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Today, the annual Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame issue will come out. Who goes in? Who gets snubbed? We'll find out later today! This should be a fun place to discuss it either way. This year's ballot is below. The following candidates will be dropped from next year's ballot unless they are elected in or garner 50% of the vote: Gene & Ole Anderson Cien Caras Carlos Colon Gran Hamada Volk Han Owen Hart Gorilla Monsoon Fabulous Moolah Pedro Morales Dick Murdoch Rock & Roll Express Seiji Sakaguchi Jimmy Snuka Wilbur Snyder Jesse Ventura I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES Gene & Ole Anderson The Assassins (Joe Hamilton & Tom Renesto) Red Bastien June Byers Pepper Gomez Dick Hutton Pedro Morales Ciclon Negro Kinji Shibuya Wilbur Snyder John Tolos Enrique Torres Von Brauners & Saul Weingeroff Tim "Mr. Wrestling" Woods Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES Junkyard Dog Edge Owen Hart Curt Hennig Ivan Koloff Brock Lesnar Fabulous Moolah Dick Murdoch Ken Patera C.M. Punk Rock & Roll Express (Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson) Sgt. Slaughter Jimmy Snuka Sting Ultimate Warrior I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES Jun Akiyama George Gordienko Gran Hamada Volk Han Masahiko Kimura Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan Yuji Nagata Seiji Sakaguchi Mike & Ben Sharpe Minoru Suzuki Kiyoshi Tamura Akira Taue I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo Cien Caras Hector Garza Ultimo Guerrero Karloff Lagarde Blue Panther L.A. Park Huracan Ramirez El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro Vampiro Villano III Dr. Wagner Jr. I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES Jim Breaks Big Daddy Giant Haystacks Horst Hoffman Billy Joyce Kendo Nagasaki Jackie Pallo Rollerball Mark Rocco Johnny Saint Otto Wanz I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES Spyros Arion Johnny Barend Brute Bernard & Skull Murphy Carlos Colon King Kong Czaja John DaSilva Domenic DeNucci Killer Karl Kox Mark Lewin Mario Milano Jan Wilkens NON-WRESTLERS Bill Apter Dave Brown Jim Crockett Jr. Jim Crockett Sr. Gary Hart Jimmy Hart Howard Finkel Jerry Jarrett Larry Matysik Gorilla Monsoon Gene Okerluind Don Owen George Scott Jesse Ventura Stanley Weston
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Nov 19, 2014 17:51
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They can probably just go ahead and take Dick Murdoch out of consideration.
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Nov 19, 2014 18:21
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Big Daddy or Bust
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Nov 19, 2014 18:25
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Owen & The R&R Express for work. Carlos Colon for drawing in PR. Monsoon & Ventura for non-wrestlers, even though Monsoon will never get in.
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Nov 19, 2014 18:28
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Brock's going to be an interesting case since he's an obvious first ballot choice if you give him credit for his MMA career but falls a bit short if you don't.
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Nov 19, 2014 18:39
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I expect a heavy lucha year with Cien Caras, Los Brazos and Los Misioneros de la Muerte getting in. Gran Hamada should get in on legacy alone, but I fear he won't make it. Colon should go in but he might be seen as too close to Invader I amongst voters. Punk's early retirement will be an interesting thing to follow in future years. I don't think he makes it now, but he might be a later influence pick. Europe will be an interesting region with folks like Breaks and Saint who one can make argument in favor. Surprising that the Rock and Rolls and Jimmy Hart aren't in the Hall of Fame yet. http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/ had a pretty good series of Hall of Fame podcasts, outside of when Bix or DylanWaco went on tangents.
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Nov 19, 2014 18:41
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As leaked through today's Figure Four Daily, the Rock and Roll Express made it in this ballot.
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Nov 19, 2014 22:24
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Pedro Morales isn't in? What?  Mr. Wrestling II isn't either? And I'm sorry, Edge and Punk should not even be nominated.
