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To be fair, in my experience lots of religious people have negative views of the irreligious that distort their perceptions as well. I don't think that the impulse of an atheist to "convert" a Christian is meaningfully different from a Christian's attempt to convert an atheist, in other words.
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in heaven, everything is fine. you have got your good things, and I've got mine.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:12
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down with slavery posted:He's right for calling people stupid that throw up critiques straight from junior high school. Wait, what? down with slavery posted:I disagree. The root of the problem is that many of the posters on this board have such a negative view of religion it distorts their ability to make a worthwhile critique Its almost like there's not reason for them to have a negative view of most religions  drilldo squirt posted:God being real is just a bonus. And there he goes again...
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Nov 16, 2014 21:12
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emfive posted:Well I can understand why it must seem like that, but please consider that the reliance on faith seems pretty robotic to those who don't have it. It misses the point.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:12
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emfive posted:To be fair, in my experience lots of religious people have negative views of the irreligious that distort their perceptions as well. It's super annoying.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:13
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drilldo squirt posted:It misses the point. What misses what point? It would be much easier to carry on a discussion if you'd be a little bit more generous with the wording of your thoughts. I honestly have no idea what you mean by that post. [edit] Similarly, what is super annoying? Atheists bugging Christians with fossils? I can imagine that's true; how do you think an atheist feels when a Jehovah's Witness rings the doorbell?
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Nov 16, 2014 21:14
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drilldo squirt posted:It misses the point. CommieGIR posted:No, because you are suggesting that because I do not buy into your faith, I must be wrong while at the same time demanding me to accept your premise that god is real. Waiting on why we should buy this premise from you without your personal faith, and yet WE'RE the stupid ones. drilldo squirt posted:God being real is just a bonus. Robot!
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I don't know about most people but for you it's because you are very insecure in yourself and seeing other people as sheep helps.
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CommieGIR posted:Arguments created by the movie God is not Dead actually don't hold much water. I want Michael Bay to direct the sequel. It would save everyone a lot of time coming up with ways to mock it. drilldo squirt posted:I don't know about most people but for you it's because you are very insecure in yourself and seeing other people as sheep helps. And this is the part at which you overplayed your hand. Good job trolling the thread otherwise, though.
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CommieGIR posted:Its almost like there's not reason for them to have a negative view of most religions There really isn't. The kneejerk atheist response to any religious discussion is annoying to anyone who's actually thought about faith and religion for more than two months. Like I said, I think religion gets a much worse rap from most western liberals than it deserves. Is there a societal institution you think has done better? emfive posted:To be fair, in my experience lots of religious people have negative views of the irreligious that distort their perceptions as well. Fair, but it doesn't make either of them any less stupid.
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drilldo squirt posted:I don't know about most people but for you it's because you are very insecure in yourself and seeing other people as sheep helps. Did I call you a sheep? No. I asked you why you are calling us stupid for not accepting your premise without your personal faith. Technogeek posted:I want Michael Bay to direct the sequel. It would save everyone a lot of time coming up with ways to mock it. EXPLOSIONS! God is real! EXPLOSIONS! down with slavery posted:There really isn't. The kneejerk atheist response to any religious discussion is annoying to anyone who's actually thought about faith and religion for more than two months. Like I said, I think religion gets a much worse rap from most western liberals than it deserves. Is there a societal institution you think has done better? I hear ISIS is actually a kind bunch of souls, the 100 years war was actually a big picnic, the Crusades were just Muslim and Christian get-togethers, and Israeli/Palestinian bickering is just a huge misunderstanding. They obviously burned the Library of Alexandria because they ran out of firewood.
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CommieGIR posted:Did I call you a sheep? No. I asked you why you are calling us stupid for not accepting your premise without your personal faith. I'm calling you stupid for other reasons dude, read the thread please.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:16
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CommieGIR posted:I asked you why you are calling us stupid http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3681766&userid=102030
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We don't need evidence of weapons of mass destruction to take action. You can take it on faith that they have the w m ds, probably hidden beneath their turbans or burkas whatever they wear.
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down with slavery posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3681766&userid=102030 Yeah.
