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Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW
Reasons why I will never respect academia case #87361652:

quote:

LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Unified School District Friday was facing criticism over how the district handled a student sexual assault case involving one of their teachers.

CBS Los Angeles reports that in the civil case at question, their attorneys argued a 14-year-old student was mature enough to consent to sex with her middle school math teacher.

Elkis Hermida, a teacher at Thomas Edison Middle School, was convicted of lewd acts against a child and sentenced in July 2011 to three years in state prison.

The student then filed the case to seek financial compensation from the LAUSD stating she suffered emotional trauma from the six-month relationship with Hermida, according to Southern California Public Radio station KPCC.

During the trial, L.A. Unified's attorney W. Keith Wyatt introduced the girl's sexual history and argued she bore some of the responsibility.

The judge ruled in favor of the district.

"Why is it her fault that she planned on having sex with her teacher? That she lied to her mother so she could have an opportunity to have sex with her teacher," Wyatt said in a radio interview with KPCC. "That she went to a motel in which she engaged in voluntary consensual sex with her teacher. Why shouldn't she be responsible for that?"

KPCC reports the girl's lawyer is appealing the case

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/l-a-school-district-girl-14-mature-enough-to-consent-to-sex-with-teacher/

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Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



bet that attorney isn't in mensa.

Coffee Mugshot
Jun 26, 2010

by Lowtax
She might've wanted it, but he probably shouldn't have gave it to her imo

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



although he is trying to deny the rape of a child
- which would suggest he is prob a chld rapist
- which would suggest he is a sa mod
- which would suggest he is in mensa

What a dilemma

Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW

Voted Worst Mom posted:

She might've wanted it, but he probably shouldn't have gave it to her imo

In no jurisdiction in the US can a 14 year old legally "want it".

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Ratjaculation posted:

bet that attorney isn't in mensa.
he won, so looks like he is.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx
sounds like your problem rests with the criminal justice system imho

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



TenementFunster posted:

he won, so looks like he is.

i figured it out in my follow up post

Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW

comes along bort posted:

sounds like your problem rests with the criminal justice system imho

It was the civil case that this article refers to, not the criminal one. He was still sentenced to three years in prison, but she didn't get any cash money for being raped.

Death By Yogurt
Apr 3, 2007

how hot is the math teacher?

Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW

Death By Yogurt posted:

how hot is the math teacher?

There is a picture of him in the article you dolt.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Apthous posted:

There is a picture of him in the article you dolt.

i thought that was the articles author?

im not in mensa

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010

Voted Worst Mom posted:

She might've wanted it, but he probably shouldn't have gave it to her imo

Libelous Slander
May 1, 2009

... you're just creepy ...

Apthous posted:

There is a picture of him in the article you dolt.

would

Starving Autist
Oct 20, 2007

by Ralp
Kinda hosed up that they made those arguments, but the idea that the school itself should be held liable for that guys actions is kinda dumb.

Fart.Bleed.Repeat.
Sep 29, 2001

if you want it here it is come n get it

Unbelievably Fat Man
Jun 1, 2000

Innocent people. I could never hurt innocent people.


that lawyer must be straight lollin'. or lolin' as the case may be

Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW
One of these guys is a famous porn star. The other is a guy who likes to gently caress his 14 year old math students. Guess which one is which:

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010

Ableist Kinkshamer posted:

Kinda hosed up that they made those arguments, but the idea that the school itself should be held liable for that guys actions is kinda dumb.

I would also sue for emotional damages. Beats getting a job and working the rest of your life.

lonesomedwarf
Mar 22, 2010

Apthous posted:

One of these guys is a famous porn star. The other is a guy who likes to gently caress his 14 year old math students. Guess which one is which:



is it a trick question

Cardiovorax
Jun 5, 2011

I mean, if you're a successful actress and you go out of the house in a skirt and without underwear, knowing that paparazzi are just waiting for opportunities like this and that it has happened many times before, then there's really nobody you can blame for it but yourself.

Apthous posted:

In no jurisdiction in the US can a 14 year old legally "want it".
By what logic is "she wanted it" a legal defense for breaking the law, anyway? Even if she did, it'd at best be a mitigating circumstance.

PixieDreamGirl
Apr 29, 2014

2014; The year I whored myself out for title changes.

Yo, I don't care what y'all do,how y'all do or where y'all do it, just keep it gangsta and never pay for an av change, have someone else do it- Ya boy Pixie

lonesomedwarf posted:

is it a trick question

They're both gross. I don't do guys with short hair and puffy eyes.

Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW

Cardiovorax posted:

By what logic is "she wanted it" a legal defense for breaking the law, anyway? Even if she did, it'd at best be a mitigating circumstance.

The legal definition of non consensual is that a person either says no, or is in a state in which their ability to make a decision whether to do something or not is compromised.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

lonesomedwarf posted:

is it a trick question

both of them are going to star in an anal scene soon

Business Octopus
Jun 27, 2005

Me IRL
Wow, where were all the hot math teachers dtf when I was a 14 yo girl. Not fair

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Friendly Tumour posted:

both of them are going to star in an anal scene soon

Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW

Friendly Tumour posted:

both of them are going to star in an anal scene soon

He was convicted to 3 years in 2011 he is probably out of prison now.

Starving Autist
Oct 20, 2007

by Ralp

Cardiovorax posted:

By what logic is "she wanted it" a legal defense for breaking the law, anyway? Even if she did, it'd at best be a mitigating circumstance.

The school didn't break any laws, though. The rapist did, and is going to jail. They aren't defending against charges that they broke the law, they're defending against the accusation that they're responsible for it. If they have to use bullshit arguments to fend off a bullshit accusation, I'm kind of ok with it.

Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW

Ableist Kinkshamer posted:

The school didn't break any laws, though. The rapist did, and is going to jail. They aren't defending against charges that they broke the law, they're defending against the accusation that they're responsible for it. If they have to use bullshit arguments to fend off a bullshit accusation, I'm kind of ok with it.

The article talks about the offense taken at the reasons used by the school's lawyers to defend themselves in civil court which basically amount to "the victim is a good for nothing slut". When people talk about sexual abuse victims being re-abused by the courts this is exactly what they are talking about. I can understand maybe using the "good for nothing slut" defense when you are talking about someone who is of age, but this poor girl was 14.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Apthous posted:

He was convicted to 3 years in 2011 he is probably out of prison now.

though prison will forever remain plastered to the inner walls of his rectum

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Ableist Kinkshamer posted:

The school didn't break any laws, though.
this isn't a criminal suit against the school

Libelous Slander
May 1, 2009

... you're just creepy ...

Friendly Tumour posted:

though prison will forever remain plastered to the inner walls of his rectum

lol prison rape am i right

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Libelous Slander posted:

lol prison rape am i right

lol urrite

Starving Autist
Oct 20, 2007

by Ralp

Apthous posted:

The article talks about the offense taken at the reasons used by the school's lawyers to defend themselves in civil court which basically amount to "the victim is a good for nothing slut". When people talk about sexual abuse victims being re-abused by the courts this is exactly what they are talking about. I can understand maybe using the "good for nothing slut" defense when you are talking about someone who is of age, but this poor girl was 14.

If these arguments were being made in the criminal trial against the rapist, I'd agree. The claim that the school is responsible for the rape is just as full of poo poo as the claim that she was asking for it. Maybe in the future she'll think twice before filing another frivolous lawsuit.

NakedWithCandy
Sep 22, 2014
~nice~ Man where were all these teachers when I was in school. amiright?

Starving Autist
Oct 20, 2007

by Ralp

TenementFunster posted:

this isn't a criminal suit against the school

That post was response to someone who seemed to think it was, so we're in agreement?

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug
If we let 12 year olds consent to murder we obviously should let 14 year olds consent to sex.

Sephiroth_IRA
Mar 31, 2010

Ableist Kinkshamer posted:

If these arguments were being made in the criminal trial against the rapist, I'd agree. The claim that the school is responsible for the rape is just as full of poo poo as the claim that she was asking for it. Maybe in the future she'll think twice before filing another frivolous lawsuit.

If the school hired someone else this wouldn't have happened. :colbert:

Business Octopus
Jun 27, 2005

Me IRL
Nice

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Apthous
Nov 2, 2014

by XyloJW

Ableist Kinkshamer posted:

If these arguments were being made in the criminal trial against the rapist, I'd agree. The claim that the school is responsible for the rape is just as full of poo poo as the claim that she was asking for it. Maybe in the future she'll think twice before filing another frivolous lawsuit.

I don't think it is appropriate in any court, civil or criminal, to suggest a 14 year old's sexual history lets the accused off the hook. This is not glorious Nippon where the 14 year olds flow like wine and are all fully emotionally developed adults, this is the real world.

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