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Blueberry Pancakes posted:You know, I really hate that Recovery Girl tells Deku outright that she's not going to heal him anymore if he's going to continue being reckless with his arms, and instead of learning a lesson, Deku winds up meeting Eri purely so he can keep getting healed despite his recklessness. Well, that's because the manga itself switched gears from "killing yourself in the process of being heroic isn't actually a good thing" to having almost every major character repeatedly blow themselves to pieces in moments of suicidal heroism.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:You know, I really hate that Recovery Girl tells Deku outright that she's not going to heal him anymore if he's going to continue being reckless with his arms, and instead of learning a lesson, Deku winds up meeting Eri purely so he can keep getting healed despite his recklessness.
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Apr 15, 2024 11:45
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presumably this is the last time since the mangas ending in 3 chapters (said hopefully)
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Apr 15, 2024 12:11
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this is how he became the greatest hero. arms fall off boy
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Apr 15, 2024 16:48
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I think that character died in the intro to the latest suicide movie.
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Izuku guest stars in the Suicide Squad anime, having vastly misunderstood the premise
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Endorph posted:presumably this is the last time since the mangas ending in 3 chapters (said hopefully) maybe last chapter will reveal this was all just a dream as deku's being choked out by the sludge villain, allmight saves him and tells him he's a brave lad then flies off.
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Nuebot posted:maybe last chapter will reveal this was all just a dream as deku's being choked out by the sludge villain, allmight saves him and tells him he's a brave lad then flies off. Please let this be true. It would be the single greatest shonen ending of all time. Second only to it being revealed that Deku was the adult from the one-shot and this was all a dream he had before the events of the one-shot unfolded.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:You know, I really hate that Recovery Girl tells Deku outright that she's not going to heal him anymore if he's going to continue being reckless with his arms, and instead of learning a lesson, Deku winds up meeting Eri purely so he can keep getting healed despite his recklessness. I remember how MHA started off by saying self-sacrifice isn't cool; there are actual consequences to self-sacrifice. Now, self-sacrifice is back in fashion!
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Apr 17, 2024 04:55
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If I wanted a cohesive message, I wouldn't be reading shonen.
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Apr 17, 2024 05:20
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If you were paying attention you'd see that, somehow, All for One warped the spirit of heroism and messed up everyone's perception of self-sacrifice and self-destruction. It's referenced in the chapter where he goes "grr" and again when he goes "oof" and really I shouldn't have to explain it.
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Apr 17, 2024 05:39
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I think the "Killing yourself is bad" thing is still present given that the the idea mentioned a few times is that Deku doesn't give you the "Oh he's gonna take care of it" feeling that All Might did, but rather that he makes everyone want to help.
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Apr 17, 2024 13:02
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The origin of the "recklessness is bad" thing was Deku either putting himself in situations where he himself would need to be rescued(slime guy pre-ofa) or using his powers in a way that permanently damages him or puts him in mortal danger(everything post-OfA). This was considered excessive, unnecessary behavior because he was pretty much the only one doing it. That's not the case anymore. Basically every hero in this arc has recklessly pushed themselves to the brink of death(or literally beyond, in the case of Bakugo), some of them more than once. Mirko in particular is so reckless that she's a multiple amputee at this point and had to have a briefcase full of replacement limbs on standby when she went into battle again. Eri, the actual, factual child, just got lightly scolded by Aizawa for recklessly harming herself in a way that might permanently damage her quirk(and it will probably turn out to have been instrumental for the win since it's giving Deku his arms back). "Reckless, suicidal heroism is bad" is no longer a present theme when every single character on panel repeatedly has to resort to reckless, suicidal heroism on a constant basis spanning into years; reckless, suicidal heroism is just normal hero stuff now. Kanos fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Apr 17, 2024 13:58
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Deku's early acts of reckless self-harm were bad because he was doing it to win at gym glass.
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Apr 17, 2024 14:05
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shigaraki save us from this era of toxic heroism
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Kanos posted:The origin of the "recklessness is bad" thing was Deku either putting himself in situations where he himself would need to be rescued(slime guy pre-ofa) or using his powers in a way that permanently damages him or puts him in mortal danger(everything post-OfA). This was considered excessive, unnecessary behavior because he was pretty much the only one doing it. That's not the case anymore. You know what's also not the case anymore? Minor consequences if you happen to lose. If Deku doesn't break his fingers fighting Shoto, oh well, he loses a tournament. If they don't go full force at the genocidal maniac trying to kill everyone then everyone dies. Like yeah, every character has gone full out balls to the walls reckless willing to kill themselves to win. They are also in a battle of survival, losing also means they die.
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the kids were screaming that suicidal recklessness was essential to heroism way back in the joint training arc
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An action is only considered reckless if the consequences aren't proportionate to the risk involved. Right now pretty much nothing counts as reckless because there's an existential threat going on.
