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Heres some boat related poo poo for my (probably) first contribution to the thread. Old locks from the 3rd Welland Canal. Construction was completed in 1887 and it was taken out of service in 1933 or 34 IIRC. A bunch of the old stone locks still remain here's a few pictures from there. If I'm not mistaken, this is Lock 21:  This section of the "old canal" as we locals call it, is still in use sort of. It along with the huge pond around this area stores water used for filling the locks and also for generating some power to operate the pumps etc.. Down stream of these locks is a small generating station. This particular lock is filled up pretty high during the canal's operating season. If my picture isn't too lovely, you can probably see the water line along the stone walls. Further down you might be able to just make out a couple derelict cars in the bottom. Back when this area was more accessible, it was a pretty popular place to dump cars that people jacked. If that was lock 21, then this is lock 20: Normally submerged in summer its probably the best preserved of all the locks on the 3rd canal.  Last pic that I got this weekend: This is whats left of a derelict boat that was scuttled at the end of lock 21. The lock from the first picture. Nobody seems to know much about it except that it was a "tow boat" I guess maybe it was for towing barges up and down the canal or something. Not much left of it but the backbone and some metal parts. Hopefully some fuckin scrap metal scavenges don't gently caress with it. Its been there for almost a hundred years.  I'm sure I have more pics of old canal poo poo somewhere, but I can't seem to find them on my computer. I guess maybe thats and excuse to go for more hikes.
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I;m interested in buying a boat because why the gently caress wouldn't I throw my money in to a lake thats 800 feet deep? I'm looking at a few Lund products. One of them has an option for trailer brakes. Anyone happen to know if they are surge brakes, or electric/electric over hydraulic? According to the Lund website, the total package is just over 2000 pounds "towing weight". I think 2025 pounds. Thats with the most powerful engine and I should probably count on another 5-600 pounds for things like trolling motor, batteries, fuel, fishing gear and so on. I think they use Shoreland'r trailers. I checked out their website but the results were inconclusive. I saw something that said "disc brakes" on axles rated over 3000 pounds or something, and E/OH for the heavier ones (don't remember the weight ratings for those ones). I tried to email them (Lund) directly but all of their "contact us" stuff pretty much told me to contact my local dealer. I sent a message to local dealer but I don't expect a response unless I include a picture of me holding a wad of cash with a caption saying "boat fund money". Tow vehicle would be a 2021 Tacoma which IIRC is rated to tow up to 6400 or 6500 pounds. So it would be well under the towing capacity for the truck. So uhh, yeah, anybody know what type of brakes they might be?
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Erwin posted:I would guess surge brakes based on weight and how common they are. Are there pictures of the trailers? Electric over hydraulic have a big pedestal in the front with the reservoir and pump at the top to keep them out of the water. I just checked the Lund website but there was only one picture of the boat on a trailer and it was more to show the travel cover than the trailer, so I couldn't see the tongue.
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As "muh truck" is still pretty new, I'd like to not have to have someone hack up the wiring to add an electric brake controller, so I guess I'd prefer surge brakes. According to sone of the stuff I looked up, the "towing weight" is boat, trailer and the most powerful engine. In this case a 115hp mercury. But it probably doesn't include things like trolling motor, extra batteries for said trolling motor, full fuel tank, and various options that I might want to add. I guess I could reach out to the dealer, but like I mentioned before, I don't really expect to hear back from them unless I just go there with a dump truck full of hundred dollar bills.
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Despite what I put in my first post, I figured that if they were electric brake then it would be the older style magnetically actuated drums rather than e/oh. But thinking about it for a bit, maybe such a setup isn't so good for an axle that will be submerged from time to time.
