reconstitute Iraq. And you know that the answer is "nothing."

Anyway even if we accept the premise that armed interventions are essential, I'm not sure why people are supposed to admire the kind of people who volunteer themselves as paid killers as opposed to taking up some other trade.

As there are no moral certainties here, its entirely possible that all of those faces on the wall belonged to sick people who wanted to commit murder and get patted on the head for it, but were instead owned by the people they were sent to kill, and thus we should laugh at them. I mean anything is possible, right?

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

natetimm posted:

Having an able and ready military has proven to be a necessity for any nation wanting to remain a nation throughout recorded history. You aren't the first or the last person who will see them in a totally negative light, but history tells a different tale. No matter if you disagree with the specific current mission or not, until the world reaches the next step of human development, a strong military remains the best form of insurance for survival. This isn't even the first time this century a bunch of anti-military isolationists have tried to put forth the narrative that intervening in other places in the world is bad and been proven catastrophically wrong. It's a question with no good answers because all of the options are bad.

Interfere and risk bad outcomes? Don't interfere and risk bad outcomes? There's no guarantee that either of those philosophies will lead to anything good. You can only really try and aim for the less bad outcomes by acting proactively. I can't pretend to say that everywhere the US military has gone has been sunshine and rainbows afterwards but I also can't pretend like sticking our head in the sand and refusing to get involved has done us any favors either. Like I said, it's complicated and not a black/white issue of moral certainty.

It's easy to jackoff our young men and women who die senselessly while trying to murder poor middle easterners to protect oil profits and keep the military industrial complex humming so old rich white fuckers can continue being richer than god like that, just remember you're only really doing it primarily to make yourself feel good.

e: like, honestly, can you imagine an America where everyone isn't fellating the military at every opportunity? if we didn't constantly call them heroes then we might feel bad about all of these young people who die for no reason and stop getting involved in senseless and perpetual wars, but then where would all that sweet government contract money go? infrastructure? healthcare? lol

mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Nov 6, 2014

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Agag posted:

I didn't ask for a history 101 on the existence of armed forces throughout history. I asked why was accomplished by those SEALs dying in failed bid to defeat the Taliban or reconstitute Iraq. And you know that the answer is "nothing."

Anyway even if we accept the premise that armed interventions are essential, I'm not sure why people are supposed to admire the kind of people who volunteer themselves as paid killers as opposed to taking up some other trade.

As there are no moral certainties here, its entirely possible that all of those faces on the wall belonged to sick people who wanted to commit murder and get patted on the head for it, but were instead owned by the people they were sent to kill, and thus we should laugh at them. I mean anything is possible, right?

I think it's easy to look down at "paid killers" when you live in a country and reap the benefits the best "paid killers" in history provided.

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

natetimm posted:

I think it's easy to look down at "paid killers" when you live in a country and reap the benefits the best "paid killers" in history provided.

please justify spending trillions of dollars to kill people literally living in caves and explain how that makes you safer as an american citizen living on us soil

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

mr. mephistopheles posted:

It's easy to jackoff our young men and women who die senselessly while trying to murder poor middle easterners to protect oil profits and keep the military industrial complex humming so old rich white fuckers can continue being richer than god like that, just remember you're only really doing it primarily to make yourself feel good.

e: like, honestly, can you imagine an America where everyone isn't fellating the military at every opportunity? if we didn't constantly call them heroes then we might feel bad about all of these young people who die for no reason and stop getting involved in senseless and perpetual wars, but then where would all that sweet government contract money go? infrastructure? healthcare? lol

I think until the rest of the free world pulls their heads out of their collective asses and realizes that they might need to fork out a bit more military-wise to even the carrying of the load we are stuck in our position as superpower and politicians will never be able to resist using that big shiny military rather than let it sit on the shelf.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

mr. mephistopheles posted:

please justify spending trillions of dollars to kill people literally living in caves and explain how that makes you safer as an american citizen living on us soil

I'm not going to justify every dumb expedition the US has ridden off on, but I feel comfortable saying that if the US military evaporated today, the entities that moved to fill that void would make not only the lives of US citizens, but also the lives of many of our allies demonstrably worse.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine

mr. mephistopheles posted:

please justify spending trillions of dollars to kill people literally living in caves and explain how that makes you safer as an american citizen living on us soil

They don't live in caves man. Don't be racist

RonMexicosPitbull
Feb 28, 2012

by Ralp

mr. mephistopheles posted:

please justify spending trillions of dollars to kill people literally living in caves and explain how that makes you safer as an american citizen living on us soil

kinda racist dude

The Bible
May 8, 2010

Kleen_TheRowdyDog posted:

what part of he killed bin laden don't you understand, you loving idiot?

