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Are you a moral relativist? Do you believe in moral relativism? I personally am not. I believe that there are universal moral values. I believe we can discover the best moral values through reason. I also believe, personally, in religion. I do not believe in any particular religion, but I just believe it's all real. I believe moral relativism is extremely bad and that people shouldn't just be able to do whatever they want with no consequences. But I open this up to you. What do you think?
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That's just your opinion
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Nov 20, 2014 11:26
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I believe that morality is a feeble human notion and the universe doesn't care about what's good.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:26
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Sir John Feelgood posted:Are you a moral relativist? Do you believe in moral relativism? I personally am not. I believe that there are universal moral values. I believe we can discover the best moral values through reason. I also believe, personally, in religion. I do not believe in any particular religion, but I just believe it's all real. I believe moral relativism is extremely bad and that people shouldn't just be able to do whatever they want with no consequences. But I open this up to you. What do you think? same
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Nov 20, 2014 11:27
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Dr. Stab posted:I believe that morality is a feeble human notion and the universe doesn't care about what's good.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:30
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I believe that normal human beings believe in goodness, and that if the universe is indifferent to justice then it is the duty of human beings to make sure goodness is spread and that justice is served. In this way, we can improve upon the universe and make it good. I think people who don't believe this need to be thrown in jail, but we need to make the jails safe. Well sure, but then justice is whatever we define it to be, and not a universal notion.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:32
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I believe that normal human beings believe in goodness, and that if the universe is indifferent to justice then it is the duty of human beings to make sure goodness is spread and that justice is served. In this way, we can improve upon the universe and make it good. I think people who don't believe this need to be thrown in jail, but we need to make the jails safe. what value is there for humanity in having safe jails instead of, say, a death camp
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Nov 20, 2014 11:35
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Dr. Stab posted:Well sure, but then justice is whatever we define it to be, and not a universal notion.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:35
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Kyrie eleison posted:what value is there for humanity in having safe jails instead of, say, a death camp
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Nov 20, 2014 11:36
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE
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Nov 20, 2014 11:37
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I personally believe that people who are in jail should be comfortable. We just need them out of the way. I don't think we should torture them. I think maybe there should be an option to die if you go to jail and don't want to be there. i think we should keep them in some sort of ideological prison in which they feel totally content and even happy and fulfilled about their lives but ultimately labor and live in service to us
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Nov 20, 2014 11:38
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I personally believe that history is predetermined by an invisible power and that wars are caused by resistance to the wave of history. I don't think the wave of history is always morally in the right; it just is what it is. I think we're heading into a highly, highly religious age as a reaction against the spiritual emptiness of the twentieth century.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:38
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Well according to wikipedia, I'm a moral reletivist..Sir John Feelgood posted:I believe that normal human beings believe in goodness, and that if the universe is indifferent to justice then it is the duty of human beings to make sure goodness is spread and that justice is served. In this way, we can improve upon the universe and make it good. I think people who don't believe this need to be thrown in jail, but we need to make the jails safe. "Goodness" is subjective. What I considered to be "good" could be different than what you believe it to be.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:39
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I personally believe that history is predetermined by an invisible power and that wars are caused by resistance to the wave of history. I don't think the wave of history is always morally in the right; it just is what it is. I think we're heading into a highly, highly religious age as a reaction against the spiritual emptiness of the twentieth century. actually i think if you look closer you will find that every war in history has been lost by the righteous party
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Nov 20, 2014 11:40
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Kyrie eleison posted:actually i think if you look closer you will find that every war in history has been lost by the righteous party
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Nov 20, 2014 11:41
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Archer666 posted:Well according to wikipedia, I'm a moral reletivist..