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two_beer_bishes posted:The brake controller I bought for my 2011 Tundra has an adapter that plugged right into the factory wiring, no hacking at all. I have the Tekonsha P3 and it was very easy to install. That's good to know, thanks. I'll check my owners manual and see if it says anything about it. In other news, surprisingly enough I heard from the dealer. Hydraulic, surge disc brakes on their trailers
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Good to know. I'm looking at a couple other (smaller) boats as well that don't have that as an option, but if I get this one I'll probably check off the trailer brakes option box. I've been figuring that the weight listed for the boat is with standard equipment only, so if boat, motor and trailer combined is 2025 pounds, by the time I check off some other boxes I bet it'll probably be pushing 2500 and then adding a bunch of miscellaneous poo poo like a few tools and spare parts, anchor, full fuel tank, and then adding fishing poo poo, possible camping gear, a cooler full of
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Yeah some trailer manufacturers are jerks, if you have a question or problem they tell you talk to the boat dealer, then you talk to the dealer and they tell you to talk to the trailer manufacturer. n0tqu1tesane posted:Not sure how it is for Lund boats specifically, but for a lot of manufacturers the trailer is a dealer supplied item, so the manufacturer doesn't really have a ton of say in what trailer you'll actually get, buying one from a dealer. I'm pretty sure they're a big and reputable company so I probably won't have issues getting parts or other info if I need repairs done on it.
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Hey still looking at boat poo poo cause I'm bad at talking myself out of things. One of the engine options I'm looking at is: Mercury 115ELPT Pro XS 4STK and: Mercury 115ELPT I assume that ELPT is Electric start and power trim but what the poo poo is the Pro X@ 4STK? Is there any reason I should spend the extra several hundred on the Pro X whatever the gently caress aside from bragging to my friends that I got the mad sickest poo poo on my water whip?
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How long do you want to be friends with him?
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Has the boat market gone batshit the last few years like the car Was talking about boats the other day with my brother and he's got some sort of Crestliner and he was all like "yeah I can probably sell it for as much or more than what I paid for it 7(ish) years ago. He told me how much he paid for it. I forget the number but somewhere between 25-30k Canadian commie dollars. Fake edit: Its a Crestliner Vision 1700 Just curious, I've been looking at a Lund product thats *probably* about the equivalent product and its waay fuckin more expensive. I realize of course that even in normal times, the price for stuff goes up year after year, and it depends on how its optioned and whatnot, but holy gently caress the difference is crazy. Is Lund "better"? I'm not trying to compete with him and be all like 'yo my poo poo is way better' I just want something comfortable that I'm going to (presumably) own for years without getting sick of it. wesleywillis fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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How do y'all motherfuckers drive at night? I understand you'll use GPS or whatever the gently caress to navigate and sonar or whatever to make sure you don't run in to a shoal, or otherwise ground yourself, but how do you actually see? Do you bring out a spotlight or some poo poo? I don't think I've ever seen a boat that had headlights.
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Cat Hatter posted:Clearly you've never been around a pontoon boat with docking lights driven by an idiot. Boats don't have headlights because they're traditionally operating too far away from things for them to be effective. Some boats have docking lights which are like headlights but intended only for seeing the dock or shore you're about to ease up to. The problem is that some people just leave them on which can blind nearby boaters and obscures the navigation lights that are supposed to inform other boaters which direction you're pointing and likely traveling. Nah, Only been around boats during the day. Not really at night. Except maybe dusk I'm not likely to be out at night much (if at all) but I was figuring something like a spotlight aimed at the water 40-50 feet ahead might be useful. If for nothing more than not running over a bunch of sleeping ducks or something. Geese on the other hand gently caress them. I'm not going to run over geese even though I hate those fuckers. And of course seeing things when I dock/land, but marinas probably have enough lights that maybe that part isn't an issue.
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It would mainly be lake Ontario, near Toronto. Most likely not at night, but hey you never know. Possibly Lake Erie a few times a year and maybe a smaller Canadian Shield lake every now and then. I don't even have a boat yet anyway, just trying to learn some poo poo. I have a boating license, but they basically give them away, so if/when I get one I'd take a legit boater safety course.
