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Bxc7 seems like a very Quackamura-esque move.
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Nov 11, 2014 16:21
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PGN: White: Anand Black: Carlsen 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bf4 O-O 6. e3 Nbd7 7. c5 c6 8. Bd3 b6 9. b4 a5 10. a3 Ba6 11. Bxa6 Rxa6 12. b5 cxb5 13. c6 Qc8 14. c7 b4 15. Nb5 a4 16. Rc1 Ne4 17. Ng5 Ndf6 18. Nxe4 Nxe4 19. f3 Ra5 20. fxe4 Rxb5 21. Qxa4 Ra5 22. Qc6 bxa3 23. exd5 Rxd5 24. Qxb6 Qd7 25. O-O Rc8 26. Rc6 g5 27. Bg3 Bb4 28. Ra1 Ba5 29. Qa6 Bxc7 30. Qc4 e5 31. Bxe5 Rxe5 32. dxe5 Qe7 33. e6 Kf8 34. Rc1 1-0 Press conference is on right now. He just suggested that he was still solidly in prep through 24.Qxb6, and everything had come up in some sense until black's 27...Bb4. Elyv posted:Bxc7 seems like a very Quackamura-esque move. It's actually Ba5 the move before that does it. Black doesn't have a response to Qa6.
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Nov 11, 2014 16:38
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drat, why can't we get coverage like this in English?
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Nov 11, 2014 16:42
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Josh Lyman posted:drat, why can't we get coverage like this in English? I wish I lived in Norway. 
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Nov 11, 2014 17:06
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Josh Lyman posted:drat, why can't we get coverage like this in English? With so many sports television competitors on TV in the US now (ESPN/NBC Sports/Fox Sports/CBS Sports), I bet someone would whip up a round table discussion like that should Quackamura get into a championship match! I missed most of the game, again, because I had to stay up to cover the WSOP final table and that didn't end until about an hour after this game started (so I saw the opening, and that's about it). But that was enough time for me to have a lovely Twitter dialog with Nigel Short: 
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Nov 11, 2014 20:15
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Giri and Harikrishna on twitter were talking about Aronian v Adams at Bilbao in 2013 and suggesting that was the game Magnus was remembering and playing from - but it was not the best line for black. 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bf4 O-O 6. e3 Nbd7 7. c5 c6 8. Bd3 b6 9. b4 a5 10. a3 Ba6 11. Bxa6 Rxa6 12. b5 cxb5 13. c6 Qc8 14. c7 b4 15. Nb5 a4 16. Rc1 Ne4 17. Ng5 Ndf6 18. Nxe4 Nxe4 19. f3 Ra5 20. Qe2 Qd7 21. fxe4 Rc8 22. exd5 exd5 23. axb4 Rxb5 24. O-O Rxb4 25. Qa6 h6 26. Rc6 Bg5 27. Bxg5 hxg5 28. Rfc1 Rc4 29. R1xc4 dxc4 30. Qxb6 a3 31. Rxc4 a2 32. Qa5 Qe6 33. Qxa2 Rxc7 34. Qa8+ Kh7 35. Rxc7 Qxe3+ 36. Kf1 Qf4+ 37. Qf3 Qxc7 38. Qh5+ Kg8 39. Qxg5 Qc4+ 40. Kf2 Qxd4+ 1/2-1/2 e: That was the first win for Anand over Magnus since 2010! V for Vegas fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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Nov 11, 2014 23:04
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Yeah, that was going around twitter. The game also matched Tomashevsky-Riazantsev, except white had a pawn on h3. While Anand denied knowing about the game, given that he followed Tomashevsky's winning play (0-0 and Rc6), I wouldn't be surprised if he had run it at some point. What I found interesting (if I may fully indulge in confirmation bias, briefly), is that Anand very emphatically won in part because of keeping the bishop on in the sense that Carlsen's first big mistake was playing the position as if it was a pure major piece endgame. The move I am thinking of is when he played Rxd5. The idea behind that move is to keep the integrity of black's pawn structure, and maybe later crack white's centre with e5. The thing is, with the bishops on, this simply fails. The bishop cuts off the rooks squares, not only immediately but much more generally as well as the centre of the board is difficult to navigate for any marauding rooks. An e5 break is, of course, completely out of the question. And then Carlsen's later full blunder was Ba5. I'm telling you guys, the secret is the minor pieces.