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Onmi posted:You know what's also not the case anymore? Minor consequences if you happen to lose. If Deku doesn't break his fingers fighting Shoto, oh well, he loses a tournament. If they don't go full force at the genocidal maniac trying to kill everyone then everyone dies. Like yeah, every character has gone full out balls to the walls reckless willing to kill themselves to win. They are also in a battle of survival, losing also means they die. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense plot-wise, because it does. I'm saying that "don't be reckless" is something the manga has given a poo poo about for a long time. The manga made a couple of hand waves at "hey deku maybe you shouldn't blow your arms up when you fight, it's not good" and then proceeded to put him and every other hero character in an endless series of scenarios where they blow their bodies to smithereens on a semi-constant basis for the rest of the manga.
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Kanos posted:I'm not saying it doesn't make sense plot-wise, because it does.
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The original main message is that self-sacrifice is detrimental to being a hero, either in that your self-sacrifice becomes vain or a liability, or you lessen your ability to be save others in the future. When Deku broke his fingers in order to crack Shoto out of his depressive demeanor in the tournament, the permanent scars on his arms were his final warning not to do it again, and when he did, the domino effect started with Bakugo getting kidnapped, leading All Might to retire. Fast forward a few hundred chapters, heroes lopping off their limbs have become the norm, and now, some of them get their limbs back (in a way); Bakugo even got a second life. There are still consequences (sometimes) to their actions, but main message is now moot even how laissez faire all the heroes have become. If anything, it is ironic that Aizawa, having lost an eye and a leg, is presently standing there, restoring Deku's arms from Eri potentially self sacrificing her quirk. Basically, "how can you be a hero if you cannot save yourself?" becomes "all the cool kids hurt themselves for the greater good"
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Mirko Ship-of-Theseusing herself so hard that she lost 6 legs in one fight was pretty wild.
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I like that Aizawa can just hop around on his stump like Kyros
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It reflects the perspective of hero society; in the past if a hero can handle the villain at hand, they go for it. If they can't handle them, wait for a hero that can. Now things are more dire, heroes have quit en masse, and the remaining heroes can't wait for someone else to Pokemon element a villain.
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The moral is that Stain was right.
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Deku's reckless plan to "save" Shigaraki has resulted in Shiggy's soul seemingly being destroyed, All For One coming back from the dead, Deku losing his quirk ghosts, his extra quirks, and his hands, and he needed his teacher to show up with a horn ripped out of a little girl's head to bail him out. I'm not sure any of this is really showing reckless self-sacrifice in a good light.
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Need to see an epilogue where Eri has grown a horn 20 feet long in the hopes of bringing back peak All Might before he passes
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Do they have a solid counter to Gloop Warp yet?
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Rhonne posted:Deku's reckless plan to "save" Shigaraki has resulted in Shiggy's soul seemingly being destroyed, All For One coming back from the dead, Deku losing his quirk ghosts, his extra quirks, and his hands, and he needed his teacher to show up with a horn ripped out of a little girl's head to bail him out. Like, genuine question, are you going to be really shocked in like 3 chapters when it turns out Deku was right all along and Shigaraki breaks free by symbolically overcoming the bad guy inside his head? I know it's a weekly manga but I don't think it is a huge spoiler to say "Shigaraki's soul will be rescued from within AFO so that he can symbolically overcome the man who ruined his life." That is going to happen. It might happen in a dumb way like he gets reborn as a fresh toddler or something because that happens, but I don't think anyone reading this thread is really of the belief that Deku Failed Forever And Thus Will Never Succeed.
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Rhonne posted:Deku's reckless plan to "save" Shigaraki has resulted in Shiggy's soul seemingly being destroyed, All For One coming back from the dead, Deku losing his quirk ghosts, his extra quirks, and his hands, and he needed his teacher to show up with a horn ripped out of a little girl's head to bail him out. yeah but the manga is never going to present this as Deku loving up lol
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ImpAtom posted:Like, genuine question, are you going to be really shocked in like 3 chapters when it turns out Deku was right all along and Shigaraki breaks free by symbolically overcoming the bad guy inside his head? I know it's a weekly manga but I don't think it is a huge spoiler to say "Shigaraki's soul will be rescued from within AFO so that he can symbolically overcome the man who ruined his life." That is going to happen. It might happen in a dumb way like he gets reborn as a fresh toddler or something because that happens, but I don't think anyone reading this thread is really of the belief that Deku Failed Forever And Thus Will Never Succeed. Oh yeah. I know Shigaraki is going to come back somehow, but I don't think however they do it will be in any way satisfying.
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Tbf to Deku destroying Shigaraki’s soul from the inside is pretty much the only way the heroes can win at this point. No way anyone’s beating him in a fight at this point, and you can’t exactly talk it out with him. It’s all the fault of the bad writing and plot contrivances of course, but this is what we have to work with now
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Gonna say that "it makes sense with the plot" is not a great standard for writing. "I can understand what is happening" does not a writing make good lol
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syntaxfunction posted:Gonna say that "it makes sense with the plot" is not a great standard for writing. "I can understand what is happening" does not a writing make good lol Considering how some manga get in the endgame, that low bar still puts it above the average.
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