He did it pretty well, I guess, but he hosed up, because now there are no more bin Ladens left to kill. His obsoleted his own skillset.

boom boom boom
Jun 28, 2012

by Shine


He should do porn

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

natetimm posted:

Having an able and ready military has proven to be a necessity for any nation wanting to remain a nation throughout recorded history. You aren't the first or the last person who will see them in a totally negative light, but history tells a different tale. No matter if you disagree with the specific current mission or not, until the world reaches the next step of human development, a strong military remains the best form of insurance for survival. This isn't even the first time this century a bunch of anti-military isolationists have tried to put forth the narrative that intervening in other places in the world is bad and been proven catastrophically wrong. It's a question with no good answers because all of the options are bad.

Nuclear weapons are the best form of insurance for survival. Also every time we intervene we end up creating a massive clusterfuck that backfires on us because we don't give a poo poo about intervening to make anything better we just do it to further our imperialist agenda

hth

Beef Turret
Jul 9, 2009

by Lowtax
Osama Bin Laden cheated the gallows and died five years before US security forces officially announced he was killed, says a former CIA agent, currently living in Turkey.

“I knew Bin Laden’s Chechen guards very well,” Berkan Yashar, himself an ethnic Chechen, told the Russian TV station, Channel One. “Samy, Ayub and Mahmud were with him right to the end. I remember well this date as there were three sixes in it – June 26, 2006. Those three men, as well as two Muslims from London and two from the US saw Bin Laden dead. He was seriously ill before his death. He faded away to skin and bone. The three Chechens washed his body before burying it.”

Yashar also said that on the eve of May 2, when President Obama announced that Bin Laden had been killed, the Americans found only Bin Laden’s grave near the Afghan-Pakistani border and staged an operation.

According to Yashar, US special forces started hunting Bin Laden’s Chechen guards after Bin Laden’s death was first announced at a conference in Washington in November 2008. The last of them, Samy, was taken by the American special forces a few days before Bin Laden was officially pronounced dead. Berkan Yashar believes Samy could have told them the exact place of burial.

Answering why he had decided to speak to the Russian channel, Berkan Yashar said that after all the recent developments he feared for his life.

Vorik
Mar 27, 2014

red19fire posted:

I know someone who took an early retirement buyout at 16 years in. One year's pay. He didn't really grasp that getting a $50k lump sum now is worth less than $200k over 4 years, and $25k/year after that. He signed the documents in Iraq so it was tax-free, then he smuggled power tools back so he could become a home contractor. This was in 2007, about a year and a half before the financial meltdown :laffo:

I refuse to believe anyone could be this loving stupid.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Beef Turret posted:

Osama Bin Laden cheated the gallows and died five years before US security forces officially announced he was killed, says a former CIA agent, currently living in Turkey.

“I knew Bin Laden’s Chechen guards very well,” Berkan Yashar, himself an ethnic Chechen, told the Russian TV station, Channel One. “Samy, Ayub and Mahmud were with him right to the end. I remember well this date as there were three sixes in it – June 26, 2006. Those three men, as well as two Muslims from London and two from the US saw Bin Laden dead. He was seriously ill before his death. He faded away to skin and bone. The three Chechens washed his body before burying it.”

Yashar also said that on the eve of May 2, when President Obama announced that Bin Laden had been killed, the Americans found only Bin Laden’s grave near the Afghan-Pakistani border and staged an operation.

According to Yashar, US special forces started hunting Bin Laden’s Chechen guards after Bin Laden’s death was first announced at a conference in Washington in November 2008. The last of them, Samy, was taken by the American special forces a few days before Bin Laden was officially pronounced dead. Berkan Yashar believes Samy could have told them the exact place of burial.

Answering why he had decided to speak to the Russian channel, Berkan Yashar said that after all the recent developments he feared for his life.

I don't think Obama's dumb enough to do that but then that's the first time I've ever thought a politician wasn't dumb enough to do something so I'm confused.