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Nov 11, 2014 23:30
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Svidler made a good point yesterday that Vishy has been studying chess theory for as long as Carlsen has been alive. So while Carlsen might have a prodigious memory - Vishy is a much more theoretical player and needs to capitalise on that strength.
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Nov 12, 2014 09:04
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So regarding game 3, this might be a foolish question, but if Carlsen claims he was in prep through move 24 then how the hell is he already out of time by then? Does it take his famous memory two hours to remember a line? I understand you can't just blitz all your moves out by rote but Jesus.
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Nov 12, 2014 15:53
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McNerd posted:So regarding game 3, this might be a foolish question, but if Carlsen claims he was in prep through move 24 then how the hell is he already out of time by then? Does it take his famous memory two hours to remember a line? I understand you can't just blitz all your moves out by rote but Jesus. Anand was in prep, not Carlsen. Hence the crazy time imbalance.
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Nov 12, 2014 16:20
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Oh okay I must have misread something yesterday, thanks!
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Nov 12, 2014 16:22
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This is an interesting position.
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Nov 12, 2014 16:45
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PGN White: Carlsen Black: Anand 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 d5 5.exd5 exd5 6.O-O Nf6 7.d4 Be7 8.Be3 cxd4 9.Nxd4 Bg4 10.Qd3 Qd7 11.Nd2 O-O 12.N2f3 Rfe8 13.Rfe1 Bd6 14.c3 h6 15.Qf1 Bh5 16.h3 Bg6 17.Rad1 Rad8 18.Nxc6 bxc6 19.c4 Be4 20.Bd4 Nh7 21.cxd5 Bxd5 22.Rxe8+ Rxe8 23.Qd3 Nf8 24.Nh4 Be5 25.Bxd5 Qxd5 26.Bxe5 Qxe5 27.b3 Ne6 28.Nf3 Qf6 29.Kg2 Rd8 30.Qe2 Rd5 31.Rxd5 cxd5 32.Ne5 Qf5 33.Nd3 Nd4 34.g4 Qd7 35.Qe5 Ne6 36.Kg3 Qb5 37.Nf4 Nxf4 38.Kxf4 Qb4+ 39.Kf3 d4 40.Qe8+ Kh7 41.Qxf7 Qd2 42.Qf5+ Kh8 43.h4 Qxa2 44.Qe6 Qd2 45.Qe8+ Kh7 46.Qe4+ Kh8 47.Qe8+ Kh7 1/2-1/2 Elyv posted:This is an interesting position. I wasn't around to flood the thread this game, but it was an interesting game and I think, outside of maybe one strategic miscue, a very good black game by Anand. He played the opening very firmly and, I think, had his pieces on simply better squares. His one mistake was playing the position for a draw - I think there were points he could've pushed if he was looking for it - but it's understandable with a rest day coming up and the white pieces on the other side. What was especially relevant was that after Carlsen manoeuvred into a very slight advantage, Anand quickly equalized and was in fact the one to force Carlsen to take a draw. Carlsen, on the other hand, looked very unlike Carlsen. He seemed to struggle finding what to do in the minor-piece-heavy middle game and, once he made an advantage, very quickly lost it.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:50
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After 20 moves, Anand looks very good again. What's interesting is that Carlsen has only used 20 minutes of his time, and had only used 15 before this move. This seem strange to me, because this position doesn't seem very favourable for Carlsen. Anand, on the other hand, has already gone through an hour. The dynamic for the rest of the game might be a fair bit of Anand managing his advantage (should he consolidate it) against his time. e: Guess Anand decided he'd rather take the draw and rest, rather than pushing a small winning chance. PGN: Anand Carlsen 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 Be7 6. Nc3 Bb7 7. Bg2 c6 8. e4 d5 9. exd5 cxd5 10. Ne5 O-O 11. O-O Nc6 12. cxd5 Nxe5 13. d6 Nc6 14. dxe7 Qxe7 15. Bg5 h6 16. d5 Na5 17. Bxf6 Qxf6 18. dxe6 Qxe6 19. Re1 Qf6 20. Nd5 Bxd5 21. Bxd5 Rad8 22. Qf3 Qxb2 23. Rad1 Qf6 24. Qxf6 gxf6 25. Re7 Kg7 26. Rxa7 Nc6 27. Rb7 Nb4 28. Bb3 Rxd1+ 29. Bxd1 Nxa2 30. Rxb6 Nc3 31. Bf3 f5 32. Kg2 Rd8 33. Rc6 Ne4 34. Bxe4 fxe4 35. Rc4 f5 36. g4 Rd2 37. gxf5 e3 38. Re4 Rxf2+ 39. Kg3 Rxf5 1/2-1/2 Hand Knit fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Nov 14, 2014 14:24
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 Dammit, Vishy
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Nov 15, 2014 14:10
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Are players notified somehow when their opponent moves while they're away from the table?
