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Inflammatory posted:okay, so third labyrinth first floor. i'm stuck. If you keep messing up, Naoto would just give the answer.
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Ciaphas posted:I'm all the gently caress about a new Persona game, but I've never played an EO game before. I've been reading about it, and I've got an honest question: is there some appeal to the manual map-making that I'm not understanding? Just seems like added tedium at first blush. It adds a sense that you really are exploring a mysterious labyrinth that nobody has been in before. You can make your own notes on it and it appeals to an old-school RPG mentality. Otherwise, yeah, I guess it's just sort of additional work.
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Ciaphas posted:I'm all the gently caress about a new Persona game, but I've never played an EO game before. I've been reading about it, and I've got an honest question: is there some appeal to the manual map-making that I'm not understanding? Just seems like added tedium at first blush. It's really not all that manual. If you turn on automap, all you have to add are icons (doors and shortcuts mostly). But anyway, it appeals to the Explorer type of gamer, and it's also a nod to nostalgia. And, too, there are puzzles later on that make the map pretty important rather than just a convenience, so if you do a better job mapping, you'll have an easier time with the puzzles. Cake Attack posted:i don't think that makes too much of a difference though, since most physical attackers should be in the front, and magic in the back Sure, but Mitsuru, P3MC, Teddie, and possibly Koromaru could be put in the back and still be effective. ---- Anyway, I just got the best thing from a quest reward: A non-consumable Goho-M! I mean, the game reminds you if you try to go into a labyrinth without one so it's not as bad as in EO, but now there's no chance I'll forget.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:22
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Is there really no reason to level additional parties? That's really disappointing. They have a neat "muster" feature that lets you pre-save party selections/formations and instantly swap between them, which would have been nice in EO3. You can even name the parties. Rolling with the "Shadow Ops" at the moment: Akihiko, Mitsuru, Aigis, Yukari. Need to find two more wind users besides Yukari and Yosuke so I can create my ultimate team, "Gone Garu".
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Nov 28, 2014 06:26
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Wait Marie does things? I got the full team and I'm starting floor 2 of labyrinth 2 and she just kinda lays around in the velvet room and hasn't had any lines other then "I'm here." Also I liked her in P4G and I hope my agony grows and the Velvet Room crew become playable too.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:26
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She's a DLC navigator along with Liz, Theo, and Marge. I believe they have their own unique skills too, so yeah she does stuff that's not that. She also shows up in cutscenes for shenanigans, of course. Nanako is a DLC Navigator too.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:27
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The worst velvet room is Margaret. Elizabeth is the best. Discuss.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:27
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You are the worst, Cake Attack.
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Cake Attack posted:The worst velvet room is Margaret. what's there to discuss? also marie manages streetpass stuff, which in the west means that you will never ever need to speak to her ever outside of the
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Nov 28, 2014 06:30
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Are all the FOEs as annoyingly bulky and weaknessless like the card soldiers? Though maybe killing one at level six didn't help it feeling like a giant meat sponge.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:31
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Cake Attack posted:The worst velvet room is Margaret. Elizabeth keeps encouraging Theo to scalp me for all I'm worth so I'm kinda mad at her. Also is Rise any good as a navigator? I had Fuuka and wow healing after every turn and emergency heals and all this is awesome! Got to Rise and her first skill just lets someone go first and boy that's nowhere near as good  Einwand posted:Are all the FOEs as annoyingly bulky and weaknessless like the card soldiers? Though maybe killing one at level six didn't help it feeling like a giant meat sponge. If it's anything like EO the first ones (card soldiers) are just meatsponge assholes while every other one is going to status debuff the gently caress out of you and destroy you in like 2 turns.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:33
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^^rise's skills are more situational, yeah. her second skill reduces all skill costs for the turn to zero and her third one lets your whole party act before the enemy.Einwand posted:Are all the FOEs as annoyingly bulky and weaknessless like the card soldiers? Though maybe killing one at level six didn't help it feeling like a giant meat sponge. so far i've seen six different foes, and only two of them have had weaknesses. and yeah you're supposed to wait until like level 10 to fight the card soldiers.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:33
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Marie does streetpass stuff. But she doesn't actually exist unless you ask her stuff. Uh, yeah.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:34
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I'm sorry Cake Attack, I didn't mean it. We can discuss our waifus like civilized gentlemen, forgive me.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:35
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A man not willing to fight for the honor of his anime girlfriend is no man at all, imo
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Nov 28, 2014 06:39
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My waifu is not even Marie.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:41
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Inflammatory posted:so far i've seen six different foes, and only two of them have had weaknesses. Most of them have weaknesses (and nasty attacks), but they all have ginormous amounts of HP.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:46
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Einwand posted:Are all the FOEs as annoyingly bulky and weaknessless like the card soldiers? Though maybe killing one at level six didn't help it feeling like a giant meat sponge. FOEs are obstacles to avoid, not enemies to fight. You need to wait until much later before taking them on. Who has the automap turned on? I don't since I like drawing my own maps, but the wall radar is handy.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:47
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i have an irresistible compulsion to get the map chests so i just walk on every space i can and let automap do the work.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:51
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Dr. Fetus posted:FOEs are obstacles to avoid, not enemies to fight. You need to wait until much later before taking them on. Having said that, they tend to drop materials that you can turn into some pretty kickass equipment, so beating them as soon as reasonably possible is worth doing. quote:Who has the automap turned on? I don't since I like drawing my own maps, but the wall radar is handy. Same here. The default option of automapping off but wall guides on feels like a good compromise between convenience and the feeling of mapping out the dungeon yourself.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:57
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The Card Soldiers are just annoying as hell because they have no weaknesses or anything so you have to sit there fishing for crits as you slog through their HP. Hopefully later FOEs are less dumb. e: second labyrinth SP DAMAGE FLOORS ATLUS YOU MOTHERFUCKERS theshim fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Nov 28, 2014 |
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Nov 28, 2014 07:11
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Is there any particular status effect that can help out with the first boss. Like can I hit it with poison or something to make life easier.