Pookum
Mar 5, 2011

gaming is life
yeah osama was on dialysis way back in 2001 he died way before they said they killed him. They just dumped a body bag full of potatoes into the ocean.

greg sexyvibes
May 7, 2007
IF I EVER FIRST POST AGAIN SOMETHING BAD WILL HAPPEN TO ME
Yes GBS, military service is just like welfare and social programs, except they actually have to wake up and go to work, and it's at least harder work in some aspects than what most of us do. Not all aspects, mind you, but my job is pretty physical, but I don't get told to wake up and do group PT ever, or get tested on my fitness.

RonMexicosPitbull
Feb 28, 2012

by Ralp

greg sexyvibes posted:

Yes GBS, military service is just like welfare and social programs, except they actually have to wake up and go to work, and it's at least harder work in some aspects than what most of us do. Not all aspects, mind you, but my job is pretty physical, but I don't get told to wake up and do group PT ever, or get tested on my fitness.

The idea that working hard and exercising every day, being told what to do, where to live, when to poo poo, when to storm the al Qaeda safe house might have to have substantial compensation is foreign to them

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

natetimm posted:

Agag posted:

Explain to me how the "sacrifice" of those fine young sociopaths accomplished anything worthwhile.
Having an able and ready military has proven to be a necessity for any nation wanting to remain a nation throughout recorded history. You aren't the first or the last person who will see them in a totally negative light, but history tells a different tale.
on the subject of the accomplishments and character of the soldiers of our military natetimm responds: :downs: "your suggestion that we should not have any military at all is ridiculous but i dont expect you to understand the cold realities of the world i see in the burdened 1:60 eyes of each of the soldiers samurai and zoids of my various dioramas"

But we don't seem to want to accept the fact we're dealing with an expert in guerrilla posting, with a man who's the best, with hoo-rah, with jinogism, with his eagle tears. A man who's been trained to ignore facts, ignore arguments, to live off the rage, to post things that would make a billy goat puke. In gbs his job was to support our troops. To post! Period! Win by attrition. Well Natetimm was the best.

california roll
Feb 23, 2009
protecting economic interests is pretty important. then u make fun of them for being evil?? well someone's gotta do it..

corpuscollossus
Apr 19, 2007
You think ISIS would let you post all day and watch Ai Yori Aoshi in your pyjama? Don't tell me they didn't bleed out into the desert soil for nothing.

Rapman the Cook
Aug 24, 2013

by Ralp
I did the only thing I could because I am useless at anything else and I need cash and/or I am easily swayed by propaganda! But now I have stopped and ou all have to pay me money for doing nothing for the rest of my life now!!

Rapman the Cook fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Nov 6, 2014

Rapman the Cook
Aug 24, 2013

by Ralp
Boo hoo, we need an army so we can kill some people who are angry t us because we keep sending our army off to kill people for lovely lovely reasons and they get angry at us for some reason?!!

Rapman the Cook
Aug 24, 2013

by Ralp
Gotta say though, those people who died in Iraq, not pointless deaths at all.

Support our troops! Because for some reason these grown men cant support themselves, or make sane moral decisions.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
This gbs 1.0 roleplay is much better than my thread gj guys

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

Agag posted:

I'm 12 actually, so no swears plz.


Explain to me how the "sacrifice" of those fine young sociopaths accomplished anything worthwhile.

Less Muslims

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
so are we talking super troopers style shenanigans or what

Eleanor Pwnsevelt
Dec 25, 2003

I know somebody who was in the navy for all the financial/status benefits and got booted/quit after 2 years for failing a drug test (weed), describing his COs as "haters", and instead of getting hosed in the rear end he claims to have actually received an honorable discharge. I was very skeptical when he started telling everyone that but at this point I don't even doubt his story. So that's really great the military blows billions of tax dollars to slaughter browns and acting as a substitute welfare program for dumbass retards and isn't even as hardcore and serious as it pretends to be.

krampster2
Jun 26, 2014

In Australia we just send 'em to the mines.

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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

I for one am appalled by the amount of racism and lack of critical thought going on in this thread... appalled and worried at what our forums is becoming...

Chupe Raho Aurat
Jun 22, 2011

by Lowtax
In before "I don't understand how they found my brother and beheaded him!!"

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Prude
Nov 28, 2010

by Reene
dont have much to say regarding the OP but I can say I spent part of my childhood on camp pendleton and every marine i ever met as a child is someone i'd nowadays immediately recognize as either a retard or a dick

and to this day going to do anything in oceanside (the town right outside the base) loving blows because you have to deal with crowds of belligerent 18-22 year olds who just got their first chance to get away from their rural families and "earn" a pay check. also oceanside is loving ghetto anyways. gently caress oceanside.

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