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Nov 15, 2014 15:03
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uXs posted:Are players notified somehow when their opponent moves while they're away from the table? They aren't, but they probably have a view of the board somehow. Also both players just missed a near-winning tactic for black.
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Nov 15, 2014 15:05
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Hand Knit posted:They aren't, but they probably have a view of the board somehow. Amazing that those two players missed that tactic. It wasn't terribly deep.
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Nov 15, 2014 15:28
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da_goob posted:Amazing that those two players missed that tactic. It wasn't terribly deep. Looks like Anand has completely come undone since that point. His play almost looks like he was playing for a helpmate. e: PGN Carlsen Anand 1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. c4 Nf6 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Qd3 Nc6 8. Nxc6 dxc6 9. Qxd8+ Kxd8 10. e5 Nd7 11. Bf4 Bxc3+ 12. bxc3 Kc7 13. h4 b6 14. h5 h6 15. O-O-O Bb7 16. Rd3 c5 17. Rg3 Rag8 18. Bd3 Nf8 19. Be3 g6 20. hxg6 Nxg6 21. Rh5 Bc6 22. Bc2 Kb7 23. Rg4 a5 24. Bd1 Rd8 25. Bc2 Rdg8 26. Kd2?? a4 27. Ke2 a3 28. f3 Rd8 29. Ke1 Rd7 30. Bc1 Ra8 31. Ke2 Ba4 32. Be4+ Bc6 33. Bxg6 fxg6 34. Rxg6 Ba4 35. Rxe6 Rd1 36. Bxa3 Ra1 37. Ke3 Bc2 38. Re7+ 1-0 Hand Knit fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Nov 15, 2014 16:02
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sigh, the press conference after that game. Carlsen: Yeah that Kd2 move made me feel pretty bad. Press: But how did it FEEL after Kd2? Carlsen: Felt pretty bad. Had problem concentrating after that. Press: But what were you thinking afterwards, did it affect your concentration?
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Nov 15, 2014 17:20
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Ugh, I love the norwegian commentators at VG, but at times they spend ridiculous amounts of time talking about irrelevant moves since the players have already moved far beyond the discussed position. Looking pretty good for Carlsen, this.
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Nov 17, 2014 18:01
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This looks like it's going to end in a draw.
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Nov 17, 2014 18:04
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Yeah, only way I can see anything but a draw is one of them messing up, and that could just as well be Carlsen as Anand, no matter the current computer evaluation.
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Nov 17, 2014 18:10
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Carlsen should really stop trying to squeeze blood from a stone.