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Nov 28, 2014 07:46
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FOEs aren't fun to get around and I don't like the puzzles for dealing with them. It makes exploring more tedious. Though I've only seen the Card Soldiers.
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Nov 28, 2014 07:46
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Dr Pepper posted:Is there any particular status effect that can help out with the first boss. Poison worked pretty well. When it stuck. Going to want to boost accuracy or drop their dodge to get it to hit. That and ma-skills helped a lot.
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Dr Pepper posted:Is there any particular status effect that can help out with the first boss. She's not immune to either Poison or Curse and both help a lot. Zen has an ability that applies Curse, Poison you should have a couple options for. Manatee Cannon posted:FOEs aren't fun to get around and I don't like the puzzles for dealing with them. It makes exploring more tedious. Though I've only seen the Card Soldiers. FOEs get way more interesting than the Card Soldiers. Hell, you don't even get introduced to aggressive FOEs until the 3rd labyrinth.
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Yeah, Curse seems like a surprisingly good status effect so far, thanks to damage and HP values being a lot less lopsided between PCs and monsters compared to the Etrian Odyssey series proper.
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That doesn't actually sound fun. It sounds annoying. I guess it's better than SMT4 Fiends or something.
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This entire game makes me want to try EO less and less.
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Beef Waifu posted:This entire game makes me want to try EO less and less. There's other reasons. Okay, imagine most of the female class characters looked like Nowi in varying levels of good armor. For example The other times it's pretty decent.
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Manatee Cannon posted:That doesn't actually sound fun. It sounds annoying. I guess it's better than SMT4 Fiends or something. this may not be the game for you. not even trying to be a dick, dodging foes is a big part of these games. like, in the second dungeon there are foes who only move when you make eye contact with them, and you need to figure out how to move groups of them in the right order to get past them.
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EO is relentlessly difficult to the point of being unfun, and the battle system always felt clunky and slow. Has that been improved in this one?
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The battle system is slow as poo poo even at fastest on battle animations.
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EO3 was probably the fastest the battle system has been. On the fastest settings you could blaze through turns within seconds if you held down A. This is much slower than any of the recent EO games.
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Zurai posted:Anyway, I just got the best thing from a quest reward: Also, are there any personas that give resist dark as their skill card? I keep losing 2+ party members to mamudoons, when everyone has dark pin  edit: Never mind, just ran into one on floor 4 of Evil Spirit Club. b0lt fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Nov 28, 2014 |
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Nov 28, 2014 09:08
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Is there a fusion chart for this one? I noticed a couple gaps in my compendium and am not sure how to fuse the Level 11 tower Persona, etc.
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Streaming the second dungeon with the best team--the one with both a robot and a dog. http://www.twitch.tv/roguelike
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Am I going to enjoy this game if I've been put off of the Etrian Odyssey games by their glacially slow pacing? I liked nearly everything about the games except how long it takes to progress.
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I kinda want to get this, but I only finished Persona 3. I did a few hours of 4, but now I don't have the means of playing it through anymore. I have read enough about the characters to know the gist of everyone's personality but I don't know much of anything about the plot or minor details. Will I be okay to play this, in contrast to something like Arena which is pretty much Persona 4.5?
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Maleficent posted:I kinda want to get this, but I only finished Persona 3. I did a few hours of 4, but now I don't have the means of playing it through anymore. I have read enough about the characters to know the gist of everyone's personality but I don't know much of anything about the plot or minor details. Will I be okay to play this, in contrast to something like Arena which is pretty much Persona 4.5? They make some very specific references to what happens in Persona 4, including Golden. It's not unplayable, but I don't think you'd enjoy as much if you aren't familiar with P4G.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Am I going to enjoy this game if I've been put off of the Etrian Odyssey games by their glacially slow pacing? I liked nearly everything about the games except how long it takes to progress. There's a chance but it's still pretty goddamn slow. Whenever you choose attack the characters pop up on screen and do a small animation to strike the enemy (or use a skill) and you are still slowly making your way around a labyrinth. The only difference it has the charm of a Persona game in it. BottledBodhisvata posted:EO is relentlessly difficult to the point of being unfun, and the battle system always felt clunky and slow. Has that been improved in this one? Not sure what you mean by clunky. It's a EO game in a Persona skin though so that should let you know all you need. It's seriously difficult and not for those who just want tactics to end at "fire is good on ice". ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Nov 28, 2014 |
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