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I realize why Warner is listed as a bubble guy but I've never seen an article, a poll or even a random post on a message board that had him out.davecrazy posted:Morten Andersen deserves it but that is a loaded loving ballot. The NFL's all time scoring leader should be in the hall.
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Nov 19, 2014 05:16
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INSPECTAH DECK posted:I realize why Warner is listed as a bubble guy but I've never seen an article, a poll or even a random post on a message board that had him out. Are you kidding? Like half of the sports media wonders if he's a hofer. They'll say poo poo like well he'd be a lock if he'd beat the steelers but gosh darn it they're just such great blue collar guys who didn't pay off the refs and didn't interrupt the game with porno. So they'll concede he's a like, 2nd year ballot thing. On that note how is Jimmy Johnson not in? Edit: cards, bitch. 18-1
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Nov 19, 2014 05:19
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The only one I'm sure will get in is Pace, as he basically hits every check box imaginable for a hof career. Warner will get in eventually but I wouldn't be surprised if he missed his first ballot. Anyone from that list but Bettis and Lynch are fine with me. e: Oh Seau obviously getting in, even without the tragic suicide.
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Ramadu posted:On that note how is Jimmy Johnson not in? poo poo, he isn't? I would've guessed that at least his
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Marketing New Brain posted:The only one I'm sure will get in is Pace, as he basically hits every check box imaginable for a hof career. Warner will get in eventually but I wouldn't be surprised if he missed his first ballot. Anyone from that list but Bettis and Lynch are fine with me. Seau is the Lockiest Lock of that list.
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Nov 19, 2014 05:23
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Pace and Seau will get in no problem.
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Seau and Pace are the easiest locks. Seau is obvious, but Pace was part of the "Big 3" generational LTs alongside Walter Jones and Jonathan Ogden, and since both guys sailed in without a second thought I don't think Pace will have any trouble either.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Seau is the Lockiest Lock of that list. Yeah I didn't include him because like a few players (Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Peyton Manning . . .J.J. Watt) We all knew they were in while they were still playing and having productive careers.
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DO YALL WANT A HAM posted:It'll be a long time before Terrell Davis is inducted...if at all He'll never make it. I'd put him in tho, dude had an amazing peak and carried John Elway's corpse to the Superbowl, twice. e: I just looked at his stats, he really only had two amazing years, but they were super loving amazing. That 1998 season was pretty drat good. Yeah, I revise my previous opinion. He didn't play long enough to deserve it. davecrazy fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Nov 19, 2014 05:31
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TD is such an odd case. Should the Hall induct players who had an incredible peak, but no body of work? If so, there are a lot of short-lived players.
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DO YALL WANT A HAM posted:It'll be a long time before Terrell Davis is inducted...if at all He definitely had the peak part down, he just didn't last long at all. Well he was also running behind the dirtiest offensive line in recent memory but no one cares about that other than AFC West fans.
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Brannock posted:TD is such an odd case. Should the Hall induct players who had an incredible peak, but no body of work? If so, there are a lot of short-lived players. Put Dante Hall in imo.
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Brannock posted:TD is such an odd case. Should the Hall induct players who had an incredible peak, but no body of work? If so, there are a lot of short-lived players. Gonna unironically start a HOF campaign for Jevon Kearse
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Brannock posted:TD is such an odd case. Should the Hall induct players who had an incredible peak, but no body of work? If so, there are a lot of short-lived players.
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DO YALL WANT A HAM posted:People often bring up Gale Sayers when making a case for TD in the Hall but even that won't be enough. I just looked it up and drat their careers are pretty similar.
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I feel almost like TD would have had a better case if the Broncos hadn't been so good at finding backs after Davis.
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Marcus Allen had only three 1,000 yards seasons in his career, if he can get in so can Davis.
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Brannock posted:I feel almost like TD would have had a better case if the Broncos hadn't been so good at finding backs after Davis. That absolutely hurts him, much like running behind KC's offensive line downgrades Priest Holmes, and also gently caress Larry Johnson. Although in all honesty no one particularly talented emerged from that backfield other than Portis.