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Nov 20, 2014 11:43
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I believe that there are granular differences in morality between people but larger, more important similarities. I don't think goodness is subjective. I think we're all people and we're all pretty similar to each other and see things pretty much the same way. I think the differences come when we disagree on the means to arriving at the same end. you are wrong on this. everybody sees the world completely differently and in a totally unique way. our common humanity is the only thing that keeps us together, and it is fragile, which is why we have wars and violence.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:47
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what's the word for when someone realizes that it would be very unpleasant for a given fact about the universe to be true, and then decides on that basis alone that it isn't true
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Nov 20, 2014 11:47
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A lot of breakfast cereals are full of goodness
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Nov 20, 2014 11:48
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Kyrie eleison posted:you are wrong on this. everybody sees the world completely differently and in a totally unique way. our common humanity is the only thing that keeps us together, and it is fragile, which is why we have wars and violence.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:49
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Torka posted:what's the word for when someone realizes that it would be very unpleasant for a given fact about the universe to be true, and then decides on that basis alone that it isn't true reason
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Nov 20, 2014 11:49
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Torka posted:what's the word for when someone realizes that it would be very unpleasant for a given fact about the universe to be true, and then decides on that basis alone that it isn't true
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Nov 20, 2014 11:50
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I disagree. I believe everyone sees the world in a completely different way but that they're all trying to accomplish the same things, essentially. no, one man waits with knife in hand to stab his brother. one sees green where you see red. but both see the color of blood.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:50
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Torka posted:what's the word for when someone realizes that it would be very unpleasant for a given fact about the universe to be true, and then decides on that basis alone that it isn't true Denial?
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Nov 20, 2014 11:51
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Archer666 posted:Denial? that works in a general sense but I feel like we should have a more specific technical term for this since it's one of the most common things that humans do
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Nov 20, 2014 11:52
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Kyrie eleison posted:no, one man waits with knife in hand to stab his brother. one sees green where you see red. but both see the color of blood.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:54
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Torka posted:that works in a general sense but I feel like we should have a more specific technical term for this since it's one of the most common things that humans do Seems more or less like cognitive dissonance to me.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:56
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I believe the man and his brother are not separate people but the same. I believe individuality is an illusion and that we're all like petals on one flower, different but emerging from an essential oneness. I also believe that some people lose touch with this essential oneness and when this happens it's called ideology, which is brain-worship, trying to use your brain to solve problems that have already been solved for you. Ideology is like when you think too hard about walking and you fall. ideology is a defense of eternal truths against the power of lies.
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Nov 20, 2014 11:57
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i'm relatively moral
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Nov 20, 2014 11:58
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it's not even maladaptive, in fact bald-faced denial of unpalatable facts seems to be a requirement for mental health the people I know who are incapable of doing it are broken and nonfunctional and the ones who are the most resilient and productive are the ones it comes most easily to
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Nov 20, 2014 11:59
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Torka posted:it's not even maladaptive, in fact bald-faced denial of unpalatable facts seems to be a requirement for mental health you don't deny the truth, you accept the truth. you are looking at it backwards.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:02
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Kyrie eleison posted:ideology is a defense of eternal truths against the power of lies.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:02
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Sir John Feelgood posted:No, everyone knows the truth intuitively. Ideology is artificial truth that appeals to the brain. Today we live in a world of brain-worship, in which we verify truth via reason. But our brains did not help us survive by discovering truths; our brain helped us survive by being able to outsmart enemies and delude ourselves. Our brain is just a clever animal brain. What it verifies as true isn't real truth. If something "makes sense" to the brain it just means the peculiar apparatus of the human brain accepts it. There could be other kinds of brains whose way of verifying things is different from what we call "logic" (which is just human-specific logic, but it's the only kind we know). we know the important aspect of the truth intuitively, that we are children of God, but 99.9999% of it eludes us. this is by design.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:04
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God is the million-brained entity who can see things through all points of view. How do I "know" this? I don't. I don't "know" anything.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:05
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I have stupid hair. Just a thought.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:08
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Sir John Feelgood posted:God is the million-brained entity who can see things through all points of view. How do I "know" this? I don't. I don't "know" anything. because God by definition is capable of experiencing all lives and points of view, in fullness, all throughout history, and he is the final judge of us all. he is looking through your eyes right now.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:08
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im god and im so high right now
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Nov 20, 2014 12:14
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Zzulu posted:im god and im so high right now
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Nov 20, 2014 12:15
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Sir John Feelgood posted:I personally believe that history is predetermined by an invisible power and that wars are caused by resistance to the wave of history. I don't think the wave of history is always morally in the right; it just is what it is. I think we're heading into a highly, highly religious age as a reaction against the spiritual emptiness of the twentieth century. First part hurts my stupid head but same to the rest
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Nov 20, 2014 12:20
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I think it is okay for me to kill OP but not okay for him to complain about it
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