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Nov 17, 2014 18:54
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Elyv posted:Carlsen should really stop trying to squeeze blood from a stone. The commentators on sochi2014.fide are just saying "man this game is a draw, we're gonna stop talking about the game now so let's talk about other stuff". Now they're talking about the Buffalo buffalo buffalo sentence from the wiki article. silvergoose fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Sorry for lagging, I've been busy. But some catching up. First of all, ICC has free log-ins for rounds 10 and 11. Info here PGN Round 7 White: Carlsen Black: Anand 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.O-O Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.dxe5 Nf5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.h3 Ke8 10.Nc3 h5 11.Bf4 Be7 12.Rad1 Be6 13.Ng5 Rh6 14.g3 Bxg5 15.Bxg5 Rg6 16.h4 f6 17.exf6 gxf6 18.Bf4 Nxh4 19.f3 Rd8 20.Kf2 Rxd1 21.Nxd1 Nf5 22.Rh1 Bxa2 23.Rxh5 Be6 24.g4 Nd6 25.Rh7 Nf7 26.Ne3 Kd8 27.Nf5 c5 28.Ng3 Ne5 29.Rh8+ Rg8 30.Bxe5 fxe5 31.Rh5 Bxg4 32.fxg4 Rxg4 33.Rxe5 b6 34.Ne4 Rh4 35.Ke2 Rh6 36.b3 Kd7 37.Kd2 Kc6 38.Nc3 a6 39.Re4 Rh2+ 40.Kc1 Rh1+ 41.Kb2 Rh6 42.Nd1 Rg6 43.Ne3 Rh6 44.Re7 Rh2 45.Re6+ Kb7 46.Kc3 Rh4 47.Kb2 Rh2 48.Nd5 Rd2 49.Nf6 Rf2 50.Kc3 Rf4 51.Ne4 Rh4 52.Nf2 Rh2 53.Rf6 Rh7 54.Nd3 Rh3 55.Kd2 Rh2+ 56.Rf2 Rh4 57.c4 Rh3 58.Kc2 Rh7 59.Nb2 Rh5 60.Re2 Rg5 61.Nd1 b5 62.Nc3 c6 63.Ne4 Rh5 64.Nf6 Rg5 65.Re7+ Kb6 66.Nd7+ Ka5 67.Re4 Rg2+ 68.Kc1 Rg1+ 69.Kd2 Rg2+ 70.Ke1 bxc4 71.Rxc4 Rg3 72.Nxc5 Kb5 73.Rc2 a5 74.Kf2 Rh3 75.Rc1 Kb4 76.Ke2 Rc3 77.Nd3+ Kxb3 78.Ra1 Kc4 79.Nf2 Kb5 80.Rb1+ Kc4 81.Ne4 Ra3 82.Nd2+ Kd5 83.Rh1 a4 84.Rh5+ Kd4 85.Rh4+ Kc5 86.Kd1 Kb5 87.Kc2 Rg3 88.Ne4 Rg2+ 89.Kd3 a3 90.Nc3+ Kb6 91.Ra4 a2 92.Nxa2 Rg3+ 93.Kc2 Rg2+ 94.Kb3 Rg3+ 95.Nc3 Rh3 96.Rb4+ Kc7 97.Rg4 Rh7 98.Kc4 Rf7 99.Rg5 Kb6 100.Na4+ Kc7 101.Kc5 Kd7 102.Kb6 Rf1 103.Nc5+ Ke7 104.Kxc6 Rd1 105.Rg6 Kf7 106.Rh6 Rg1 107.Kd5 Rg5+ 108.Kd4 Rg6 109.Rh1 Rg2 110.Ne4 Ra2 111.Rf1+ Ke7 112.Nc3 Rh2 113.Nd5+ Kd6 114.Rf6+ Kd7 115.Nf4 Rh1 116.Rg6 Rd1+ 117.Nd3 Ke7 118.Ra6 Kd7 119.Ke4 Ke7 120.Rc6 Kd7 121.Rc1 Rxc1 122.Nxc1 1/2-1/2 Jesus Christ. Anand doesn't play the opening convincingly, then reduces to an endgame down a piece for two pawns that he believes he knows how to draw but Carlsen can still press effectively for god damned ever. And so Carlsen did. And did. And did. PGN round 8 White: Anand Black: Carlsen 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.a3 Nc6 9.Qc2 Re8 10.Bg5 Be7 11.Rd1 Qa5 12.Bd3 h6 13.Bh4 dxc4 14.Bxc4 a6 15.O-O b5 16.Ba2 Bb7 17.Bb1 Rad8 18.Bxf6 Bxf6 19.Ne4 Be7 20.Nc5 Bxc5 21.Qxc5 b4 22.Rc1 bxa3 23.bxa3 Qxc5 24.Rxc5 Ne7 25.Rfc1 Rc8 26.Bd3 Red8 27.Rxc8 Rxc8 28.Rxc8+ Nxc8 29.Nd2 Nb6 30.Nb3 Nd7 31.Na5 Bc8 32.Kf1 Kf8 33.Ke1 Ke7 34.Kd2 Kd6 35.Kc3 Ne5 36.Be2 Kc5 37.f4 Nc6 38.Nxc6 Kxc6 39.Kd4 f6 40.e4 Kd6 41.e5+ 1/2-1/2 A very fast draw and, after getting a nice looking opening, not a good showing from Anand. I wonder if this was the effect of the marathon the day before and he was merely out of steam.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:13
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I wish there was a VOD of round 7's live coverage so I could experience the marathon as it happened.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:35
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Josh Lyman posted:I wish there was a VOD of round 7's live coverage so I could experience the marathon as it happened. It seems to be all here? http://www.sochi2014.fide.com/video-archive/
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Nov 20, 2014 08:45
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uXs posted:It seems to be all here? http://www.sochi2014.fide.com/video-archive/
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Nov 20, 2014 08:51
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Josh Lyman posted:I wish there was a VOD of round 7's live coverage so I could experience the marathon as it happened. What makes it worse is the first 30 moves were played very quickly as they were just playing the main line.