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Marketing New Brain posted:That absolutely hurts him, much like running behind KC's offensive line downgrades Priest Holmes, and also gently caress Larry Johnson. Although in all honesty no one particularly talented emerged from that backfield other than Portis. But what about Reuben Droughns
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Ramadu posted:Are you kidding? Like half of the sports media wonders if he's a hofer. They'll say poo poo like well he'd be a lock if he'd beat the steelers but gosh darn it they're just such great blue collar guys who didn't pay off the refs and didn't interrupt the game with porno. So they'll concede he's a like, 2nd year ballot thing.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:For that matter, how is Don Coryell not in? Because bullshit
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:But what about Reuben Droughns Legitimately had to look him up because I forgot if he was a scrub player or a scrub Clinton Portis identity.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Because bullshit
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Spoeank posted:Reminder that this happened the last time RG3 played the Niners Did the announcers ever mention that he was writhing in pain cause he got kneed in the nuts?
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AAA DOLFAN posted:I really am starting to understand why people can't stand this as advanced statistics crap Yeah, the cardinals RB on that chart was Robert Hughes, the FB who gets like one catch and 2 carries a game
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Yaws posted:Did the announcers ever mention that he was writhing in pain cause he got kneed in the nuts? I think there's sufficient 49ers precedent for ignoring ball pain: http://deadspin.com/vernon-davis-tackled-by-his-dick-1474538060 (he finished with 1 TD)
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Benne posted:Gonna unironically start a HOF campaign for Jevon Kearse Jevon, Eddie George, and McNair are they only reasons people should remember the Titans are an NFL team I rocked an accidental George jersey for a few years and I wasn't even a fan of the team Edit: the only cards jersey I have is a Boldin one, I miss that guy
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:For that matter, how is Don Coryell not in? because he didn't win anything
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Hot take, Cocksmith I just don't think a coach who ranks 34th in all time wins, 45th in winning %, 48th in playoff wins and 71st in playoff winning % deserves to go to the hall of fame.
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Cocksmith posted:I just don't think a coach who ranks 34th in all time wins, 45th in winning %, 48th in playoff wins and 71st in playoff winning % deserves to go to the hall of fame. Me arguing this at all makes me sound like a giant homer since he coached both the Chargers and Aztecs, but Don Coryell is the father of the modern day passing game. The hall of fame isn't just about numbers, it's about impact and importance, especially for a coach. Tons of coaches that DID win superbowls, including Bill Walsh, Tony Dungy, Dick Vermiel, etc, all credit Coryell's innovations and coaching style.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Me arguing this at all makes me sound like a giant homer since he coached both the Chargers and Aztecs, but Don Coryell is the father of the modern day passing game. The hall of fame isn't just about numbers, it's about impact and importance, especially for a coach. Tons of coaches that DID win superbowls, including Bill Walsh, Tony Dungy, Dick Vermiel, etc, all credit Coryell's innovations and coaching style. Just like the Ray Guy choice last year. Changing the game forever is absolutely worth a HoF bid.
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Chichevache posted:Just like the Ray Guy choice last year. Changing the game forever is absolutely worth a HoF bid. Exactly. Dude got Hang time to be an officially calculated thing.
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The fact that Ray Guy was held out of the Hall of Fame for so long is absolute bullshit.
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I'd personally say the Mel Blount rule changed the game more than Coryell. It wouldn't turn the HOF into a joke if he got in or anything but I just don't see him as a HOF caliber coach. Also Ray Guy shouldn't have gone in ahead of Kramer or Anderson and a few other guys but that's a whole other matter.Ostentatious posted:The fact that Ray Guy was held out of the Hall of Fame for so long is absolute bullshit. Cocksmith fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Cocksmith posted:That's the issue with the induction limit. He may have been deserving but it's hard to argue Guy was ever one of the 5 most deserving players on the ballot. Well when he got in he didn't have to be. I'm assuming a bunch of (in my opinion) worthy candidates are eventually a long time from now going to get brought in by the senior's committee. The five people a year thing seems to be bullshit to me and locking a lot of guys who don't play premium positions out. But I have no clue how to fix it since if they upped the number of guys they let in every year we'd probably just end up with more QBs and RBs.
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Basically the 5-person limit is a double-edged sword. It certainly makes every vote count and the ballot discussion is never boring, but at the same time every year the ballot gets absolutely loaded and we end up with worthy guys like Cris Carter and Andre Reed having to wait years for their chance, while Tim Brown can't buy a loving bronze at this point. The football voters at least seem more reasonable than their baseball counterparts and probably would've elected Ray Guy years ago if not for the stacked nature of ballots. I wouldn't be surprised if they expand the voting limit in a few years, especially once the first wave of 21st-century passing stat gods retire and we have to do even more context hand-wringing over who belongs.
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