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Nov 19, 2014 22:25
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^^ These aren't "nominations" they are just names of wrestlers suggested based of how long they've been active in wrestling. They become active after a certain amount of years and depending on how low some votes are they get taken out of suggestion. Like AJ Styles was on the ballot last year, barely got votes and was kicked off the lists. Was looking for this thread! I guess Bryan let one of the inductees this year slip. Anyway, are those two groups of 3 luchadores a stable? Would they be the first stable inducted? KungFu Grip fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Nov 19, 2014 22:26
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I'm a bit surprised that the Rock and Roll Express wasn't in yet.
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Nov 19, 2014 22:28
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R&R Express absolutely deserve it, glad they finally got over the threshold. The others I can definitely see going either way, interested to see what happens.
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Nov 19, 2014 22:32
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KungFu Grip posted:^^ These aren't "nominations" they are just names of wrestlers suggested based of how long they've been active in wrestling. They become active after a certain amount of years and depending on how low some votes are they get taken out of suggestion. Like AJ Styles was on the ballot last year, barely got votes and was kicked off the lists. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Thanks!
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Nov 19, 2014 22:33
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KungFu Grip posted:Anyway, are those two groups of 3 luchadores a stable? Would they be the first stable inducted? Also, aren't the Freebirds (Hayes, Roberts, Gordy) in?
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Nov 19, 2014 22:36
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Endorph posted:I don't think they're really 'stables,' just Trios teams. Lots of mexican promotions have/had Trios titles for teams of 3. Ahhh that's right the Freebirds are in.
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Nov 19, 2014 22:40
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Endorph posted:I don't think they're really 'stables,' just Trios teams. Lots of mexican promotions have/had Trios titles for teams of 3. Yes, and when the Midnight Express was inducted Lane, Eaton, and Condrey were all included.
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Nov 19, 2014 22:40
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Endorph posted:I don't think they're really 'stables,' just Trios teams. Lots of mexican promotions have/had Trios titles for teams of 3. The importance (at least in my mind) of Los Brazos and Los Misionerios were that they were the first ones that made money and popularized the format in Lucha. Previous you would have tag teams like La Pareja Atomica (Santo/Gory Guerrero) but these two trios were the ones UWA went with to start the trend. Negro Navarro is still an incredible worker to this day and he's nearly 60.
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Nov 19, 2014 23:15
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jimmy hart seems like one of the biggest "uhh how the gently caress is this guy not in already" ones to me
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Nov 19, 2014 23:18
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Spermgod posted:jimmy hart seems like one of the biggest "uhh how the gently caress is this guy not in already" ones to me He was gold in Memphis, but afterwards he was just sort of there.
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Nov 19, 2014 23:19
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ChampRamp posted:He was gold in Memphis, but afterwards he was just sort of there. he was essentially the top heel in memphis for how long?
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Nov 19, 2014 23:21
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Spermgod posted:he was essentially the top heel in memphis for how long? As soon as Jerry Lawler turned face. He also deserves to get in with his music ability in terms of being one of the first big designer of custom themes. Also probably for whatever blood rite he committed to stick with Hogan his entire career and look that way at almost 70.
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Nov 19, 2014 23:24
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:Also probably for whatever blood rite he committed to stick with Hogan his entire career and look that way at almost 70. hairdye and sunglasses
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Nov 19, 2014 23:26
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quote:Dropped next year from the ballot are Gene & Ole Anderson, Gran Hamada, Owen Hart, Gorilla Monsoon, Fabulous Moolah, Pedro Morales, Dick Murdoch, Seiji Sakaguchi, Jimmy Snuka, Wilbur Snyder and Jesse Ventura. Lesnar didn't make it either, coming 13 ballots shy. Carlos Colon six votes shy.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:20
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Who cares about losers, wheres that Big Daddy and Sting entries?
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Nov 20, 2014 01:23
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The Rock and Roll Express were the only new inductees.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:28
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KungFu Grip posted:Who cares about losers, wheres that Big Daddy and Sting entries? Big Daddy had 43% and 19 votes short Sting had 33% and 88 votes short Nagata ranked #1 amongst active wrestlers. Volk Han and Misioneros did pretty well. Added to the ballot next year: Cima, Bryan Danielson, Cowboy Bob Ellis, Bob Geigel, Samoa Joe, Rocky Johnson, Shinsuke Nakamura, Randy Orton, Eddie Quinn, A.J. Styles I can only see Dragon, Nakamura, Orton out that group. As much as I love CIMA (and can make a hell of an argument for him), if Hamada's not getting in, he won't either.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:28
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Hall of Fame Hoot e: Poor AJ is gonna be dropped from the ballot after 1 year again.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:29
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wait didn't AJ Styles already get dropped from the ballot?