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enki42 posted:I'm on Lake Ontario and yeah, there's basically no chance of hitting anything so long as you're not right on shore (and can read your charts for marked things that you can hit, although those are few and far between). My license "course" was the open book fail and don't pay test. I remember exactly this much:
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What are the pros and cons of a galvanized trailer vs painted trailer? Painted trailer you can just rattle can when it starts to rust. At least on the outside. Galvanized will resist rust longer, but you can't just touch up the stone chips with paint or whatever. Re-galvanizing isn't necessarily a practical solution probably. I'm sure theres a ton of others. Not being used in salt water if that makes a diff. wesleywillis fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jan 12, 2023 |
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I just I guess I need to get some safety poo poo for it. According to Transport Canada, for a craft under 6metres (19' 8") I need: Life jackets of appropriate size for everyone on board. I already have two that I use for my canoe, will get a couple more. Bouyant heaving line of 15m (50ft) in length. I can probably get one at Canadian Tire of theres a shitload of boat places around here because the city runs two harbors. Manual propelling device. I have canoe paddles, but they're big and wooden, I should probably go with a couple collapsible paddles and store them on board. Bailer or hand pump. Boat has an automatic bilge pump. But I know a guy who had his boat sink on Lake St Clair when his failed. So I'll pick up a manual one. Sound signalling device. This bitch has a horn, but a fox 40 is cheap. Should I bother with a refillable air horn too? The answer is probably yes but eh, what the gently caress do I know? Navigation lights I'm pretty sure this thing has them as well. Not sure how I can get spares or whatever. Class 5 BC fire extinguisher for any vessel: with an inboard motor, fixed fuel tank, and/or any fuel-burning cooking, heating or refrigeration units; I have a fixed fuel tank and I checked off the 'fire extinguisher' option box, but I figure another one can't hurt. Waterproof flashlight or flares: Well......... What the gently caress should I do here? Flashlight seems like a no brainer, but what about flares? I do have (will be getting) that extra fire extinguisher cause hey if I've got some flammable flares on board you know. Are flares worth it or should I just get a good flashlight? Other stuff I figure I should get: Anchor with a bunch of rope, First aid kit. I know I'll need other stuff too like some bumpers, mooring ropes and so on, because boat stands for Bust Out Another Thousand. At some point I'll be asking about some tools I might want to keep around for roadside trailer repairs and maybe a few boat repairs and such but for now, I'm mainly concerned with boat safety type poo poo. wesleywillis fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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I'm at the pub, drunk because I'm already regretting throwing my money away and phone posting so I'm not in a condition to quote and then cut in to individual things here but when you say a boat length of chain you mean a literal, the length of my boat (17ft in this case)? Or is that some olde tyme salty sea dog measurement for x number of feet? Ok, so gently caress the flares, I think in Canada you actually need a firearms license to buy a flare gun anyway. I have one but whatever. I'll probably get arrested for unsafe storage or some poo poo. I've seen those freaky anchors before. Still trying to figure out how they actually work. Know how to tie a "bowlin", what the poo poo is a cleat hitch? That's not just a bunch of figure 8s around a cleat is it? If so I got that poo poo down. Also know a few other knots that might come in handy. Also got a book on knots and poo poo. Done my own eye (side?) Splices in three strand manilla rope before to make something like a sling before. Don't know every knot but I'm a weirdo so I can figure out a few I think.
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The boat exists already because it's a leftover '22 model. But hosed if I can figure out how to copy and paste a link in my current condition. But it's a lund 1775 adventure sport with a bunch of gew-gaws and hee-hoes and a 115 on the back.
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Vhf radio is something I definitely have been thinking about. I would need to know how to use it obviously and would put some effort in to learning. I expect to mostly be using this thing on lake Ontario. Occasionally lake Erie. And don't necessarily want to stay that close to shore. The idea of driving way out in to the lake, shutting the engine off, reading a book or listening to the radio and just drifting for a while in the quiet definitely has some appeal to me. I have a good source for rope and was planning on getting at least 100 ft for the anchor. And maybe an extension or two has crossed my mind. Dyneema rope seems to be a good product for an anchor line.
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Fair enough. I don't think I'll be anchoring way out in the middle of the lake but who the gently caress knows. Lake Ontario is at its deepest just over 800 feet deep. Realistically I won't be anchoring there because i'm pretty sure thats on the US-A Freedom side of the lake, but I should probably take a look at some depth charts for areas where I might be and try to judge appropriately.
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enki42 posted:You don't have to be super offshore or anything to be in fairly quiet waters. There's not really many cruisers moving between marinas on Lake Ontario, 95% of people tend to stick pretty close to their marina / whatever the closest beach is. Yeah, I've been out on Erie, Ontario and Georgian Bay, I've never had the The Great Lakes Storm of 1913 really caused some poo poo for example.
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Got ya. I won't go overboard (heh) on anchor ropes. So whats the reason for "boat length" of chain anyway?