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Nov 20, 2014 08:51
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V for Vegas posted:What makes it worse is the first 30 moves were played very quickly as they were just playing the main line. Yeah. Leaves me very curious as to what Anand's strategy was. Maybe he was super confident he could hold the endgame and had this in his pocket as a "need a draw no matter what, no matter how unpelasant" line but you'd think there'd be a better option for that than going down a piece. Speaking of Berlins, we have another one today but Anand is making things a little more interesting. Anand largely broke theory with 12...Ba6, and 13...Bb7 is a total novelty. What's interesting is that by virtue of Bb7, doubly so if Carlsen does what the computer recommends and plays b3-Bb2, will have a completely different dynamic from the previous game. I wonder if Anand is playing for an opposite coloured bishop endgame.
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Nov 20, 2014 13:39
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Well that was something alright.
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Nov 20, 2014 14:03
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V for Vegas posted:Well that was something alright.  White: Carlsen Black: Anand 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. h3 Ke8 10. Nc3 h5 11. Ne2 b6 12. Rd1 Ba6 13. Nf4 Bb7 14. e6 Bd6 15. exf7+ Kxf7 16. Ng5+ Kf6 17. Ne4+ Kf7 18. Ng5+ Kf6 19. Ne4+ Kf7 20. Ng5+ 1/2-1/2
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Nov 20, 2014 15:32
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gently caress the Berlin. 90% of those games end up in draws that I don't understand. Everyone please start playing 4. d3.
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Nov 20, 2014 15:39
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In other news, Quackamura actually beat Aronian in the first game in the Showdown in Saint Louis (it's actually possible to come up with a worse name than 'Millionaire Chess'). Not looking so good in game 2 though.
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Before Game 11 starts, lets get up a PGN of game 10 White: Anand Black: Carlsen 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 O-O 7.e4 Na6 8.Be2 c5 9.d5 e6 10.O-O exd5 11.exd5 Re8 12.Bg5 h6 13.Be3 Bf5 14.Rad1 Ne4 15.Nxe4 Bxe4 16.Qc1 Qf6 17.Bxh6 Qxb2 18.Qxb2 Bxb2 19.Ng5 Bd4 20.Nxe4 Rxe4 21.Bf3 Re7 22.d6 Rd7 23.Bf4 Nb4 24.Rd2 Re8 25.Rc1 Re6 26.h4 Be5 27.Bxe5 Rxe5 28.Bxb7 Rxb7 29.d7 Nc6 30.d8=Q+ Nxd8 31.Rxd8+ Kg7 32.Rd2 1/2-1/2 This was quite an interesting game, and ultimately a frustrating one from the perspective of broader match strategy. Anand roughly followed his previous win, quickly establishing a passed pawn. However, this game was Wojtaszek's baby so Anand played the somewhat suspicious 12.Bg5 and 13.Be3. There is an idea behind that (h6 is weakened for Qc1) but it ultimately isn't a good one. Carlsen just gave up that weakened pawn to take on b2 and leave white without enough pieces to break black's hold on d4. This is at least the second game (the round 6 loss being the other) where Anand has transparently been following the preparation of his seconds and been worse for it.
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Nov 23, 2014 13:06
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 This is game is looking pretty awesome right now. Anand sacrificing a pawn to make the game interesting.
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Nov 23, 2014 15:24
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Oh boy this is getting good. Rooting for Vishy in the name of drama and intrigue.
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Nov 23, 2014 15:39
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Anand just sacrificed an exchange out of nowhere. Uh, wow. Svidler giving an interesting reduction on the position right now.
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This game is the coolest one so far. Well, anand just threw it away but it was cool before then. Closed positions are brutal.
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