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Nov 20, 2014 01:32
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oatgan posted:wait didn't AJ Styles already get dropped from the ballot? Yes. Last year. He's being re-added next year.
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Nov 20, 2014 01:34
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Daniel Bryan posted:Yes. Last year. He's being re-added next year. loving Dave and his puro
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Nov 20, 2014 01:35
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Daniel Bryan posted:The Rock and Roll Express were the only new inductees. Ouch, really?
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Nov 20, 2014 01:35
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NotQuiteQuentin posted:Big Daddy had 43% and 19 votes short Wouldn't you be able to make the argument that DG is more successful than UWF and CIMA was their ace for a while, and probably a bigger star in general?
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Nov 20, 2014 01:39
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oatgan posted:loving Dave and his puro
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Nov 20, 2014 01:40
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KungFu Grip posted:Ouch, really? Not quite. A pre war promoter named Ray Fabiani also made it. code:quote:Votes needed for induction into the Hall of Fame: U.S. and Canada modern (198); U.S. and Canada historical (147); Japan (62); Mexico (59); Pacific Islands, Australia, New Zealand, Puerto Rico (82); Europe (65) I personally think Lesnar deserves it, but I also think his UFC career counts. He'll almost certainly go down in history as the only man to win the IWGP, WWE, and UFC Heavyweight Championships and even though he was poo poo at one of those that's still drat impressive.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:28
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I believe in Big Daddy. Next year is his year.
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Nov 20, 2014 02:42
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big daddy v will be inducted next year
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Nov 20, 2014 03:02
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Nov 20, 2014 03:30
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:
Warrior has never been a good candidate. Such a short time period on top (and really wasn't doing the business they hoped he would be doing.) Horrible worker, and not really well liked by his contemporaries. Punk gets hit by recency. You're going to have to be a Cena or Tanahashi to get in first ballot as an active/recently retired wrestler. Hennig isn't a HOFer by any means but he is incredibly well thought of inside the industry from a work standpoint. And Owen gets a lot of sympathy votes (as cold as it sounds.) El Gallinero Gros posted:Wouldn't you be able to make the argument that DG is more successful than UWF and CIMA was their ace for a while, and probably a bigger star in general? That'd be a few of my points. Also I'd argue CIMA's role as "ace" was a more impressive than say Nagata/young Nakamura in NJPW or Mutoh when was in charge of All Japan. (Longer tenure as ace, more reflective of ticket sales and boosting Dragon Gate from being a medium sized indy to now the prohibitive #2 in the region). Also CIMA's style of lucharesu has direct influence to modern US indie when you look at folks like Gargano, Cole, PAC/Neville and Generico/Zayn.
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Nov 20, 2014 03:37
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Punk is probably going to fall significantly next year too considering the entering candidates. I think Bryan and even Orton will take a lot of his vote. Bryan's an interesting case. Not sure he'll get in first ballot. I think he eventually goes in, but he's got a strong case already on work and having a successful Wrestlemania built around him (which I know some people won't count). Who knows. Daniel Bryan fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Nov 20, 2014 03:40
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Seriously don't buy the argument for Lesnar in the HOF. Dave ranked the top 30 vote-getters among all voter categories. STING Historians: NOT IN TOP 20 (#27) Active Wrestlers: NOT IN TOP 20 (#28) Former Wrestlers: NOT IN THE TOP 30 (NR) Reporters: NOT IN TOP 20 (#21)
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Nov 20, 2014 03:57
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Brock Lesnar convinced wrestling fans to buy UFC pay per views. Some people think this counts. I don't think Bryan will do very well. Edge can't break 40% and to my knowledge he is not dismissed by a significant number of retired guys. e: quote:After The Fabulous Ones became huge draws in Tennessee and Kentucky through use of music videos in the early 80s, Jerry Lawler put Morton & Gibson together
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