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Makes sense. I'll keep that in mind when looking at anchor poo poo.
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drat, Anchor chat up in this all because of lil old me! Going out to the "middle" of the lake isn't quite what I was planning, probably ore like a few km off shore or something, and chilling out, reading a book, and/or listening to the radio. There is a waiting list for slips at the two city owned marinas here so I'd be launching and landing. So gently caress stuff like going out on the water for fireworks or some poo poo like that. Though I gotta admit this looks pretty fuckin sweet. https://www.portstoronto.com/portstoronto/media-room/news/north-america%E2%80%99s-floating-movie-theatre-returns.aspx
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Karma Comedian posted:We do something similar with a portable projector, a sail, and a bunch of dinghies. They have the dinghy thing here now too. Another thread brought up the subject of ethanol in gas. IIRC ethanol + outboard/marine engines = bad was a thing for at least a while. Is uhhhh that still a thing? I'm not worried about things like rubber hoses melting or whatever was happening to cars 20 odd years ago when they started putting ethanol in to gas and older cars were having issues with their older rubber lines, but anyone recall what the deal was with ethanol and marine engines in the recent past? Was it just reduced fuel economy? Were they running worse? I can't imagine that the engine manufacturers (mercury in my case) haven't figured out a way to deal with this yet but maybe they haven't. Is it one of those things that was true 10 years ago but isn't anymore but people swear its still true because it was at one point? wesleywillis fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jan 30, 2023 |
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Kenshin posted:Hearing how lake people talk about anchoring vs. what I have to do in Puget Sound is just wild. (also the difference between small displacement motor boats and the sailboats I'm used to) What is wild about it? I'm new to this boat poo poo. I know the great lakes aren't oceans, but they're not the puddles that one finds throughout most of the rest of North America. Big Taint posted:Similar to how climbing has static and dynamic ropes, boating has lines you want to be stretchy and lines you don’t. Sheets and halyards and running rigging on sailboats want to be less stretchy. Dock lines and anchor rodes want to be stretchy so you’re not transferring all the load to the boat’s hardware, the line absorbs some. Knowledge here. I learned something and will make sure to remember this. Thanks fellow goon!!
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:I did a four day sailing course on Lake Ontario last summer and the materials, final test, and on-the-lake work all had lots of stuff about anchors and anchor theory. Also, having anchored for a couple hours outside a popular local nude beach and watched countless incidents of sheer buffoonery from the rented yacht/motorboat crew there, I wish that sort of education was forced on everyone taking a boat out. I've got my boat license. From one of those places that said "don't pass? Don't pay!!!" Probably got it at the sportsman show in Toronto. I plan on taking *some* kind of legit boating safety type course because I'd really like to try and not be "that guy". Re: anchor chat, Looks like I should get a few cinder blocks and some steel cable and troll some boat forums about my discovering that one weird trick that big anchor doesn't want you to know?
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Dumb question, but then I'm dumb and don't know gently caress poo poo about boats. Will a magnetic compass get messed up (be inaccurate) in an aluminum boat? I know aluminum isn't ferrous, but I do also know that various metals, ferrous or not can interfere with various things. My parents had an rv trailer in the past, parked at a camp ground and the radio reception was poo poo. Most other people in the park had the same problem. General consensus was "lots of metal around to gently caress with things". Though thats not exactly scientific reasoning. I suppose a "boat compass" would probably be made in such a way that this might be compensated for? wesleywillis fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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Went to the dealer to drop the rest of the down payment on my new Didn't get to see it as it was out in the yard wrapped in plastic but they had an identical one uncovered in their shop so I got to check it out. Holy gently caress it's huge (it's not that big, 17' 10"). I guess I was thinking it would compare to the 14 ft tiller steers that i've rented before, but you know bigger. But everything on this fucker seems so much more huger than them. It seems huge to only weigh like 2300 pounds or so ( boat motor and trailer). Now I still need to buy some poo poo like bumpers, anchor, various other safety poo poo. A few extra life jackets etc .. Hopefully the town marinas will still have a spot open. I got offered one a few weeks ago and would have taken it, but they wanted payment, proof of insurance and a copy of the registration. Only had one of those things at the time, now have two, will hopefully have all three by Tuesday. I'm both excited and terrified.
