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Apthous posted:Not an apology for the actions of the teacher or the actions of the school district during the event, but the legal defense used afterwords. they did nothing wrong as shown by the lack of an apology.
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Apthous posted:They should be involved in the defense that their hired lawyers are using, and aware of the basic idea of what they will say in court. Again, this is not a private entity and should be held to a higher standard than an individual person. If indeed they were not involved in what defense their lawyers were using and just let them do their thing, then they should have at least offered an apology afterwords and there is no evidence that they did that at all. Maybe you should be more upset with the judge than the school or lawyers since he obviously agreed that a 14 year old can be a "slut" and probably used that info to make his decision.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:15
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Soarer posted:I don't see the difference. Schools are already having financial issues all over the country. Maybe if they didn't act like little indigent shits when someone dares question them and resort to name calling, politicians would be more willing to give them increased funding. Another case of winning the battle but losing the war. Barrista posted:Maybe you should be more upset with the judge than the school or lawyers since he obviously agreed that a 14 year old can be a "slut" and probably used that info to make his decision. Everyone acted like a loving retard in this situation: The lawyer, the school system, and judge for allowing that type of defense.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:16
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are schools get more funding per student than most countries, funding isn't the problem, it's not having a hard curriculum, or any penalty for failing.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:18
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:edit: Also the teacher is a pedophile. Wait for it... wait for it... Oh, he is not! I mean, I'm pretty sure he's not a teacher anymore.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:18
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Since the offense happened in 2011, the girl is probably 17-18 now. I bet the case would have had a chance of swinging her way if it was closer to when she was 14. I would be curious if some of the slut shaming was based of sexual encounters after the fact, and one would have to ask if her having sex with a teacher was not a catalyst for that behavior in the long run. Either way, at least the dude went to jail. Sucks for her though.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:18
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Apthous posted:judge for allowing that type of defense. Seriously, are you 13?
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Nov 14, 2014 17:19
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Apthous posted:I haven't been arguing about whether or not the school should be responsible, I actually don't think they should be unless they had reasonable suspicion to believe he was a pedophile. My problem is with the legal defense that they either allowed or didn't apologize about. Apthous posted:This was a public entity defending itself, not an individual person.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:19
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TOILETLORD posted:are schools get more funding per student than most countries, funding isn't the problem, it's not having a hard curriculum, or any penalty for failing. Maybe it is a culture problem where they see no problem with calling a 14 year old a whore when someone dares question them.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:20
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Apthous posted:It was the civil case that this article refers to, not the criminal one. He was still sentenced to three years in prison, but she didn't get any cash money for being raped. i dunno an art teacher at the middle school i went to got ten years for a fully consensual relationship with a 13 year old boy which they carried on for several years. 3 years seems a little light
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Nov 14, 2014 17:21
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Apthous posted:Maybe if they didn't act like little indigent shits when someone dares question them and resort to name calling, politicians would be more willing to give them increased funding. Another case of winning the battle but losing the war.  I'm not sure where this is even going anymore. First the school district are dicks because their lawyers brought up some facts that convinced the judge they weren't at fault, now all school districts are run by rear end holes and thats why they have funding issues.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:21
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ArbitraryC posted:Well I controlled f and searched for whore and slut in the article and came up empty. Unless they're using old timey slurs like strumpet then I think at no point did the lawyers call a 14 year old girl a slut. Instead it seems like Apthous just made the connection between "she willingly pursued a sexual relationship" and "she's a slut" and then projected their view on everyone else.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:21
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Apthous posted:Maybe it is a culture problem where they see no problem with calling a 14 year old a whore when someone dares question them. most 14 year olds are taught to be whore's by schools, so i don;t get your point, they give 12 year olds condoms now and tell em it's okay to have sex.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:21
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Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, judges should just throw out any defense they find distasteful. Sounds like a win for our legal system. Here is how it works. Defense: My client should be excused from murder charges because the victim is a friend of the family and niggers aren't people. Prosecution: Objection Judge: Sustained
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Nov 14, 2014 17:22
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^^^ haha, you are dumb. The guy wasn't let off the hook. He is in prison. Apthous posted:Maybe it is a culture problem where they see no problem with calling a 14 year old a whore when someone dares question them. Please quote the whore part as it appears you are the only one saying it.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:22