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down with slavery posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3681766&userid=102030 "God is Real. Deal with it DnD" is still his opening salvo. And we're stupid for not accepting it. Right. drilldo squirt posted:Yeah. Man, if only we had your FAITH 
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Ardennes posted:Granted, we aren't really talking about developed or undeveloped jurisprudence but how it is formed in the first place. You can say as time as gone on this developed has "unraveled" but I believe in part it of an evolution of the process. That's the issue, isn't it? Organized religion which will survive on the mezzo-level without central state authority and be able to police its affairs with other faiths, while thriving and synergizing with developed political orders during times of state development, is hard to find in this world. In fact, there are very few that I can think of which do this. Hanifism collapsed with the collapse of centralized state authority and the exertion of foreign influence; foreign influence has a tendancy to always interact with a power vacuum, and has for all of recorded history. State authority waxes and wanes; the goal of religious institutional development must be to survive the periods of waning central authority while allowing adherants access to the necessary tools to continue jurisprudence and advance human development. CommieGIR posted:Okay, I'll give you that, I went overboard. Faith is a poor device for obedience. Far better to maintain an organized practice of religion on the basis of iterative evidence adjudicated within mature legalistic frameworks than it is to maintain organized practice the basis of faith; faith necessitates enforcement by central state authority in order to survive. Rodatose posted:in heaven, everything is fine. you have got your good things, and I've got mine. In the afterlife, the concepts of "yours" and "mine" do not apply; thus utopia can never be achieved on earth and all attempts at communism shall fail, for they attempt to merge the divine realm with the human. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Nov 16, 2014 21:19
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CommieGIR posted:"God is Real. Deal with it DnD" is still his opening salvo. I took the time to explain to you a few times why what you're doing is stupid. It was a joke post, obviously tongue in cheek, probably for the sole purpose of dragging idiots like you out of the wordwork. My Imaginary GF posted:Faith is a poor device for obedience. Far better to maintain an organized practice of religion on the basis of iterative evidence adjudicated within mature legalistic frameworks than it is to maintain organized practice the basis of faith; faith necessitates enforcement by central state authority in order to survive. Well isn't that a nice way of saying "I was wrong, but let me redefine the word to make myself right"
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CommieGIR posted:"God is Real. Deal with it DnD" is still his opening salvo. You're really stupid dude.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:20
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down with slavery posted:I took the time to explain to you a few times why what you're doing is stupid. It was a joke post, obviously tongue in cheek, probably for the sole purpose of dragging idiots like you out of the wordwork. I actually believe in submission to God.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:20
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Rodatose posted:What side would jesus christ take on the gamer gate issue All Jesus want's is ethics in video game journalism.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:21
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drilldo squirt posted:You're really stupid dude. Tell me more.down with slavery posted:I took the time to explain to you a few times why what you're doing is stupid. It was a joke post, obviously tongue in cheek, probably for the sole purpose of dragging idiots like you out of the wordwork. Obviously, that's why he keeps repeating it.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:21
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CommieGIR posted:Obviously, that's why he keeps repeating it. D&D truly is the easiest forum to troll.
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ThirdPartyView posted:D&D truly is the easiest forum to troll. Shut the gently caress up dude.
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ThirdPartyView posted:D&D truly is the easiest forum to troll. Truly, I guess we all showed up under the assumption that someone actually wanted to debate and discuss...
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ThirdPartyView posted:D&D truly is the easiest forum to troll. That sure makes it harder to actually have a debate or a discussion.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:23
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CommieGIR posted:Obviously, that's why he keeps repeating it. Honestly, it's not untrue. "Real" has a lot of different meanings and I'd suspect you're calling some things "real" on little more than faith as well. And yeah, DnD as a whole does need to deal with the fact that God/religion is a real thing in the world. CommieGIR posted:Truly, I guess we all showed up under the assumption that someone actually wanted to debate and discuss... It makes it hard when you ignore what I'm saying and just go for the lowest hanging fruit. Debate and discussion is there to be had... just... post better.
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CommieGIR posted:Truly, I guess we all showed up under the assumption that someone actually wanted to debate and discuss... I'd love to debate and discuss this with you but you don't seem like you know what your talking about and lash out whenever you are called on it.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:23
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down with slavery posted:"Real" has a lot of different meanings and I'd suspect you're calling some things "real" on little more than faith as well. Uh....huh.... drilldo squirt posted:I'd love to debate and discuss this with you but you don't seem like you know what your talking about and lash out whenever you are called on it. Because I've been calling you stupid this whole time, right?
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drilldo squirt posted:I actually believe in submission to God. I think you'd do well to educate yourself on the different levels of mitzvot. Charity from submission is the lowest form of mitzvot.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:24
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CommieGIR posted:Uh....huh.... Maybe try a basic philosophy class.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:24
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drilldo squirt posted:All Jesus want's is ethics in video game journalism. Where do you believe other major religious orders fall on the #GG spectrum? (excepting judaism, no need to say a word about it bc it's obvious)
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down with slavery posted:Maybe try a basic philosophy class. Philosophy actually does not make reality a premise of faith. Its nice to think about, but the physical and natural worlds still exist regardless of which philosophical school you chose. Its why science and philosophy have gone separate ways, and metaphysics is no longer a scientific school of thought.
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CommieGIR posted:Philosophy actually does not make reality a premise of faith. Its nice to think about, but the physical and natural worlds still exist regardless of which philosophical school you chose. Alright, let's start from square one. What is real? Bonus points: What is an axiom?
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down with slavery posted:I took the time to explain to you a few times why what you're doing is stupid. It was a joke post, obviously tongue in cheek, probably for the sole purpose of dragging idiots like you out of the wordwork. You still don't get it, do you? You can't just say "What you're doing is stupid," and declare yourself a winner. The first time someone says "Nu-uh," you'll end up beheading them to prevent anyone else from disagreeing. Alas, you're the real puppetmaster and all the world your stage. I take it on the basis of faith that belief in your ability to manipulate the currents of social affairs far exceeds the rest of D&D, and that you are a true and unique snowflake whose existance has meaning and greater purpose. down with slavery posted:Alright, let's start from square one. What is real? There are two realms of nature: That which is human, and that which is divine. Any concept which is "real" or could be perceived is distinctly within the realm of human nature. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:I think you'd do well to educate yourself on the different levels of mitzvot. Charity from submission is the lowest form of mitzvot. I'm Muslim I'm making an islam refrence. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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My Imaginary GF posted:You still don't get it, do you? You can't just say "What you're doing is stupid," and declare yourself a winner. The first time someone says "Nu-uh," you'll end up beheading them to prevent anyone else from disagreeing. I didn't just say "what you're doing is stupid" I explained why and he never responded to that part. quote:Alas, you're the real puppetmaster and all the world your stage. I take it on the basis of faith that belief in your ability to manipulate the currents of social affairs far exceeds the rest of D&D, and that you are a true and unique snowflake whose existance has meaning and greater purpose. ... you are an idiot. Like... not CommieGIR style where he's just a bit too worked up, but you just consistently espouse bad and/or stupid ideas like it's your job.
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