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I want to get one of those floating foam water mats that are around 6x15 ft but they're like 500+ dollars. I wonder if that would count as a PFD  ?
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drat! I wonder if they ship to Canada. But maybe with the exchange rate, shipping etc. it might cost the same as one from Costco (in Canada) or wherever. More dumb questions: In the not too distant future I'm going to need poo poo. Probably a couple bumpers, various safety poo poo, and so on. Are there any brands of stuff that I should avoid because they're poo poo? Also are there any gimmicky products that sound like they're so awesome and handy but actually don't work as well as they should or are otherwise lovely? I was looking at some dock lines that were kinda bungee cord like. These things. Seems like they'd be a useful product, but maybe they wear out really fast or something.
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More stupid boat noob questions from a stupid boat noob. Anyone know a good system/method etc for fueling up a boat with some Jerry cans? I got a dock for the season and probably won't be taking the thing out of the water regularly, or I'd ust stop at a gas station on the way to/ from the lake. There is a private club on the same creek that has a fuel dock but I have no idea if its members only, or if they charge non-members more etc... The other city run harbor on a different creek has a fuel dock but its kind of out of the way. Also from what I've heard, dock gas is more expensive because of extra regulations etc.. So I'm hoping to get a couple Jerry Cans and fill this thing up from time to time to save some money, but I want to do my best not to own the libs by spilling gas in to the water. Are there any devices, methods, tips etc for doing this without spilling? Assuming obviously that I do it correctly?
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Holy gently caress that thing looks dope! The one the other goon posted is something I was thinking of too, and theres like 5 Canadian tires within a 5 minute drive of me. Its got lovely reviews though  This definitely isn't the only fuel dock on the lake, but its Lake Ontario so somewhat big. Then next closest one is about 7km away in the opposite direction of where I'd usually be going, or 16km east in the direction I'd most likely be traveling. The fuel tank on this thing is 20 (US) gallons and built in, otherwise I'd stock up on a couple portable ones and not worry so much about moving them to and fro. I suppose the best course of action is to bite the bullet, pay for dock gas for the time being and figure out how much fuel I'll actually use for various trips here and there and then decide where to go from there. A pair of those cans is tempting though.
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Oh hells yeah! There are a few stations in my town listed including the harbor thats to the west of where I'll be docked. Thanks for the link. According to Mercury my engine is fine with E10 (but no more than that) is there an advantage to pure gas?
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The boat is brand new and thus shouldn't be subject to the ethanol chaos from 20+ years ago, but I'll definitely keep in mind and just try and run ethanol free when I am able to. I saw my boat's twin a few weeks ago at the dealer (mine was out in the yard wrapped in plastic), and there was a tag on the steering wheel saying E10 or less or some poo poo like that, which I assume means 10% ethanol or less. Theres a few stations listed on the site the other goon posted that have no ethanol, so I'll try to keep up with that.
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Are those elastic dock lines, any good or are they gimmicky bullshit? Seems like they would have a shorter lifespan than rope but I can't really think of any other drawbacks, but I ain't know gently caress poo poo about poo poo.
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I guess one advantage of just using a rope also is I can get one that's longer, and tie it to boat and dock at whatever length is needed rather than try to figure out what length of one of those I'll need. Its not a very big boat and the dock is floating so it (the dock surface) will probably be only a bit lower than the top edge of the gunwale.
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Dumb question time. Some of you have noticed me annoying the thread a bunch of times in the last few months. I want to get a tool kit together to make minor repairs on my boat, motor and trailer to keep with it. All the poo poo is brand new, hopefully I won't need to make any repairs for a while but I want to be prepared. The boat is made by Lund, Mercury engine and Shorelander trailer. Anyone have any idea if they use standard, metric or both types of fasteners? They're all made in USA so I figure its *probably* all standard, but who the gently caress knows. I've worked on enough poo poo over the years to have seen a lot of stuff that uses both. I just don't want to pick up and carry around any extra stuff if I don't need to.
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Thats on my list of things to pick up already, but for this fall anyway, I *might* take the boat somewhere to get winterized and thus won't have any (hopefully) need to run the engine while out of the water. Are they really designed to need replacing every few years? Why? Is it because the water they take in can be of lovely quality? Like silt, and sand and whatnot?
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