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Apthous posted:Here is how it works. that works if they are an immigrant from africa or a poor island nation.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:23
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Goons try way too hard to get outraged about teenage-adult sex to show how not-pedo they are.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:23
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Leon Einstein posted:^^^ The article refers to the civil case.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:25
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LethalGeek posted:Goons try way too hard to get outraged about teenage-adult sex to show how not-pedo they are. for some reason they love muslims even though they are religious pedos HTH.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:25
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smells like gbs 1.0 in here im going to sue the op for making this gay rear end thread
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Nov 14, 2014 17:26
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this muslim mexican rapist did nothing wrong
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Nov 14, 2014 17:26
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sexy young infidel posted:this muslim mexican rapist did nothing wrong yeah well, we're going to blame you for it
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Nov 14, 2014 17:27
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Leon Einstein posted:Not alway. 12 year olds are adults if they stab their friend. Oh yeah, there's a little sub-switch next to the Moral Compass that says 'Murder Is Wrong' that God usually flips on your 12th birthday, but sometimes He forgets to use the full weight of His beatific finger.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:28
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Friendly Tumour posted:yeah well, we're going to blame you for it white mans laws might lock me up, but the traditional blankets of my people are forever
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Nov 14, 2014 17:28
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Apthous posted:The article refers to the civil case.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:29
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The difference between murder and sex is murder is simple, sex can be complicated. That is why a minor can be charged with murder and not able to consent to sex.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:29
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Cardiovorax posted:It's a hidden insult and trying to paint the girl as not deserving of pity. Nobody except you is willing to pretend that this is not a common and well-known strategy to discredit rape victims. Saying that was a willing participant in the encounter when she was in fact a willing participant is not slut shaming and it's a huge stretch to read it like that.
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Nov 14, 2014 17:30
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Wait, did they actually bring up her promiscuity or just her consent to sex?
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Nov 14, 2014 17:33
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what if she had a psychosexual hold over this poor math teacher and now he's the one paying the price if you say it isnt possible then you're sexist
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Nov 14, 2014 17:34
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ArbitraryC posted:Saying that was a willing participant in the encounter when she was in fact a willing participant is not slut shaming and it's a huge stretch to read it like that. So yeah, it's not a stretch in the slightest. Mercrom posted:Wait, did they actually bring up her promiscuity or just her consent to sex?
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Nov 14, 2014 17:40
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"academia" lol
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Nov 14, 2014 17:51
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Novo posted:"macademia" lol
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Nov 14, 2014 17:52
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I think that attorney owns lol
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Nov 14, 2014 17:57
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Apthous posted:The difference between murder and sex is murder is simple, sex can be complicated. That is why a minor can be charged with murder and not able to consent to sex. Lol u must be a murder virgin if u think murder is simple. It's actually very complicated, need to ensure no witnesses, have a good alibi, dispose of the body, etc
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Nov 14, 2014 18:03
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They're not arguing that the girl was a dirty dirty whore. The family is arguing trauma, and the defense is arguing that since the girl actively pursued the relationship, there was no trauma.
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Nov 14, 2014 18:07
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Business Octopus posted:Lol u must be a murder virgin if u think murder is simple. It's actually very complicated, need to ensure no witnesses, have a good alibi, dispose of the body, etc not in a ghetto no one cares unless the police are watching you do it.
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Nov 14, 2014 18:08
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jiharlequinade posted:They're not arguing that the girl was a dirty dirty whore. The family is arguing trauma, and the defense is arguing that since the girl actively pursued the relationship, there was no trauma. Not quite, they are arguing that the school had nothing to do with her trauma and thus should not be libel for paying her for it.
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Nov 14, 2014 18:11
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Soarer posted:Not quite, they are arguing that the school had nothing to do with her trauma and thus should not be libel for paying her for it. I am pretty sure they are also arguing that the OP has an almost infantile understanding of the legal system.
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Apthous posted:The difference between murder and sex is murder is simple, sex can be complicated. That is why a minor can be charged with murder and not able to consent to sex. Children can consent to sex if it involves children their own age. The point where consent actually becomes complicated is when the power dynamic is skewed.
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